JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 8:40 PM, thebandit27 said: They have plenty of cap room to address needs. They can sign a corner (Gaines or otherwise), a DT (i.e. Justin Ellis), and a speed WR (I like Brice Butler or Paul Richardson)--all in the Hyde/Poyer mold of undervalued player--and still have room to sign their treasure trove of draft picks with space to spare. If you can't come away from the draft with a QB, pass rusher, and MLB with the number of picks that Buffalo has, then hang 'em up. You fill in the rest (backup RB, backup QB, etc) with low-end FAs and UDFAs. It certainly will be interesting to see how many holes they can fill with that cap room, especially with the balanced value signing approach. I hope we retain Gaines. Richardson would be interesting, especially if we cut ties with Dennison and make a run at Bevell.
sjjr Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 Probably won't have the future franchise QBs available at 21/22 so looking at guys like Vea, M.Davenport(DE) or J.Jackson (CB). Maybe can trade down, get more picks and look at guys like J.Jewell (MLB) or T.Crosby (OL) in the 2nd round. Sony Michel looked good in the college football playoff and would be a nice pick in round 2 or 3 maybe.
turftoe Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 8:24 PM, /dev/null said: Bottom half of the top 10 is picks 6-10 which includes pick #7. My math is correct, but how is your reading comprehension? Now I see why it was my lowest score on the SAT. Dang.
ndirish1978 Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 5:19 PM, thebandit27 said: That's very outdated thinking It is literally illegal (per the CBA) to give Dawkins a new deal prior to the completion of his 3rd accrued season, so even if you got rid of Glenn and brought in someone at 1/3 of his price, you're still paying your RT far more than your LT. Me? I'd prefer to have he best set of tackles that I can. Having them at a total cap hit of $15M is fine by me. It's not. It just messes up your point. We HAVE a LT in Dawkins, we will not be keeping our old LT unless he restructures his contract.
thebandit27 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 14 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: It's not. It just messes up your point. We HAVE a LT in Dawkins, we will not be keeping our old LT unless he restructures his contract. Yes, it is. The Eagles (the #1 seed in the NFC), had a LT in Jason Peters, but they had zero compunction with paying RT Lane Johnson $11.5M per year. The point isn't to have the cheapest set of OTs you can get by with; it's to have the best team that you can field. The plan coming into 2017 was to move forward with Dawkins and Glenn at OT under their current contracts; this should still be the plan. Dawkins--per the CBA--cannot get a new deal for another 2 years, so what is the rush to jettison Glenn in favor of who-knows-what? Move him to RT, where he'll happily play for his LT salary, and focus on improving other parts of the team. To do anything else is taking yet another step back on a unit that is already in search of a new RG and RT (if you get rid of Glenn) and has players with one foot out the door at C and LG. 1
OldTimer1960 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 2:15 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said: That's $14 million for a RT. Higher by any other starting RT by $3 million. But if Dawkins is playing LT, he is cheap for a starting LT
thebandit27 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: But if Dawkins is playing LT, he is cheap for a starting LT Exactly. The team went into 2017 planning to have a pair of tackles that cost ~$15-16M AAV against the cap. That's precisely what they'd have if they keep the EXACT same tandem. getting hung up on which side of the line they play is, IMO, missing the forest for the trees 1
xRUSHx Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 4:30 PM, Rico said: #21 Baker Mayfield #22 Josh Allen #21 Mayfield #22 Rudolph
OldTimer1960 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Exactly. The team went into 2017 planning to have a pair of tackles that cost ~$15-16M AAV against the cap. That's precisely what they'd have if they keep the EXACT same tandem. getting hung up on which side of the line they play is, IMO, missing the forest for the trees I am with you - Glenn can be a dominating run blocker and is a good pass blocker, if healthy. If he is healthy, the OL would be MUCH better with him than without him.
papazoid Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Beane already tipped his hand.....cordy is gone....only a matter of when 1
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Gotta remember that, while we can have a good set of OTs for ~$15-16 million, we can also go with Dawkins and another solid RT who does not have injury concerns for way less $.
bkep32 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 3:45 PM, ROCBillsBeliever said: 21 - Bryce Love III - RB - Stanford 22 - Vita Vea - DT - Washington Package both 2nd rounders to move up and snag best QB available in late 1st / early 2nd. love is staying in college 2 hours ago, xRUSHx said: #21 Mayfield #22 Rudolph why are we all in love with mayfield...just another johnny manz
Rubes Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, papazoid said: Beane already tipped his hand.....cordy is gone....only a matter of when Could be a bargaining chip for a draft trade so Beane doesn't have to give up more picks than he wants to move up...
thebandit27 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Gotta remember that, while we can have a good set of OTs for ~$15-16 million, we can also go with Dawkins and another solid RT who does not have injury concerns for way less $. Who is this other tackle that is not only solid, but both inexpensive and a guarantee to come here? Because Glenn is young, very good, and under contract for multiple seasons We're talking about a bird in the hand here Edited January 20, 2018 by thebandit27
bkep32 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 21st - tremaine edwards - LB Virg Tech 22nd - DaRon Payne - DT Bama
ndirish1978 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Sounds nice, but ALL evidence coming out through the rumor mill indicates that they are trying to shed the 2nd largest cap hit on the team. Glenn has a bad foot, they can't count on him. Your premise is based on the assumption he gets better and it doesn't seem like they think he will. 1 1
thebandit27 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Sounds nice, but ALL evidence coming out through the rumor mill indicates that they are trying to shed the 2nd largest cap hit on the team. Glenn has a bad foot, they can't count on him. Your premise is based on the assumption he gets better and it doesn't seem like they think he will. Actually, there's zero evidence of what you're claiming aside from a report that Seattle inquired about Glenn but Buffalo wanted too much. There's also no evidence that he won't heal and return to form; bigger guys that were more advanced in age have come back from more serious injuries. Regardless, the discussion was centered around what they SHOULD do. Making the team worse by creating a new hole at a position they've been unable to fill for years isn't something that the team should do.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Who is this other tackle that is not only solid, but both inexpensive and a guarantee to come here? Because Glenn is young, very good, and under contract for multiple seasons We're talking about a bird in the hand here It all depends on the medicals. If he checks out, then sure he is a good option. However, a value FA, such as Cornelius Lucas, might do the job. There are a few mid-round OTs, such as Nevada's Austin Corbett, that could work, too. It would be a downgrade in talent. No doubt. I just think it might be worth it to get a more available and durable RT who would cost far less and allow the teams to fill even more positions of need in FA.
thebandit27 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: It all depends on the medicals. If he checks out, then sure he is a good option. However, a value FA, such as Cornelius Lucas, might do the job. There are a few mid-round OTs, such as Nevada's Austin Corbett, that could work, too. It would be a downgrade in talent. No doubt. I just think it might be worth it to get a more available and durable RT who would cost far less and allow the teams to fill even more positions of need in FA. The problem is that you're talking about "coulds" and "maybes" that we have no guarantee of getting, versus Glenn, who is proven and a definite to be here if they want him. I find it surprisingly odd that you'd be willing to part with Glenn for a guy like Lucas--who has a total of 7 career starts. The whole discussion is especially strange to me given that the team will have nearly $60M in cap space--they don't need to get rid of Glenn. Edited January 20, 2018 by thebandit27
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: The problem is that you're talking about "coulds" and "maybes" that we have no guarantee of getting, versus Glenn, who is proven and a definite to be here if they want him. I find it surprisingly odd that you'd be willing to part with Glenn for a guy like Lucas--who has a total of 7 career starts. The whole discussion is especially strange to me given that the team will have nearly $60M in cap space--they don't need to get rid of Glenn. So Glenn will fully recover from the injury, be happy with being moved to RT, and successfully make that transition? Or he could do all that? I'm willing to part with a guy who has a considerable injury history and would be vastly overpaid to play RT. Where are you getting $60 million in cap space? I've only seen a little over $30 million. (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/) - $32,578,305 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/) - $31,336,937 They don't need to get rid of Glenn, but they do need a QB, HB2, DTs, LBs, and possibly a WR, OG, DE, and CB.
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