ddaryl Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Allen IMO is EJ Manual he just has not been consistently accurate.. YOU CAN NOT TEACH ACCURACY.. You have it or you don't. I wouldn't touch a QB in the draft that didn't maintain an over 60% comp % regardless of arm strength and athletic ability IMO.. Sure as hell not a 1st rd draft and DEFINITELY not trading hte farm regarless of combine numbers which IMO is nothng more than fools gold.. Game tape tells the tale. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Edited January 9, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Rumor is that Cleveland is high on Allen. What should the Bills trade if Rosen or Darnold are sitting there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Don't know if this staff buys into the Parcells rules, but Rudolph checks all of his boxes even if some find him uninspiring. Based on McD’s last draft, i would say it’s a good bet that they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I want nothing to do with Allen. I’d rather watch Rosie O’Donnell bathe. I agree with the Allen assessment, but I'm on the fence when facing this choice 8 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: Rumor is that Cleveland is high on Allen. What should the Bills trade if Rosen or Darnold are sitting there? If Rosen slips then you have the potential of Bills blockbuster trade upwards.. Cleveland doens't have a great reputation but they can't be this stupid...or can they ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I agree with the Allen assessment, but I'm on the fence when facing this choice If Rosen slips then you have the potential of Bills blockbuster trade upwards.. Cleveland doens't have a great reputation but they can't be this stupid...or can they ???? Cleveland? Stupid? Um, yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 18 hours ago, starrymessenger said: His stat sheet is lousy no doubt. Some folks who have followed him and seen all of his games say it would be a mistake to think that he is truly a sub 60% passer. Poor supporting cast and he's the farthest thing from a check down artist. He's a deep ball thrower. No clutch of cheap and easy receptions in that 56%. His physical attributes for playing the position are nothing short of phenomenal. He will wow them at the combine & senior bowl. He will be no less than the third QB off the board. I'm not spending a 1st round QB on a guy with a college completion percentage in the mid 50s when there is ZERO history of success with players with similar stats. 18 hours ago, horned dogs said: When you see a guy who ranked 7TH in the MWC in passing....you just gotta pull the trigger! I don't get it. Might as well resign EJ Manuel while we're at it. Physically they're the same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby77 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 21 hours ago, the skycap said: People are sleeping on this guy's talent/resolve!! Correct his footwork like GB did with Aaron Rodgers. There are already rumors that NFL teams are going to ask him to try out at receiver when he does team visits. Tyrod 2.0 in my opinion, with better college stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 What a way to set up back. I hope they ain't that dumb. Destroy two drafts for one player is bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Perry Turtle said: Rumor is that Cleveland is high on Allen. What should the Bills trade if Rosen or Darnold are sitting there? I would give #21, #22, 2019 1st for Rosen or Darnold without blinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 QBs have their draft stock fall through the season and rise as we get closer to the draft. I can only think of one QB who was talked about as a first round pick in January and then fell out of the first round (Claussen). At least 5 QBs will be off the board by the 21st pick. Rosen and Darnold are talked about as top guys, Allen will be seen by someone as Wentz 2.0 and Jackson will be seen by someone as Watson 2.0 and Mayfield will blow someone away with his hard work and production. So there is no way any of them are available at 21 unless some big shakeup happens with one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 2018-01-08 at 2:04 PM, Binghamton Beast said: The Bills gave up two firsts, a second, third and Greg Bell once upon a time for an OLB. Sure, different times but is there anyone on this board who wouldn’t like to have gone back in time and meet Houston's demands so we could have drafted Roethlisberger? Heck, Donahoe may still be our GM if he did. The key is making the correct evaluation on the player. Agreed it is important to grade the player correctly. I also think it is very important to grade players consistently over the years. Evaluating them on a system that compares players on the same scale over time. Any how players grade out at their position over time. Also, you need to compare your pre draft rankings with how they actually panned our and continue to evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 6:40 AM, njbuff said: The Bills need a big strong young QB that they can develop and be the starter for 15 years. Now what I am about to say may or may not work out for the Bills in my scenario, but it's something I can see happening a mile away. Here we go.......... (....) i predict the Bills trade 21 and 22 to the Colts along with 2019's 1st and 2nd round picks and it might take another high pick, for Allen (or one of the other fall if the Giants or Browns love Allen). It's a lot to give up, but the Bills need to do it for a major QB prospect. Need to go bold to get gold. What do you think? So you may recall the Redskins gave up 3 1sts and a 2nd for RGIII, who looked worth it his rookie season then fell off the face of the earth. I would be much happier if the Bills backed up a Brinks truck for the Redskins 4th rounder that draft, who's been starting for them the last 3 1/2 years. I could be wrong because I don't follow college football that closely, but from what I know there isn't 1 QB in this draft who is regarded as the equivalent of Andrew Luck, a complete prospect sure-thing. And there's usually 1 good franchise QB per draft. I guess 2016 got everyone excited because Goff and Wentz are both looking good. The previous time QB went 1-2 was 2015, and it was: Winston Mariota Would you be happy giving up 3 1sts and a 2nd for one of them? Which? How about 2014 (Blake Bortles)? Just because draft pundits are all excited about 3-4 QB doesn't mean there are 2 or 3 QB worth giving up that much in a draft. IMHO the Bills put too much emphasis on big and strong. You could see it in the QB we went after - Manuel, Cardale Jones, etc. Sure other things equal bigger is great, but other things are often not equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 hours ago, ddaryl said: Allen IMO is EJ Manual he just has not been consistently accurate.. YOU CAN NOT TEACH ACCURACY.. You have it or you don't. I wouldn't touch a QB in the draft that didn't maintain an over 60% comp % regardless of arm strength and athletic ability IMO.. Sure as hell not a 1st rd draft and DEFINITELY not trading hte farm regarless of combine numbers which IMO is nothng more than fools gold.. Game tape tells the tale. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Oh, Geesh, if this is what the guy's stats are NFW I want to see us give up 3 1sts and a 2nd, regardless of how great he looks in his Jammies. This is a guy who may pan out or who may not. 7 hours ago, Batman1876 said: QBs have their draft stock fall through the season and rise as we get closer to the draft. I can only think of one QB who was talked about as a first round pick in January and then fell out of the first round (Claussen). At least 5 QBs will be off the board by the 21st pick. Rosen and Darnold are talked about as top guys, Allen will be seen by someone as Wentz 2.0 and Jackson will be seen by someone as Watson 2.0 and Mayfield will blow someone away with his hard work and production. So there is no way any of them are available at 21 unless some big shakeup happens with one of them. You might be right, but that would be very very unusual. It has not happened in the last 10 years, certainly, despite the massive "hype" machine that young QBs' agents rev up. I don't follow it enough, but I'd be very surprised if Claussen were the only QB talked of as a 1st round pick in Jan who fell. Wasn't Geno Smith hyped up as a 1st rounder? Ryan Mallet? Colt McCoy? Then there are QB talked about as 1st round picks, and drafted in the first, but who really shouldn't have been. There has only been 1 draft in the last 10 years in which 4 QB went prior to pick 21. That was 2011 and the QB were Newton, Locker, Gabbert and Ponder. As you might gather from that list, it would be even rarer for all 4 of those QB to develop into a quality player. 2016 is unusual in that both the top guys (Goff, Wentz) look good so far. On 1/8/2018 at 6:47 PM, Jay_Fixit said: I want nothing to do with Allen. I’d rather watch Rosie O’Donnell bathe. Your kink is OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, Geesh, if this is what the guy's stats are NFW I want to see us give up 3 1sts and a 2nd, regardless of how great he looks in his Jammies. This is a guy who may pan out or who may not. You might be right, but that would be very very unusual. It has not happened in the last 10 years, certainly, despite the massive "hype" machine that young QBs' agents rev up. I don't follow it enough, but I'd be very surprised if Claussen were the only QB talked of as a 1st round pick in Jan who fell. Wasn't Geno Smith hyped up as a 1st rounder? Ryan Mallet? Colt McCoy? Then there are QB talked about as 1st round picks, and drafted in the first, but who really shouldn't have been. There has only been 1 draft in the last 10 years in which 4 QB went prior to pick 21. That was 2011 and the QB were Newton, Locker, Gabbert and Ponder. As you might gather from that list, it would be even rarer for all 4 of those QB to develop into a quality player. 2016 is unusual in that both the top guys (Goff, Wentz) look good so far. Your kink is OK? I forgot Mallet, Geno was talked about as first round but always in the context of not being worth it but some team will reach so I know it’s splitting hairs. I can’t recall the last time this many QBs were in the conversation as first rou d picks at this point in the process. 1983 had 5 taken 3 were HOF, 1999 had 5, two were good starters (until Culpeper got hurt and was never the same) , 2004 had 4 taken, 3 were great and 2011 had 4 taken one was great. That points to 50/50 odds meaning if 5 or 6 are taken odds would favor 2 or 3 being good. Given the needy teams and the number of successful options in this draft a bunch will be taken early, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 8:11 AM, YoloinOhio said: Why? The defenses or lack there of they play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 23 hours ago, Perry Turtle said: Rumor is that Cleveland is high on Allen. What should the Bills trade if Rosen or Darnold are sitting there? Allen could be taken #1 overall. Personally if his head is right I would take Rosen ahead of him but I see Allen and Darnold as equivalent value with a similar risk reward profile. My guess is that Allen winds up in Arizona or Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Allen going #1 overall would be the worst #1 overall pick of my lifetime. Would be right up there with the Raiders taking Jamarcus Russell #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Allen going #1 overall would be the worst #1 overall pick of my lifetime. Would be right up there with the Raiders taking Jamarcus Russell #1 overall. Allen may or may not succeed. That comes with the turf. But to compare him with Jamarcus is flat out ridiculous. JR was a great athlete who completely lacked the intangibles, the work ethic and the desire to be great. If you had taken the time to acquaint yourself with Allen you would know that his intangibles, work ethic and desire to be great are top shelf (even if he is also a great athlete lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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