Offensive Coordinator

[billieve420]

26 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

That's not the Jesus comparison I was going for.  My point was that I think it's silly to blame Dennison for a crap passing game when the passing game was crap for the 2 years Taylor was the QB under different coordinators.

 

Everyone wanted to let Tyrod run all season long.  He would have been out for the season before the bye.

 

It's not Dennison's fault that Tyrod Taylor sucks and that Tyrod Taylor was his only option.

 

The issue is the entire offense as a whole regressed this season compared to the previous 2 season before that. Despite Taylor's limitations we scored a bunch of points and had a good red zone offense. 

[Happy]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

No.  It's not.  The Bills did not lead the league in scoring last year.

 

No, they did not lead the league in scoring last season.  But were 16th ranked total offense according to ESPN.  This year they are 29th.

Tyrod is not a great QB, which we know, but Dennison stubbornly forced him into a west coast offense system developed by Mike Shanahan and similar to what John Elway ran in the late 1990s.  

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It can.  Any job other than HC is considered an Assistant Coach.  Position coach to coordinator absolutely can be blocked.  

 

Yeah i see that the rule hasnt been changed yet. Well absolutely Bills should still call for the interview and let Philly look like dicks with the block of playcalling duties two years in a row 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I did and I particularly liked the idea of the Bills taking a shot at him because I thought there was a chance he got to us which of course he did.  I think Rosen is the best QB in this class but he will not get to us, not a chance.  After that I don't actually have big gaps between Darnold, Mayfield and Rudolph.  I'd be content with any of those though the leraning curves for each are slightly different.  My full QB scouting reports will come later but I am in favour of a creative young OC.  

Thanks. I agree with what you are saying about  a creative, young OC. I felt that way last year and was in favor of hiring McVay. Also liked Watson, but I let myself get talked out of it by the talking heads. Not again. I have tried to watch all the QBs you mentioned and agree with Rosen being tops...but not getting him. I think we need to get a veteran QB and then draft someone like Rudolph perhaps.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yeah i see that the rule hasnt been changed yet. Well absolutely Bills should still call for the interview and let Philly look like dicks with the block of playcalling duties two years in a row 

 

I also didn't love his Cleveland offense when he was an OC though the talent was awful.  I'm not quite sure why he has got all the press and Frank Reich has been the forgotten man in Philly.  Maybe I am wrong but I'm just a tad wary of DeFilippo.  I'd be willing to take a shot as OC.  Now way I think he should be getting HC interviews quite yet.  

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I also didn't love his Cleveland offense when he was an OC though the talent was awful.  I'm not quite sure why he has got all the press and Frank Reich has been the forgotten man in Philly.  Maybe I am wrong but I'm just a tad wary of DeFilippo.  I'd be willing to take a shot as OC.  Now way I think he should be getting HC interviews quite yet.  

 

Carr and Wentz two Young QBs developed under his watch. Yep make the call and let Philly block you

[Ittakestime]

For the crowd that says Dennison won't be fired, you must remember that Dennison was not the first choice of this coaching staff.  There is no doubt they settled and the results were horrible.  We were setting records with how few points we were scoring in games.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

34 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I agree re: Woods.

 

But to say "WR was less talented," is an understatement.

 

I'll put it this way, if we had a legitimate QB/OC combination, then I think last year's statistics could have been matched if not surpassed.

 

Plus, Benjamin, Matthews, Thompson, and Holmes were not available for significant portions of the year.

 

Give a franchise QB Benjamin/Matthews/Jones/Thompson/Holmes as WR1-5 and they'll regularly carve defenses up. 

[Happy]

9 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

For the crowd that says Dennison won't be fired, you must remember that Dennison was not the first choice of this coaching staff.  There is no doubt they settled and the results were horrible.  We were setting records with how few points we were scoring in games.

 

Yep.  I can't imagine McDermott being happy with the offense given how the defense kept them in most of the games lost this season.  He's probably aware that this team could have been much better with an at least average offense.  This has to weigh on his post season evaluations.

[KingRex]

5 hours ago, klos63 said:

Agree or disagree with the play call- the issue is execution.  We are often hit for a loss on running plays,  but the pass was poorly thrown and benjamin, with his height advantage didn't need to push off. We had the matchup we wanted, just poorly executed all around.

Yes, this fact reflects badly on Tyrod and is yet another case that shows he is not gonna be the man capable of winning (or simply even getting a berth) the SB.

 

However, he mistake made by some us armchair analysts would be to somehow also concludethis lays the blame on TT and exonerates Denison (or even McDermott).

 

On the contrary, the failed play is a clear indictment of Denison for calling an RPO that gave the flawed TT the option to throw a pass he had failed to complete for  a TD many times before.

 

The bad results of the play are factually an indictment of Tyrod that he is not a good enough player to take the Bills deep in the playoffs AND it also is an indictment of Denison that our OC is not the man to take us deep in the playoffs if he could not see what is obvious to many (such as you I believe) and RD made a badly flawed decision to call a play which relied on Tyrod to take and perform the right option.

 

Add to that RD (and McD) have as one of their prime responsibilities to develop young QBs and they appear to have totally mismanaged the proper development of NP (they threw this potentially very good pro to the wolves by making trhe unprecedented decision to make a consensus NFL rated 5th round picked rookie the man given the reins.

 

It is not unreasonable at all if McD demonstrated the importance of accountability in "the process" by showing both TT and RD the door. 

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, KingRex said:

Yes, this fact reflects badly on Tyrod and is yet another case that shows he is not gonna be the man capable of winning (or simply even getting a berth) the SB.

 

However, he mistake made by some us armchair analysts would be to somehow also concludethis lays the blame on TT and exonerates Denison (or even McDermott).

 

On the contrary, the failed play is a clear indictment of Denison for calling an RPO that gave the flawed TT the option to throw a pass he had failed to complete for  a TD many times before.

 

The bad results of the play are factually an indictment of Tyrod that he is not a good enough player to take the Bills deep in the playoffs AND it also is an indictment of Denison that our OC is not the man to take us deep in the playoffs if he could not see what is obvious to many (such as you I believe) and RD made a badly flawed decision to call a play which relied on Tyrod to take and perform the right option.

 

Add to that RD (and McD) have as one of their prime responsibilities to develop young QBs and they appear to have totally mismanaged the proper development of NP (they threw this potentially very good pro to the wolves by making trhe unprecedented decision to make a consensus NFL rated 5th round picked rookie the man given the reins.

 

It is not unreasonable at all if McD demonstrated the importance of accountability in "the process" by showing both TT and RD the door. 

I'm not a fan of Dennison's playcalling or play designs this season and there are plenty of reasons to criticize him, however I don't think this is one of those. We had the matchup we wanted, a huge physical advantage for Benjamin, it was poorly executed by both Taylor and Benjamin. On a run play , Dareus could have easily blown past Wood(again) for a loss in the backfield. It's all about execution.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I'm not a fan of Dennison's playcalling or play designs this season and there are plenty of reasons to criticize him, however I don't think this is one of those. We had the matchup we wanted, a huge physical advantage for Benjamin, it was poorly executed by both Taylor and Benjamin. On a run play , Dareus could have easily blown past Wood(again) for a loss in the backfield. It's all about execution.

 

I get the idea, but I don't think any OC calls a play based on what Dareus might or might not be able to do. 

[klos63]

13 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I get the idea, but I don't think any OC calls a play based on what Dareus might or might not be able to do. 

I just used Dareus as an example because earlier(later?) in the game, he blasted past Wood to get McCoy for a loss. And we often get tackled for losses in what seem to be obvious run formations.  And Dareus had a strong game.

Edited January 8, 2018 by klos63

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I just used Dareus as an example because earlier(later?) in the game, he blasted past Wood to get McCoy for a loss. And we often get tackled for losses in what seem to be obvious run formations.  And Dareus had a strong game.

 

I get you, and what I am about to say might be refuted by the RPO play-call, but I just feel anyone who saw Marshawn Lynch not get the ball at the goal line in the Super Bowl would have thought, "Hmmm, I think I should give the ball to my top 5 NFL HB." Or heck, even Tolbert, who has shown he can rumble ahead for 1-2 yards pretty consistently. But really, feed Shady there. 

[klos63]

Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I get you, and what I am about to say might be refuted by the RPO play-call, but I just feel anyone who saw Marshawn Lynch not get the ball at the goal line in the Super Bowl would have thought, "Hmmm, I think I should give the ball to my top 5 NFL HB." Or heck, even Tolbert, who has shown he can rumble ahead for 1-2 yards pretty consistently. But really, feed Shady there. 

I would have run the ball.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

If it makes you feel better, their offense struggled almost as mightily as ours.

 

Similar QBs

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

What about Rob Chudzinski

 

After looking at him he has an impressive resume of improving offenses , seems like he would be a great hire.

 

 

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Sean Ryan please.

 

Why do you like him?

 

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I'll put it this way, if we had a legitimate QB/OC combination, then I think last year's statistics could have been matched if not surpassed.

 

Plus, Benjamin, Matthews, Thompson, and Holmes were not available for significant portions of the year.

 

Give a franchise QB Benjamin/Matthews/Jones/Thompson/Holmes as WR1-5 and they'll regularly carve defenses up. 

 

I totally agree with this.

 

My point is that Tyrod has had above average receivers (plural) for all three years he's been !@#$ing us ... I mean, starting.

 

Week after week, we have seen All 22s that show open receivers who didn't get targeted.  The gameplan and the playcalls are not the problem.  The QB is.

 

I'm not sitting here saying the Bills NEED to retain Dennison.  Frankly, I couldn't give two *****.  I just don't think he's responsible for the putrid passing game and I don't think he's done anything that would warrant him getting fired.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

For the crowd that says Dennison won't be fired, you must remember that Dennison was not the first choice of this coaching staff.  There is no doubt they settled and the results were horrible.  We were setting records with how few points we were scoring in games.

 

And McD said after the game that we would like some calls back. 

 

For him to publicly call out playcalling is a big deal with McDermott as he is loath to say anything of merit to the media.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

I think that Taylor is *definitely* gone, and I think Dennison is *probably* gone. Re the latter, I think it's more like 60-40 that he goes, so I wouldn't be shocked to see him back either.