jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Idk but that does not mean they wont. Cleveland has the 4th so I think that either pick could be in play. Cleveland may like Allen the best but dont want to pick him over Darnold or Rosen so they trade 1. Or they get there Qb at 1 and pick up 3 first rounder for 4. The Giants may think that with the return of Beckham they are much closer to winning with Eli than without him and push hard to build around him. Lineman are not as high this year they pick up our picks this year and sure up their line and use our pick next year for the Qb of the future. Maybe no one trades out of the top 10 but recent history tells you otherwise. 3 first rounders will have any organizations attention add in 2 this year allows poor rosters to get 2 starters for this year. You're trying to hard. The Browns are going to pick Darnold or Rosen, and then the Giants are going to draft the other guy. Who else are we trading up for?
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: You're trying to hard. The Browns are going to pick Darnold or Rosen, and then the Giants are going to draft the other guy. Who else are we trading up for? Mayfield @ 3
ndirish1978 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 6:38 PM, Reed83HOF said: Lots of people still want to build a team and basically ignore QB, that has worked so well in the past... Taking the best QB at your available spot generally = JP Losman 4th best QB talent... +1 I'm tired of not taking an actual shot an trying for a good QB On 1/7/2018 at 6:32 PM, Xwnyer said: Do not trade the 21 and 22 and other picks to get up high I. The draft. Take what’s their at 21and 22or drop down further picking up more picks to fill roster with elite talent. If a QB is there that you like at 18or so maybe move up to get him Losing mentality right here. We're not a great football team, the focus has to be drafting a QB and a better OL to protect him On 1/7/2018 at 7:31 PM, NewEraBills said: For me I'd take 21 Quenton Nelson Guard ND. 22 Vita Vae or Christian Wilkins if they are there Nelson is a top 12 pick, not gonna happen On 1/7/2018 at 8:29 PM, Real McCoy said: I'd take this all day! If Vita is Gone give me Roquon Smith or Josh Allen at LB Roquon Smith is a top 15 player
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Mayfield @ 3 I like Mayfield, but I'm not trading 3 first round picks for him.
ndirish1978 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: I dislike a lot of this... - Unless Gaines takes a deal in the 8-9 AAV range, I'm not interested. He seems to get hurt in every game. - No thanks on Preston Brown; I can find a 2-down thumper that can't cover on day 3 of the draft if I need one. - I'm not breaking the bank to the tune of $10M AAV+ for Norwell or $11M AAV+ for Star in FA. I'd much rather spend 1/3 of that on Chris Hubbard and Justin Ellis, respectively. - I equate Rudolph to Paxton Lynch, so he's not on my radar until day 3. Washington, Kizer, Lowell, and Chubb I am in agreement on. Eventually, you need to start taking bites at the apple if you want long-term success. Better to pull the trigger too early on a guy that doesn't work out (EJ) than to wait too long on a guy that does (Dak/Wilson/Dalton/Cousins) Norwell is one of the BEST guards in the league, I'd pay for him.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I like Mayfield, but I'm not trading 3 first round picks for him. How about 21, 22, and Glenn?
Bangarang Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: You're trying to hard. The Browns are going to pick Darnold or Rosen, and then the Giants are going to draft the other guy. Who else are we trading up for? You never know what will happen. Look at where Watson and Mahomes went last year. You can find good QB outside of the top 2 picks. Just have to hope they are drafted into the right situation for them to succeed
Mat68 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: You're trying to hard. The Browns are going to pick Darnold or Rosen, and then the Giants are going to draft the other guy. Who else are we trading up for? Again as i stated idk why a team would trade out of taking a Qb when it appears they need one. That also has not stopped franchises in the past from doing so completely disregarding it is not accurate. Allen or Jackson I would still trade up for if Darnold or Rosen are not obtainable. Both are the most gifted prospect and neither will be there at 21. With the top guys gone the price wouldn't be as high but Indy and Cleveland imo would listen for offers. Outside of those four no other Qb in the draft has franchise caliber potential you essentially are hoping to hit the lottery that one of these other guys play much better than anyone projected them to.
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: How about 21, 22, and Glenn? In what world is Cordy Glenn worth a first round pick? 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: You never know what will happen. Look at where Watson and Mahomes went last year. You can find good QB outside of the top 2 picks. Just have to hope they are drafted into the right situation for them to succeed I agree with the sentiment we don't need the top pick, I guess I just don't think either of those guys are on Watson's level. A lot of teams in the top 10 need a QB, and I think the price we'll have to pay to move up that high will be enormous, and I'm not sure I'm willing to take the risk of giving up multiple first rounders for a guy who history says probably won't work out.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: In what world is Cordy Glenn worth a first round pick? OK, Mr. Colts GM, here's my counteroffer: 21, 22, our 3rd round pick, and Glenn. Deal?
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: OK, Mr. Colts GM, here's my counteroffer: 21, 22, our 3rd round pick, and Glenn. Deal? No thanks. Give me a third 1st round pick, or two 2nd round picks. Adding a LT who has been very injury prone for the past two years, who is making $14 mil/year isn't something I want to add to my roster.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: No thanks. Give me a third 1st round pick, or two 2nd round picks. Adding a LT who has been very injury prone for the past two years, who is making $14 mil/year isn't something I want to add to my roster. Because your offensive line is so good? Okay: 21, 22, 3rd round pick, 2019 4th round pick, and Glenn. Deal?
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Because your offensive line is so good? Okay: 21, 22, 3rd round pick, 2019 4th round pick, and Glenn. Deal? The value doesn't add up on the draft value chart. I'd be pretty confident someone else would offer market value for my pick. The Colts are rebuilding. They need draft picks to fill out their roster. They're not going to do us a favour and take Glenn and his contract off our hands because we want to get rid of it.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: The value doesn't add up on the draft value chart. I'd be pretty confident someone else would offer market value for my pick. The Colts are rebuilding. They need draft picks to fill out their roster. They're not going to do us a favour and take Glenn and his contract off our hands because we want to get rid of it. No they'll do it because their highly paid franchise QB has had the $#!+ beat out of him and missed this whole season. If you do 21, 22, our 2nd round pick, and Glenn (who would be valued as a high 3rd round pick, not terrible for a starting LT), then that equals out.
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: No they'll do it because their highly paid franchise QB has had the $#!+ beat out of him and missed this whole season. If you do 21, 22, our 2nd round pick, and Glenn (who would be valued as a high 3rd round pick, not terrible for a starting LT), then that equals out. Now you're starting to make sense. So we'd walk away with Mayfield, a late 2nd round pick and a late 3rd round pick. Mayfield better work out and work out quickly because we have a lot of holes to fill. I'm probably more inclined to see who falls to #21, and then keep the #22, our two seconds and our third, and really give the overall roster an upgrade. Edited January 9, 2018 by jrober38 1
CuddyDark Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) IDk about the Colts but if I'm the Bills and I want a top 5 pick I'd look to ship Cordy to the Giants. I think they believe they can make a run with the team they have. Colts needs to rebuild so I doubt they'd make the trade. Edited January 9, 2018 by CuddyDark
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Now you're starting to make sense. So we'd walk away with Mayfield, a late 2nd round pick and a late 3rd round pick. Mayfield better work out and work out quickly because we have a lot of holes to fill. I'm probably more inclined to see who falls to #21, and then keep the #22, our two seconds and our third, and really give the roster an upgrade. Just haggling And this only happens if OBD determines Mayfield is a franchise guy. But that's well worth it if they do indeed think that. Right now, and I've looked at zero tape, but my gut tells me that Mayfield is the clear cut QB3 of this draft and will be a good starter. An upgraded roster isn't doing anything if we have no QB, ya know? Unless we're going the Jags D with Bortles route, which... yeah, no. I'd be okay with Mayfield, and using the other high picks to hopefully grab 2 BPAs at OG/DT/DE/LB.
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Just haggling And this only happens if OBD determines Mayfield is a franchise guy. But that's well worth it if they do indeed think that. Right now, and I've looked at zero tape, but my gut tells me that Mayfield is the clear cut QB3 of this draft and will be a good starter. An upgraded roster isn't doing anything if we have no QB, ya know? Unless we're going the Jags D with Bortles route, which... yeah, no. I'd be okay with Mayfield, and using the other high picks to hopefully grab 2 BPAs at OG/DT/DE/LB. It'll be a fun offseason. We're going to get a new QB, and I'm hopeful that the success we had this year will make us more appealing to veteran free agents who can help us fill out the roster. I think the defensive front seven needs a total overhaul, so I'm hoping we can turn that side of the ball into a crutch for our soon to be QB to lean on as they develop their first couple seasons. We have a really good secondary, but need to improve the pass rush and run defense in the middle and I think we need multiple draft picks to do those things.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It'll be a fun offseason. We're going to get a new QB, and I'm hopeful that the success we had this year will make us more appealing to veteran free agents who can help us fill out the roster. I think the defensive front seven needs a total overhaul, so I'm hoping we can turn that side of the ball into a crutch for our soon to be QB to lean on as they develop their first couple seasons. We have a really good secondary, but need to improve the pass rush and run defense in the middle and I think we need multiple draft picks to do those things. I'm hoping we can fill at least one starter between OG/DT/DE/LB from FA. Hopefully, like I said before, we can then get (in this trade scenario) two starters in rounds 2 and 3 at OG/DT/DE/LB. Worst case scenario then is we have a QB and one of either Ducasse, Washington, Yarbrough, or Alexander as a starter (assuming Milano has earned a starting LB spot).
thebandit27 Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: Norwell is one of the BEST guards in the league, I'd pay for him. I happen to think that Norwell is one of the 4 best guards in football I'm also not going to pay him $12M/year to play marginally better football than the current LG, who costs 60% that much. For me, I'm much more willing to shift Glenn over to RT and make a play for Yanda if/when he gets released (or Hubbard if Baltimore keeps Yanda) and roll with a front 5 of Dawkins-Richie-Wood-Yanda/Hubbard-Glenn.
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