hemma Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 Bit of a surprise, but CBS Sports has Mason Rudolph as the #1 QB and Jackson as #2. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/QB?:sort_col=4&:sort_dir=1 Maybe have not redone old rankings until after the Senior Bowl?
The_Dude Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Aaron Rodgers only red flag was playing for Tedford and Kyle Boller busted. He has similar size and arm talent. If Rudolph had that kind of arm with his size he would be the top qb. ‘Only?’ That only was the reason he slid.
Mat68 Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: ‘Only?’ That only was the reason he slid. It was but arm talent was not a question. Rudulph arm is being questioned.
The_Dude Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, Mat68 said: It was but arm talent was not a question. Rudulph arm is being questioned. I’ve read people questioning his arm and the only thing I take from that is that there are a lot of “scouts” writing generic reports and inserting his name. His arm is good.
Luka Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I think Darnold has the most potential to be a star. I feel he should have waited a year to come out but everything he does in college translates to the NFL. Plus he manipulates the pocket better than any QB coming out all while keeping his eyes downfield. His accuracy is phenomenal. But he does try to force a throw or two each game. Not a huge Rosen fan, but I can see why teams are intrigued by him. I just think for a guy that talented, he should have had a better college career. My 2nd choice is Baker Mayfield. I don’t tag people with “he’s a winner” but this kid obviously has a fire and from just watching the games, you can see how good he is. I always watch the games and draw from that. Measurables etc don’t usually factor in to my thinking. This is why Allen is a no go for me. Guy makes bad decisions and his accuracy is all over the place. 56% last year and 56.2% this year. Completion percentage doesn’t measure accuracy as we know, but it’s a better tell when it’s bad than when it’s good. Especially for a guy deemed as a top prospect. Watch the games. That’s where you’ll see who can play. Even if you're a casual and watch some of Allen's "all the throws" videos on Youtube you can see how awful he can be. One play he'll throw a laser 20 yards down field and then the next he's throwing 3 yards short into the dirt on an 8 yard dig. Mayfield is way too risky. He was already struggling against Georgia to stay in the pocket and make his reads. The guys only get bigger and faster at the NFL level and he'll end up like Tyrod, running from pressure and turning his back to the play except coverages don't breakdown in the NFL like they do in college. I'm going to have to go with Rudolph if he's available at 21. He's very much a Cousins type of QB. He's not flashy but he has the athleticism and arm strength to play at the next level. His knocks are more about where he plays than how he plays I think. There are really only two great QBs this year, the rest will be a crap shoot. If you get a good one out of the rest it will be more about luck than anything. And Darnold/Rosen will go 1 and 2 so here's hoping that whoever the Bills pick we finally get lucky.
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Woodman19 said: Quit being an attention whore. My story must be told
xRUSHx Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) #2 Mason Rudolph PositionHeight6'5"Weight230HometownRock Hill, SCHigh SchoolNorthwesternPrevious School 2015 Second Team Academic All-Big 12 2015 Offensive Team MVP 2016 Offensive Team MVP 2016 Davey O’Brien Award Semifinalist 2016 Johnny Unitas Award SemifinalistCareer Highs Completions - 34 vs. Kansas State, 10/3/15 Attempts - 55 vs. Kansas State, 10/3/15 Yards - 540 vs. Pittsburgh, 9/17/16 Passing TD - 5, twice, last at Kansas State, 11/5/16 Long Pass - 91 vs. Pittsburgh, 9/17/16 Has played at a level that matches some of Oklahoma State’s all-time best quarterbacks ... Tabbed as the No. 1 senior quarterback in the country by Mel Kiper and as the No. 19 player in college football heading into the 2017 season by Athlon Sports ... Has quarterbacked OSU to a 22-6 record as a starter and has led the Cowboys to eight victories in games in which they trailed during the second half ... Enters the 2017 season ranked in the top six among active FBS players in career passing yards (third), career passing yards per game (second), career passing yards per attempt (second), career pass efficiency (third) and career touchdown-to-interception ratio (sixth) ... Led all FBS quarterbacks returning in 2017 in both interception avoidance and touchdown-to-interception ratio in 2016 ... Already the owner of no fewer than 11 school records, he is in position to set OSU career records for pass attempts, pass completions, passing yards and passing touchdowns in the 2017 season and he also has a very real chance to finish his career as the most efficient passer in Oklahoma State history.2016 (Junior): A semifinalist for the Davey O’Brien Award and the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award ... On the watch list for the Maxwell, Manning and Lombardi awards and a nominee for the Wuerffel Trophy ... Honored as OSU’s offensive MVP by the coaches ... The only player in the country in 2016 who surpassed 4,000 passing yards while throwing less than five interceptions ... Also the only quarterback in the country who averaged more than 34 passing attempts per game while throwing less than five interceptions ... At one point of the season, he threw 164 consecutive passes without an interception and he finished the season with a second streak of 123 consecutive passes without being picked ... He’ll take that one into 2017 ... Ranked in the top 20 of several NCAA rankings, including passing yards (eighth with 4,091), passing yards per game (seventh with 314.7), passing yards per attempt (10th with 9.13), passing yards per completion (10th with 14.40), pass efficiency (10th at 158.9), total offense (12th with 319.4 yards per game), passing touchdowns (20th with 28) and completions per game (20th with 21.85) ... Surpassed 350 yards passing in five games and 300 yards passing in a half on two occasions ... 300 yards in a half had only been accomplished twice in Oklahoma State history prior to what Rudolph accomplished in 2016 ... Set a school record with 540 passing yards against Pitt that also represented the fifth-highest single-game figure in the nation this season ... His 20.77 yards per completion in the game also set a single-game school record (min. 20 completions) ... Set the tone by completing a 91-yard touchdown pass to James Washington on the first play of the Pitt game, which marked the second-longest pass completion in school history ... Ranked fourth nationally with 36 completions of at least 30 yards ... The only quarterback in the country with four completions of at least 80 yards ... More than half of his completions went for at least 10 yards ... Started every game ... His 4,091 passing yards ranked as the third-most in a season in school history, trailing only Brandon Weeden’s 2010 and 2011 seasons ... His 284 completions and 448 attempts both ranked second in school history and his 28 passing touchdowns ranked fourth ... In addition to the 540 yards vs. Pitt, his highest passing yardage games were 457 vs. Kansas State, 395 vs. Texas Tech, 392 vs. Texas and 351 vs. Iowa State ... According to ESPN’s QBR metric, he had five games with a QBR above 88.0, including a season-best 96.0 rating in the Alamo Bowl against a Colorado defense that entered the game ranked third in the nation in pass efficiency defense and 13th in the nation in pass defense ... Rudolph completed 22-of-32 passes for 314 yards with three touchdowns against zero interceptions in that game against a CU secondary that was hailed as the nation’s best during the regular season ... Other standout performances came against Texas and K-State ... Against the Longhorns, he completed 19-of-28 passes for 392 yards with three touchdowns against no interceptions for a passer rating of 220.81 and a QBR of 95.2 ... Against K-State, he completed 29-of-38 passes for 457 yards and five touchdowns for a passer rating of 210.23 and a QBR of 90.4 ... Threw four touchdown passes against Iowa State and three each against Texas, West Virginia and Colorado ... Also made an impact rushing the ball, ranking third on the team with six rushing touchdowns, including four in the last three regular season games ... When his sacks are removed from the equation, he rushed 52 times for 258 yards (4.96 yards per carry) ... A four-time honoree on the Davey O’Brien Award “Great Eight” and a five-time Manning Award Star of the Week ... Named the Big 12 Offensive Player of the Week for his performance against Texas Tech.2015 (Sophomore): A second-team Academic All-Big 12 honoree ... Honored by the coaches as the Bob Fenimore Award recipient, given to the team’s offensive MVP ... His 264 completions, 424 pass attempts, 3,770 passing yards 290.0 passing yards per game and 287.3 yards of total offense per game trail only Brandon Weeden in 2010 and 2011 on Oklahoma State’s single-season list ... Surpassed 300 yards passing six times and 400 yards three times ... According to ESPN Stats and Info, his 40 completions on passes thrown at least 20 yards down the field tied California’s Jared Goff for the national lead among Power Five conference quarterbacks ... He had 13 touchdowns against just two interceptions on such passes (+11), a differential that matched Clemson’s Deshaun Watson and Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield ... According to ESPN Stats and Info, he ranked seventh among qualified Power Five quarterbacks in average pass distance (10.9 yards past the line of scrimmage) ... Ranked in the top 10 nationally in completions of 30 yards or longer (28) and also completions of 40 yards or longer (16) ... The Big 12 leader with 14.28 yards per completion and ranked second in the league with 3,770 passing yards despite splitting quarterback reps with J.W. Walsh ... Earned several awards after he threw a career-best five touchdown passes against no interceptions in a win over No. 5 TCU, including the Walter Camp National Player of the Week, Big 12 Player of the Week, Davey O’Brien Award Performance of the Week, Manning Award Star of the Week and OSU’s offensive player of the game ... His passer rating in that game was 258.6, which set a single-game OSU record (min. 20 attempts) ... Five touchdown passes tied for fourth-most in a game in school history ... Had a career-high 437 passing yards vs. Kansas State, marking the most ever in a game for an OSU sophomore, the fourth-most passing yards in OSU history and the most for a Cowboy since 2011 ... His 55 pass attempts vs. Kansas State marked the fifth-most in a game in school history and his 34 completions in that game marked the sixth-most in a game ... Earned Big 12 Player of the Week, Manning Award Star of the Week and OSU’s offensive player of the week for his K-State performance ... He threw for 430 yards against Baylor, giving him two of the top seven passing performances in school history ... Completed an 82-yard pass for a touchdown to Marcell Ateman vs. the Horned Frogs, marking OSU’s longest play of the year and the seventh longest passing play in school history ... Started the first 11 games of the season before he missed all but three plays of the Bedlam regular season finale ... Returned to the starting lineup against Ole Miss in the Sugar Bowl.2014 (Freshman): Was ticketed for a redshirt until an injury to Daxx Garman thrust him into the starting lineup in week 11 at No. 6 Baylor and he responded by turning in the most passing yards ever for an Oklahoma State player in his first game (281) ... Etched his name into OSU Bedlam lore by quarterbacking the Cowboys to the second-largest fourth-quarter come-from-behind victory in school history as part of their 38-35 overtime win over the No. 18 Sooners in Norman ... Rudolph’s 273 passing yards against OU were the second-most ever for an OSU quarterback in a Bedlam Series game and his two touchdown passes that day tied for third-most ever for a Cowboy against the Sooners ... In the four games prior to Rudolph’s insertion into the lineup, OSU averaged 10.0 points and 286.5 yards of total offense per game, but with Rudolph at quarterback, the Cowboys averaged 32.0 points and 418.3 yards of total offense per game in the final three contests, all of which were away from home against quality opponents ... In his debut against Baylor, Rudolph thrived despite a number of factors that would typically hamper a quarterback’s performance - the game was played on the road in a driving rain storm and Rudolph played the majority of the contest with three freshmen and a sophomore on the offensive line facing a Baylor squad that entered the contest ranked 14th nationally in total defense ... Still, he completed 13-of-25 passes for 281 yards and two touchdowns against the Bears for the best debut for a Cowboy signal caller in school history ... On his 13 completions, Rudolph passed for more yards (281) than Baylor’s Heisman Trophy candidate Bryce Petty did on 18 completions (262) ... In the Cactus Bowl against Washington, he had his best outing of the year with 299 passing yards (the most ever for a Cowboy freshman in a bowl game) and two touchdowns.High School: Coached by Kyle Richardson at Northwestern High School ... Led Northwestern to a 62-35 victory over Stratford in the South Carolina Class 4A Division II Championship Game, completing 40-of-57 passes for 488 yards with eight touchdown passes and only one interception ... Finished his senior season with 350 completions on 482 attempts for a 72.6 completion percentage ... Totaled 4,377 passing yards with 64 touchdown passes and eight interceptions as a senior, also rushed for 543 yards on 129 carries with a 4.2 average and 16 touchdowns ... As a junior, threw for 3,990 yards, 41 touchdowns and seven interceptions while leading his team to a state runner-up finish...Threw for 10,986 yards in three seasons...Finalist for the “Mr. Football” award in South Carolina ... Named Most Valuable Player of the oldest high school all-star game in the nation, the Shrine Bowl of the Carolinas ... South Carolina Football Coaches Association first team Palmetto Champions all-state team, Charlotte Observer all-region offensive player of the year, first-team all-region, and top 50 Carolina regional recruits (#4 in South Carolina), Rock Hill Herald all-area offensive player of the year as both a junior and as a senior ... Charlotte Observer first-team all-region as a junior ... Held offers from LSU, Louisville, Mississippi, Virginia, North Carolina and Virginia Tech ... Also recruited by Alabama, Duke, Georgia, Notre Dame, Tennessee and Vanderbilt... Earned all-region honors in basketball as a junior.Personal: Mason Rudolph was born July 17, 1995 ... Son of Brett and Jamie Rudolph ... Mother ran track at Liberty University and dad played football for the University of North Carolina ... Marketing major. Okstate.com CAREER STATS SEASON CMP YDS 2017 318 4904 2016 284 4091 2015 264 3770 . Edited January 10, 2018 by xRUSHx
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: My story must be told Then go get a job at ESPN
Doc Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 Just to clarify, Rudolph had a 65% completion percentage this past season, and a 63.2% completion percentage for his career.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 Rudolph falling to us at #21 would be a miracle sent by the football gods. To get a qb of that potential and keep all of our draft picks... well, that could just turn this franchise right around.
Chicharito Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 After watching some highlight film of his he doesn't have a very good arm. He throws the ball hard on short throws but when it's a deep ball it's a rainbow. Reminds me of fitz! Guess we will find out if the professionals agree or not.
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, ddaryl said: Just found a few scouting reports on Mason Rudolph.. His biggest knock appears ot be his inability to read defenses quickly and locks on to 1st read often. Is that a problem?
PIZ Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, yungmack said: I wish we hadn't traded at all and had taken Mahomes ourself. Glad we don't have Mahomes. Seems like a punk and will end Reid's time at KC.
TigerJ Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 I've read all kinds of opinions on Rudolph. Someone is going be right and someone's going to be horribly wrong. Unless you believe Dunkirk Don, we really have no idea what the Bills think of him. In my experience of following mock drafts for years is that for some teams every year different prospects become fad picks at different times. It would not surprise me if a month from now we saw a flurry of mock drafts favoring another QB for Buffalo, or another player all together.
B-Man Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 Lets face it, they should bring in every QB, and at least get a read on them..........................College and FA .
Roundybout Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I've read all kinds of opinions on Rudolph. Someone is going be right and someone's going to be horribly wrong. Unless you believe Dunkirk Don, we really have no idea what the Bills think of him. In my experience of following mock drafts for years is that for some teams every year different prospects become fad picks at different times. It would not surprise me if a month from now we saw a flurry of mock drafts favoring another QB for Buffalo, or another player all together. All we know is that we've scouted him more than the other QBs. Of course since we have Chadwick Chad/Dunkirk Don for guidance we luckily have an inside track. 1
PIZ Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I've read all kinds of opinions on Rudolph. Someone is going be right and someone's going to be horribly wrong. Unless you believe Dunkirk Don, we really have no idea what the Bills think of him. In my experience of following mock drafts for years is that for some teams every year different prospects become fad picks at different times. It would not surprise me if a month from now we saw a flurry of mock drafts favoring another QB for Buffalo, or another player all together. Agreed. I can't remember anyone talking about the Bills liking Tra White before the draft.
Just Joshin' Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: And may we all hope Buffalo stays far away from him. Agree. Allen and Jackson would scare me in the first.
Rob's House Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 The guy makes some really nice throws, but I see a lot of sacks and INTs in his future.
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