Kelly the Dog Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Phew! For a couple days there I thought what had to happen wasn't going to happen. Now Castillo although I don't think that's a foregone conclusion. Depends on what new OC wants.
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, CuddyDark said: The hiring will say a lot about what they want to do with TT. If they hire Shula TT is staying. JMO. I think the hiring will sat a lot more about TT than the firing of Dennison
BringBackOrton Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Do you want to address the drop off, or just ignore it? They dropped off. We lost players. The OL played worse. We got a really bad OL coach. 47 minutes ago, PolishDave said: If you honestly try to measure the effectiveness of either the passing game or running game based solely on total yards you are doing it wrong. If you want an accurate picture, you have to account for number of attempts. Otherwise it is terribly misleading. I get you are doing that on purpose though. Because without doing that you would have to agree the rushing attack went from "the single best rushing attack of the modern era" to "just average. That is a major FUBAR by any reasonable standards. We were second in attempts in both 2015 and 2016. 46 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: He is comparing it to what they produced the year before and what their overall potential was to start the season. Not to the rest of the league. That wouldn’t give a fair assessment of his production with this unit. Overall potential? WTF. Again, ya'll act like a running game was going to be historic 3 years in a row, with RB turnover, aging, poorer OL play and changes in coaching and scheme. Talk about unrealistic expectations. Comparing the unit to every other run unit that year is basically the ONLY way to assess production. The 2015 offense and 2016 offense and 2017 offense WERE DIFFERENT. 45 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They averaged 4.1 YPC. They had pretty much the same group (adding Dimarco). They averaged 5.3 YPC last year (and more before week 17). Explain how he positively impacted that running game? Pretty much the same group, except for all the players who were different, older, and had new position coaches. Funny gif, but please tell me more about how 6th in the NFL is bad. Edited January 12, 2018 by jmc12290
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: HEY McD while your at it. SHOW JUAN CASTILLO the door Christmas just never stops around here!! It's been going on for 4 weeks now! Juan Castillo next please............... EDIT : If Juan Castillo goes I will continue to trust the process more Edited January 12, 2018 by Manther
hondo in seattle Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Per DVOA we went from 18th passing and 1st rushing to 28th passing and 19th rushing. Thanks for those stats. You can slice it or dice it a number of ways. It's hard though not to conclude that the offense regressed under Dennison.
xRUSHx Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Taylor is trying to beat Jay Cutler record of 5 OC's before he is released. If he stays another season with now OC#4 for him I lose all hope in this McD staff
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I don't think we have to worry at all about this. The new OC will bring his staff. Agreed!
hondo in seattle Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 51 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: It is very strange that they fired Dennison before Taylor. Why give another OC an option to keep Taylor. Why not? If Beane and McD are determined to get rid of Taylor, they will regardless of the OC. Personally, I'm not in favor of releasing/trading Taylor until we get someone better. Hopefully that happens soon. 1
xRUSHx Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not sure that it changes Tyrod’s fate. It’s all based on the timeline. The new OC will certainly have the option to keep him as the vet or not. I doubt that they will but chronologically it had to happen in this order. If they keep Tyrod I would expect the new OC to be next years scape goat as well
Magox Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Great news. 2 second half TDs since Week 11, he had to go. I think out of it all, that was the most damning result and what doomed him in more than anything.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Why not? If Beane and McD are determined to get rid of Taylor, they will regardless of the OC. Personally, I'm not in favor of releasing/trading Taylor until we get someone better. Hopefully that happens soon. It wouldn't happen now anyway with the Bills being eliminated from the playoffs that freezes their 2017 roster until the new league year begins.
BillsVet Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Granted we haven't had a lot of great OCs but let me ask, what did you like about Rico? Under Rico, the offense went backwards. 2016: #10 in points, #16 yards 2017: #22 in points, #29 in yards Same QB, same RB, mostly the same OL... The WRs were different but not especially better or worse. Dennison was fired because he didn't produce. At the same time, defenses figure out what a player does well and take that away. I don't think it's any coincidence that TT's YPA has declined from 8.0 in 2015 to 6.9 last year and then 6.7 this season. He's not getting as many chances to throw deep because defenses have taken that away. As for Shady, he had more than 2k touches entering this season. He's not the same player he was in say, 2009 or even 2013. Players get older. Defenses adapt. Dennison probably needed to go given his inflexibility, but the next OC needs to get some more talent. 43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not sure that it changes Tyrod’s fate. It’s all based on the timeline. The new OC will certainly have the option to keep him as the vet or not. I doubt that they will but chronologically it had to happen in this order. I believe McBeane will do everything in their power to improve the QB position this off-season. They know it's the principal thing holding them back on offense. Not saying TT is the only one at fault here, but he left a lot of throws on the field even with the poor WR group he had. 2
kevnallen Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: his year was ENTIRELY fireable. took the exact same personnel of top 10 scoring offense and it dropped into the basement. i'm so sick of coaches insisting on system over playing to strength of players. and i'm seriously doubting tyrod is back. so don't lump me into any group that is blaming dennison becuz I wanna see taylor back. it is, however, fairly easy to lump you into the group that will blame taylor for anything and everything as the rest of the offense and OC gets a pass. Actually, all of the WRs were new, and I would say not as good as the previous year’s. I agree that it was a fireable year. The HC can fire any staff member he thinks is underperforming. I think the HC has a better feeling for who should be accountable for the bad offense that any of us fans.
twoandfourteen Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Great news. 2 second half TDs since Week 11, he had to go. Yep. Totally unacceptable.
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Magox said: I think out of it all, that was the most damning result and what doomed him in more than anything. The most obvious thing to me was that Denison could script the offense ok for the first half but once the opponent made adjustments at halftime he could never recover. Sign of bad coordinator. 3
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Don Dunkirk called it. My source is never wrong. Now what haters.
Roundybout Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Chadwick Bay Chad said: Don Dunkirk called it. My source is never wrong. Now what haters. Who's our top choice?
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Chadwick Bay Chad said: Don Dunkirk called it. My source is never wrong. Now what haters. Is this a new and improved source? Did you fire your old source? That one was wrong many times. 1
prissythecat Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: Don Dunkirk called it. My source is never wrong. Now what haters. Lol. You haven’t hit on anything
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