wppete Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 That is way too expensive of a trade up. I would wait and Draft Mason Rudolph with pick #21. Build around him and build a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, wppete said: That is way too expensive of a trade up. I would wait and Draft Mason Rudolph with pick #21. Build around him and build a defense. Is LA or Philly caring about what they gave up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I'd only trade up for Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen. I've watched a bunch of Allen games and he did not look good. He has ALL the talent in the world but I'm not trading up for potential. I really think he is a third rounder but as we know QBs go early. if the big 3 are gone I would take him with our first but somehow I'm hoping we get Mayfield. Ok so you have probably seen more than me. I've seen the 2017 bowl game (can't bring myself to say "potato bowl"), the highlight reels and tape of his Iowa game. I watched Iowa because of the step up in competition and because he was said to have performed poorly. Though he lost, I thought he did some good things. His team was not very good. When you say "big three" I assume you realize that Mayfield is not very big. Do you really think that Beane is going to draft a signal caller who is probably less than 5'11"? That ain't like Cam or any of the other QBs on Carolina's roster. And hasn't Beane in the past expressed his preference for big pocket passers as a QB type? According to the pundits and wise heads I've seen , the "big three" are Darnold, Rosen and Allen, not Mayfield. Does anyone with any cred grade Mayfield ahead of Allen? I understand that you draft Allen (if at all) based on how you think he projects, in other words on the basis of potential. But to me the same has to be said about Darnold. His throwing motion is awful, his throwing mechanics are bad and his footwork leaves much to be desired. He's a top prospect because of the things that he does well and the hope that he can improve on the things he doesn't. The only guy who gets drafted on the basis of what he is and what he can do now is Rosen IMO. Your view that Allen is really a third round pick (who we all know will go higher) is shared by others. He's the most polarizing pick (except maybe for your guy) in the draft. Since you've seen more of him than I have, what is it that prevents him from being better? What is he bad at? Where are the principal risks with him? Edited January 8, 2018 by starrymessenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: Ok so you have probably seen more than me. I've seen the 2017 bowl game (can't bring myself to say "potato bowl"), the highlight reels and tape of his Iowa game. I watched Iowa because of the step up in competition and because he was said to performed poorly. Though he lost, I thought he did some good things. His team was not very good. When you say "big three" I assume you realize that Mayfield is not very big. Do you really believe that Beane is going to draft a signal caller who is probably less than 5'11"? That ain't like Cam or any of the other QBs on Carolina's roster. And hasn't he in the past expressed his preference for big pocket passers as a QB type? According to the pundits and wise heads I've seen , the "big three" are Darnold, Rosen and Allen, not Mayfield. Does anyone with any cred grade Mayfield ahead of Allen? I understand that you draft Allen (if at all) based on how you think he projects, in other words on the basis of potential. But to me the same has to be said about Darnold. His throwing motion is awful, his throwing mechanics are and his footwork leaves much to be desired. He's a top prospect because of the things that he does well and the hope that he can improve on the things he doesn't. The only guy who gets drafted on the basis of what he is and what he can do now is Rosen IMO. Your view that Allen is really a third round pick (who we all know will go higher) is shared by others. He's the most polarizing pick (except maybe for your guy) in the draft. Since you've seen more of him than I have, what is it that prevents him from being better? What is he bad at? Where are the principal risks with him? Lol, yes I realize Baker is short. Big 3 means top 3. Cam sux, hope we don't draft anyone like him. Allen also sux. I would rate him above Allen, and have seen others also and he is usually in the to 4 with Rudolph as the fourth. Darnold was amazing last year and and team's are hoping they get that Darnold and not this years (not that he was horrible just not as good as last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I don't like the deal outlined in the OP. However, I would bet a decent amount of money that we are going to draft a QB and I dot mean a 5th round project type. We are going to single out "our guy" and do what it takes to get him, keeping in mind that we will NOT have the pick of the litter. So "our guy" won't mean who we think is best in the draft; it will mean who we think is best in draft THAT THE BILLS CAN GET. Certain guys are going to flat out be unavailable and unobtainable. But there is a middle ground there we can still get a top name at a slightly lower spot by trading up to get him. I don't know how it will play out or exactly how the contenders will be ranked when the time comes, but the guy I continue to love is Mason Rudolph from Oklahoma State. 5 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: If all these QB’s are going to go ahead of the Bills, then let them. If teams are going to start reaching for QB’s, then I hope the Bills are not one of them. Stay put and grab a QB if one gets to us, if not, then some damn good players will fall to us at other needs. Every year there’s always a player or two where we are like “OMG I can’t believe he’s still there!” Only for the Bills to pass on him and then he falls even further than expected. I think this year it’ll be a couple QB’s. Don’t be surprised if Rosen and Darnold are the only QB’s selected before the Bills are on the clock. No way that happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Lol, yes I realize Baker is short. Big 3 means top 3. Cam sux, hope we don't draft anyone like him. Allen also sux. I would rate him above Allen, and have seen others also and he is usually in the to 4 with Rudolph as the fourth. Darnold was amazing last year and and team's are hoping they get that Darnold and not this years (not that he was horrible just not as good as last season). Well if nothing else it's going to be a fascinating off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 50 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Only two QBs i trade up for. Rosen and Darnold Fringe a third right now Mayfield Allen will be and should be one of the top 4 QBs picked. (And likey has the Highest ceiling out of the bunch) Darnold's stock has dropped this season as the expected progress just wasn't there. He'll still go super high though. 2 hours ago, 2003Contenders said: If the team's scouts and front office truly believe that there is a "can't miss" QB in this draft, they you give up what is necessary to get him. That said, I absolutely do not want them taking a QB in the first round (trading up or otherwise) just for the sake of taking a QB. That is what they did the last two times that they drafted one in the first round (Losman and EJ). Yes but this year is not going to be like Losman or EJ. EJ's QB draft class, in particular, was terrible and everyone knew it and said it. This year is not norma; there are a bunch of guys that look like they are going to be good NFL QBs. You never know for sure, of course, but you can't compare moving up in THIS draft to taking freaking EJ Manuel, who never, ever, at any point in his collegiate career, looked like he might be a good NFL QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: If we pick Allen in the 1st I will bang my head hard against the nearest wall.... if we trade up for him it will be the biggest mistake this franchise has made in a generation. Tom Donahoe hiring Gregg Williams extracted the identity of the team and halted about 14 years of organizational momentum. Hiring Dick Jauron took that to another level creating the "not really in the NFL" perception that has persisted until about a week ago. It would take A LOT more than blowing a couple years worth of high picks to top those dandy decisions. You'd have expected that after missing the playoffs for 17 years they would have made it by sheer force of talent..........just an overwhelming amount of high picks from years of losing..........and yet the only one of their first rounders they had on the field was the one from THIS year 3D White. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Tom Donahoe hiring Gregg Williams extracted the identity of the team and halted about 14 years of organizational momentum. Hiring Dick Jauron took that to another level creating the "not really in the NFL" perception that has persisted until about a week ago. It would take A LOT more than blowing a couple years worth of high picks to top those dandy decisions. You'd have expected that after missing the playoffs for 17 years they would have made it by sheer force of talent..........just an overwhelming amount of high picks from years of losing..........and yet the only one of their first rounders they had on the field was the one from THIS year 3D White. Shaq would've been there on the bench if he didn't get hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1/2 Darnold/Rosen to the Browns and Giants 3 Barkley to Indianapolis 4 Trade time. Jets #6, Dolphins #11, Redskins #13, and Cardinals #15 get into a bidding contest to jump ahead of Denver for Baker Mayfield 5 Denver settles for their #4 QB on the board Do you really want to trade away our bonanza of picks for the 5th best QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Plays Nobody is one big issue same as Mayfield actually Should be very very cautious looking at Big 12 QBs I don’t get this... which QBs meet the criteria of “plays somebody”? It’s about nfl traits. Carson Wentz played at N Dakota St. I don’t think who you play is a major factor either way. And it’s not about stats either. Imo. Edited January 9, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 30 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Well if nothing else it's going to be a fascinating off season. That is for sure, I just pray we get a QB who turns out to be elite (or least pretty good) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t necessarily agree with that. I think the reason they didn’t take one early last year was because the FO was getting fired the Monday after the draft, and replaced with the FO they wanted to have choose the QB of the future. They didn’t want the new QB linked to Whaley and they didn’t trust his team’s evaluations because it was not per McD’s process. They now have a year of QB evaluation from Team McBeane and that is who they will draft. Imo. also i do believe the reason they wanted the extra 1st was to move up for that QB if needed. I think this is absolutely the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, /dev/null said: 1/2 Darnold/Rosen to the Browns and Giants 3 Barkley to Indianapolis 4 Trade time. Jets #6, Dolphins #11, Redskins #13, and Cardinals #15 get into a bidding contest to jump ahead of Denver for Baker Mayfield 5 Denver settles for their #4 QB on the board Do you really want to trade away our bonanza of picks for the 5th best QB? Ugh! Really hate that Mayfield is seen going so high. I really Want him here and don't want to trade up to do it. I'm hoping all the other QBs go ahead of him we get him at 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I want nothing to do with Allen. I’d rather watch Rosie O’Donnell bathe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay_Fixit said: I want nothing to do with Allen. I’d rather watch Rosie O’Donnell bathe. Maybe we can draft Cody O'Connell instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t get this... which QBs meet the criteria of “plays somebody”? It’s about nfl traits. Carson Wentz played at N Dakota St. I don’t think who you play is a major factor either way. And it’s not about stats either. Imo. Telling you scouts downgrade Big 12 QBs and rightfully should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 17 hours ago, GunnerBill said: If we pick Allen in the 1st I will bang my head hard against the nearest wall.... if we trade up for him it will be the biggest mistake this franchise has made in a generation. I don't want any part of drafting a QB high that has accuracy issues. accuracy is one of the main requirements for the job. Don't We have 3 inaccurate QBs on staff now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 9 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Telling you scouts downgrade Big 12 QBs and rightfully should Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Don't know if this staff buys into the Parcells rules, but Rudolph checks all of his boxes even if some find him uninspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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