smuvtalker Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I think there are several factors here once you get passed Darnold and Rosen as I strongly believe 3 QB's will be drafted in the top 10. Baker still elicits concerns over off field or attitude issues (although personally I love the killer mentality on the field and I am not personally worried about his off field stuff). Baker still elicits concerns over his height, although it doesn't bother me too much. He is 2 inches taller than Russell Wilson, an inch taller than Brees and only 1 inch shorter than Aaron Rodgers. All 3 are among NFL Elite, and he is bigger than 2 of em and slightly shorter than 1. There are QB's who can move up the draft board EASILY with strong combines and workouts. The two that come to mind are Allen and Jackson. In fact, if Jackson has a strong off season, he very well could go top 10 himself, especially after Watson had such a strong showing early which I think helps Jacksons cause a lot...assuming he throws well at the combine and in workouts. Mason could also make a case, but he is an extreme long shot to leap frog into the 3rd QB taken IMO. So, I think if we all want Baker, the guys we NEED to cheer for are Allen and Jackson to show big before the draft. If they do, We might get Baker with our pick at 21, although I am HIGHLY skeptical he falls that far. So I am thinking its quite plausible to grab him in the 12-15 range in a trade up unless the other 2 fail to impress as much as Baker this offseason. The one wild card though is after Bakers year and playoff game, its also not out of the question for him to leap frog above the 3rd QB spot too. Although I think teams are too in love with size and raw potential of Darnold and Rosen for that to happen, but its still a possibility. Long time before the draft, and the QB rankings will be an interesting plot to watch. Excellent point regarding Allen and Jackson. You know every year some team panics and takes a QB earlier then they should, and then it starts a rash of QBs getting picked. My biggest fear is that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2, and then it opens the floodgates and Mayfield goes top 5, which I fear would be too rich a spot for the Bills to move up, considering how many other holes we have to fill. I'll be rooting for Allen and Jackson to absolutely light it up at the combine and/or their pro-day workouts. Let's get Mayfield!! 1
peterpan Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) I don't think you have to worry about Mayfield going very high. He is not a first round talent. Allen will likely go to the Jets, if not Denver. I just don't see these QBs getting past all those QB needy teams. Rudolph will shoot up I bet, and end up in the first round. Jackson has serious physical talent, but mentally he isn't there. Can he get there is the question??? Historically, that's going against the odds Darnold is over rated and Rosen the rumor is he doesn't love Football. I'm hoping those two guys go early and we can trade up for someone else. Edited January 7, 2018 by peterpan
Will-GM-for-food Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 Browns (1), Giants (2), Broncos (5) , Jets (6), Redskins (13) , Cardinals (15) should, and mostly will, be looking at QB. I would consider moving up for the Brown's 2nd pick at #4. If they take a QB with #1 it might lower the cost just enough.
gonzo1105 Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, peterpan said: I don't think you have to worry about Mayfield going very high. He is not a first round talent. Allen will likely go to the Jets, if not Denver. I just don't see these QBs getting past all those QB needy teams. Rudolph will shoot up I bet, and end up in the first round. Jackson has serious physical talent, but mentally he isn't there. Can he get there is the question??? Historically, that's going against the odds Darnold is over rated and Rosen the rumor is he doesn't love Football. I'm hoping those two guys go early and we can trade up for someone else. I actually think that Denver is going to go the veteran route. I think they will be the team that gets Kirk Cousins/Alex Smith imo. Elway knows the value of the QB position and I think he knows his team is a QB away from another deep playoff run
MiltonWaddams Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 21 Vita Vea 22 Mason Rudolph 2a Orlando Brown OT 2b Ronald Jones II RB 2
JaCrispy Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: #21 Ben Dover #22 Jack Mehoff What about Cranges McBasketball? He’s had some flashes. 1
OldTimer1960 Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Can't say yet for sure until the pro days are over, but I say one defensive player (Smith) and a QB (Rudolph or Mayfield) Mayfield *might* be available, but Mayfield is very unlikely to be there.
JaCrispy Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, MiltonWaddams said: 21 Vita Vea 22 Mason Rudolph 2a Orlando Brown OT 2b Ronald Jones II RB Haven’t seen Vita play but I’ve heard his name mentioned...is the guy a pass rushing DT or run stopper?
sullim4 Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Assuming they have a legitimate shot at Cousins, they will draft DL help to replace Kyle and Dareus. I'd like to see them go LB with the second pick but I suspect they will spend it on offense, either a WR or a lineman. Otherwise, I think they pick "their guy" and trade up. I can't see them going into next season with a journeyman quarterback and a middle-round rookie QB. Edited January 7, 2018 by sullim4
MiltonWaddams Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Haven’t seen Vita play but I’ve heard his name mentioned...is the guy a pass rushing DT or run stopper? Honest assessment-both. He has a sizeable number of TFL's and Sacks, but is a beast against the run. It was fun to watch his three year improvement. Might be biased, but I'd love to continue to cheer for him in Buffalo.
Will-GM-for-food Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 Ran a Fanspeak mock: 21) Mike McGlinchey OT - not sure if he would ever fall this far but great value 22) Josh Allen QB 2a) Courtland Sutton WR 2b) Billy Price OG 3) Dre'Mont Jones DL
BuffaloBill Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: I'd take Mason Rudolph with the 1st pick, with the other 1st I'd trade down and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd, then I'd send Kansas City one of our 2nds for Alex Smith that's contingent on a contract extension being signed, something like 4 years 72 million for Smith, sit Rudolph on the bench until Smith retires. 1.) Mason Rudolph 1.) Trade 2.) To KC for Alex Smith 2.) Extra pick 2.) Extra pick 3.) Extra pick 3.) Extra pick I don’t know about Rudolph but I would be very happy with this concept (i..e. A QB of the future), A Qb that can run the current system for a year or two and then plug other gaps. 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, 1billsfan said: I think Lamar Jackson will be their guy. They come from Carolina and they might be thinking they can mold him into a Qb like Newton. I think Mayfields height and personality will turn them off from perusing him. Cam sux , they learned their lesson, Jackson not happening
Xwnyer Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 Do not trade the 21 and 22 and other picks to get up high I. The draft. Take what’s their at 21and 22or drop down further picking up more picks to fill roster with elite talent. If a QB is there that you like at 18or so maybe move up to get him 1
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 Lots of people still want to build a team and basically ignore QB, that has worked so well in the past... Taking the best QB at your available spot generally = JP Losman 4th best QB talent...
The_Dude Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Process said: DL and LB All the QBs will be long gone by the time we pick, and we have way too many holes to move up to early first round. Trade for Smith and get a QB in 2019 I think if we get Smith we’ll just be in this position in 2019. If we bring Smith in he’ll instantly make us a better team. McDermott took one of the worst drought rosters to the playoffs. If we bring Smith in then I don’t think we’ll trade up for a QB and we’ll load up in the draft. I think next year if the Bills invest wisely in free agency and draft well that this can be a 10 win team and playoff team again. This will just put the team in the same position in 2019. All I know is Tyrod can’t be back and they’ll need to make at least one bold move this offseason.
Pbomb Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, mellaman101 said: Erik Flowers John McCargo If troupe is still there you gotta pull the trigger 1
rodneykm Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 I've come around to figuring out a way to draft Baker Mayfield. I hear the Manziel comparisons but I believe they are way, way off. This guy has that "it" factor that will win a franchise a lot of games down the road. We need that swagger. 1
The Jokeman Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, TonyBeets said: Give it a guess!!! I'm guessing we go defense with both picks. It's amazing the lack of defensive talent we have. It's amazing that Frazier and MCDermott got them playing as good as they did. QB Mason Rudolph, QB Oklahoma State and LB Cameron Smith, LB USC. 8 minutes ago, rodneykm said: I've come around to figuring out a way to draft Baker Mayfield. I hear the Manziel comparisons but I believe they are way, way off. This guy has that "it" factor that will win a franchise a lot of games down the road. We need that swagger. If only was in a body 3 inches taller. 1
/dev/null Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 According to the NFL Draft Trade Chart (take that with a grain of salt of course) https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Packaging both firsts and both seconds (remember we also hold the Rams second from the Sammy Trade) would be enough ammo to move into the bottom half of the top 10. Adding next years first might crack the top 5
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