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1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I don't hate Taylor..but he is what he is...an average to slightly below average starting QB. Can you win some games with him...maybe a playoff game? Sure, but to be a true superbowl contender, you need better.  I'll take any new guys because I know what I have now is not good enough.

You might be too generous with your evaluation of Taylor.  If there was *ever* a playoff game that you “could win with Taylor”, today was it.  Defense (and Blake Bortles) held the opposition to 10 points.  Are we down to: “IF you make the playoffs AND IF the defense gets a shutout THEN you could win a game 3-0”?

 

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5 minutes ago, BuffaloDave55 said:

Vikings can't keep everyone... 3 free agent QB's.   Go after BRIDGEWATER!!!!!

 

Bridgewater's numbers were pretty ass and his knee !@#$ing exploded to the point where he missed an entire season and most of another. I don't get the appeal of him. 

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5 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

I'd do it tonight. His !@#$up at the one totally changed the game. 

What are you talking about?  That play was EXACTLY why you have a player like Benjamin.  The penalty call was correct, but a lot of times players get away with that. Push-off.  If it was just incomplete with no penalty, no problem.  You can’t not run that play for fear of offensivePI call.

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40 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

My original premise was that the Bills should spend a high draft choice on a QB, maybe even trade up to get one. But then they should keep Tyrod for one more year in order to not have to start a rookie on a team that might not be ready or in a bad situation. Tyrod can be a placeholder QB for one more season, are the free agent QB's that you can get cheaper any better? No not really, are the QB's you would be trading for any better (At best a marginal upgrade like Alex Smith) I don't think it's worth it. Draft a QB early and have Tyrod be the guy they have to beat out for the job. 

 

I agree up to a point.  Out of the 4-8 veteran QB's that are available, there might be 2-3 who are pretty good.  We know TT has reached his ceiling. Why not roll the dice on a young QB who might develop into a good player, while the rookie QB gets some pro experience?

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20 minutes ago, leonbus23 said:

I disagree. Smith is a lot better. Tyrod's numbers are deceiving.  Smith is smarter. More like a QB. Not necessarily a savior or anything. 

 

I don't see how Tyrod's numbers are deceiving but setting that aside the key criticisms Chief's fans have had against Smith sound very similar to what we say about Tyrod (Too conservative, Too many check downs, takes incompletions or short runs on third and long, is unable to take advantage of dynamic offensive weapons, and on and on.) Smith also plays under a much better offensive coach, in a stable offensive system, and in recent years with better offensive talent. If you drop him into this team (And spend a 2nd round pick to do so) I can't see the results being much better. 

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1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

What are you talking about?  That play was EXACTLY why you have a player like Benjamin.  The penalty call was correct, but a lot of times players get away with that. Push-off.  If it was just incomplete with no penalty, no problem.  You can’t not run that play for fear of offensivePI call.

Didn't need to run it on first and probably not on second. That's what I'm talking about

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1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Bridgewater's numbers were pretty ass and his knee !@#$ing exploded to the point where he missed an entire season and most of another. I don't get the appeal of him. 

 

OBD cannot and will not "trot TT out on the field" opening game of the 2018 season.

They just can't.

 

My 85 year old mother knows TT cannot bring the Bills to a victory down in the 4th quarter.

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The problem with Tyrod is that he is not bad enough to be thrown away.  He isnt very good, but he isnt very bad.  In some respects he is the perfect QB for the middling bills.  I agree we need to move on, but be careful what you wish for.  It might just be worse. 

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2 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

 

I agree up to a point.  Out of the 4-8 veteran QB's that are available, there might be 2-3 who are pretty good.  We know TT has reached his ceiling. Why not roll the dice on a young QB who might develop into a good player, while the rookie QB gets some pro experience?

 

Out of the veteran QB's available I only see 3 as being an upgrade over Taylor. One is Eli Manning the other is Kirk Cousins. I don't think the Giants are getting rid of Eli just yet and I think Kirk Cousins is going to cost you 30 million in cap space and you might end up with a Joe Flacco situation where a QB takes up so much of your cap that it limits your roster overall and while the QB might be good he doesn't elevate the play of the offense enough to justify such a cap hit. 

 

Alex Smith I would consider a slight upgrade over Taylor but not one I would trade a 2nd round pick for and give up 4.5 million in additional cap space for. I would rather the Bills trade up for a QB in the draft and force that QB to beat out Tyrod. If Tyrod sucks so much then that QB won't have an issue winning that battle.

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3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

We do not any 'Dynamic Offensive Weapons', other than Shady. That being said, if Bills fans want to see Tyrod cut, than take Peterman along with him. The guy is a joke.....

we would have been more competitive than a 3 point total had peterman played the entire game

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7 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

We do not any 'Dynamic Offensive Weapons', other than Shady. That being said, if Bills fans want to see Tyrod cut, than take Peterman along with him. The guy is a joke.....

 

When Sammy was here a lot of people felt like Tyrod didn't take advantage of him enough. How dynamic he was/is is up for debate but fan complaints aren't always accurate. I would also say that a lot of people felt that Clay was a weapon on the offense that was not taken advantage of enough up until this season when it became obvious he was hurt a lot. I would also add that Benjamin is a player that people felt like Tyrod wasn't taking advantage of enough until it became obvious he was hurt. 

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1 hour ago, chef4131 said:

based on todays performance by TT I believe it will be easy for the Bills to move on from him, of course we need to find someone 

 

While I agree with your end assessment, you don't grade a QB's performance by one game (today or otherwise). You look at what they've done throughout their career, and especially this season with this coaching staff.

And that brings us to the same conclusion - he's not good & we need to move on.

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9 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said:

The problem with Tyrod is that he is not bad enough to be thrown away.  He isnt very good, but he isnt very bad.  In some respects he is the perfect QB for the middling bills.  I agree we need to move on, but be careful what you wish for.  It might just be worse. 

 

You don't get better by settling for "middling."  Alex Smith would be an upgrade and a bridge for a younger prospect.

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3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Out of the veteran QB's available I only see 3 as being an upgrade over Taylor. One is Eli Manning the other is Kirk Cousins. I don't think the Giants are getting rid of Eli just yet and I think Kirk Cousins is going to cost you 30 million in cap space and you might end up with a Joe Flacco situation where a QB takes up so much of your cap that it limits your roster overall and while the QB might be good he doesn't elevate the play of the offense enough to justify such a cap hit. 

 

Alex Smith I would consider a slight upgrade over Taylor but not one I would trade a 2nd round pick for and give up 4.5 million in additional cap space for. I would rather the Bills trade up for a QB in the draft and force that QB to beat out Tyrod. If Tyrod sucks so much then that QB won't have an issue winning that battle.

 

I think Smith is way more than a "slight" upgrade over Taylor, and moreso than Eli by far. Kirk Cousins definitely is, but nobody is really questioning that. Not sure how good a fit he is for the team, but he's better than TT hands down.

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1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

I honestly think that you can only move on from Tyrod if it is a substantial upgrade or a rookie with promise. A slight upgrade or lateral move like Alex Smith would not work, why give up assets and cap space to be marginally better at QB? Even if they draft a rookie I would still want Tyrod on the roster. Peterman is ass and they shouldn't force a rookie into action if that rookie can't beat out Tyrod. If a rookie can't beat out Tyrod let Tyrod hang in there for one more year and slowly build up the talent on the team around a young promising QB who can learn a system and get use to being a pro for awhile. 

I willing to take a one year step back at QB for the long term development of real modern competent offense.   The D did all they could this year. they were let down by the O.

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