maryland-bills-fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Quote we looked back at the 45 quarterbacks chosen in the first round over the previous 16 drafts - starting with the return of the Cleveland Browns in 1999. 17 of these quarterbacks (38 percent) have won a playoff game. 16 of the 45 (36 percent) have winning records as starters during the regular season. The career passer ratings for only a half-dozen of these quarterbacks is high enough to be ranked in the top half of the league last year. http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2015/04/success_for_quarterbacks_picke.html So, saying it another way, you have to draft THREE (high?) 1st rounders to get somebody who will get into the playoffs.............and only 13% of the first rounders will be in the top half of the league in passing. Realize that those successful QB's were mostly picked in the top 5 slots. We are not drafting in the one->5 slot because we are not that bad. So we would have to repeatedly bundle up something like two first rounders and a second to get a shot at a top 5 draft pick slot. Therefore you are not just talking about spending three 1st round picks. Maybe something like five 1st round and five 2nd round picks to get to pick three times in the top 5. Is it worth 8 to 10 starters for that? That is nearly an entire offense or defense. It is one hell of an offensive line and linebacker crew...... ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 So let's never draft a qb!!! How many starters could the Eagles for Wentz or the Packers get for Rodgers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Oh good. The "don't draft a QB incase he sucks" talk has started. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So let's never draft a qb!!! How many starters could the Eagles for Wentz or the Packers get for Rodgers? No, I am thinking that we should stay away from trying to move up for a QB. We might draft one when we think is of real cost-effective value falls to us in the late 1st or the 2nd/3rd round. Right now there will be a bunch of experienced FA QB's looking for work, and one might just fit well here. TT doesn't seem to be a fit here and the head coach (remember his starting Peterson) doesn't seem to think so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, maryland-bills-fan said: No, I am thinking that we should stay away from trying to move up for a QB. We might draft one when we think is of real cost-effective value falls to us in the late 1st or the 2nd/3rd round. Right now there will be a bunch of experienced FA QB's looking for work, and one might just fit well here. TT doesn't seem to be a fit here and the head coach (remember his starting Peterson) doesn't seem to think so as well. The only position worth moving up in the draft for is qb. Do you think the Eagles or Rams regret trading up for their Qbs? And they both weren't thought of as good of prospects as these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Oh good. The "don't draft a QB incase he sucks" talk has started. ?? A lot of people thought that Maneul was not a good choice at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 If a lot of resources are consumed to get 1 QB that is fine, but only if its figured the guy is a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The only position worth moving up in the draft for is qb. Do you think the Eagles or Rams regret trading up for their Qbs? And they both weren't thought of as good of prospects as these two. Cleveland and the Giants are not going to take any trades to grab the top two. Everybody else is a crap shoot. I may be tempted to cobble some pics together the grab Mayfield but other than that, why burn up all of our picks to go after the rest of that group. Let's see what falls to us when we pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 So our first 3 picks should be Rudolph, Jackson, and Lock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: ?? A lot of people thought that Maneul was not a good choice at the time. And? How is that relevant? Don't draft one because EJ Manuel sucked? I don't understand your argument if your argument is don't draft Quarterbacks incase they suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Would you trade T White and a first next year for Mahomes at this point? If not, flies in the faced of the trade up into the top 10 and draft the 3rd available QB crowd (assuming CLE and NYG go QB at 1 and 2)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Bill Murray said: Would you trade T White and a first next year for Mahomes at this point? If not, flies in the faced of the trade up into the top 10 and draft the 3rd available QB crowd (assuming CLE and NYG go QB at 1 and 2)... The third Quarterback last year was Deshuan Watson. And yes, I'd make that trade right now without a 2nd thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) If your criteria is a sure thing, only God can trade up. Risk is inherent in drafting any player. I would absolutely trade up for Rosen or Darnold, but I can't see either the hapless Browns or the Giants trading out. After that, there are more question marks, so I think you have to make a prudential decision regarding how much one is willing to pay to secure the next best qb. If it's too much, I suppose you wait it out and take bpa, qb when it makes sense, but we sure need a franchise qb. Edited January 4, 2018 by Dr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: ?? A lot of people thought that Maneul was not a good choice at the time. EJ may not have been a great choice at the time, but the 8th pick netted EJ and Kiko. EJ didnt work out but Kiko has been a good player form day one. So, not a awful use of resources. Washington had what three 1st and a 2nd into RG3. Using resources to get a QB is ok but better be sold before giving away the farm. With all the picks the Bills have this year I would like to see them get a lot of talent from the draft and pay a free agent QB that is proven. The problem is I dont know if a proven free agent will be available. Edited January 4, 2018 by artmalibu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The only position worth moving up in the draft for is qb. Do you think the Eagles or Rams regret trading up for their Qbs? And they both weren't thought of as good of prospects as these two. Well how much use are the Iggles going to get out of Wentz this postseason? They did "win the lottery" by the fact that he looks like a real good player from his performance this year. But there are several ways to lose when you put a lot of valuable eggs in one basket. ACL being one. An EJM being another. They gave up 3 top 100 picks in 2016, a 1st rounder in 2017 and a 2nd rounder in 2018- 5 potentially good players. Overall they did win that one. 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And? How is that relevant? Don't draft one because EJ Manuel sucked? I don't understand your argument if your argument is don't draft Quarterbacks incase they suck. You draft QB's. You draft RB's and CB's and many other positions. Your are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: You draft QB's. You draft RB's and CB's and many other positions. Your are welcome. When you don't have a Quarterback you draft a Quarterback if there is one capable available and if that costs you an extra pick or two then so be it. Some Quarterbacks suck and I know it has traditionally made some Bills fans feel better to say "ahhh it's a crapshoot there is no way of knowing who is good or bad." I'm sorry I think that is absolute rubbish. There is tape to evaluate of every Quarterback in college. Lots of tape on the ones that go in the 1st round. Evaluate that tape, do your best job, trust your judgment and take your shot. Most regimes only get one shot at finding their Quarterback but that is not an excuse to shy away from doing it. This is the NFL - you need a Quarterback to win a Championship. If you draft the right guy you will then have him for 10-12 years. Plenty of time to build a team around him. I am not a "draft a QB in the 1st every year" guy. Nor am I a "draft one for the sake of drafting one" guy, but if you don't have a guy you better start every scouting year saying "I'm gonna find a Quarterback" and every draft season trying to find a way to get one based on your scouting. 12 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Well how much use are the Iggles going to get out of Wentz this postseason? They did "win the lottery" It is not a freaking lottery. Lotteries are games of chance. Drafting Quarterbacks is not an exact science but it is a whole lot more scientific than a lottery. Edited January 4, 2018 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 YES it is worth it. FIX the MOST important position on the football field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: When you don't have a Quarterback you draft a Quarterback if there is one capable available and if that costs you an extra pick or two then so be it. Some Quarterbacks suck and I know it has traditionally made some Bills fans feel better to say "ahhh it's a crapshoot there is no way of knowing who is good or bad." I'm sorry I think that is absolute rubbish. There is tape to evaluate of every Quarterback in college. Lots of tape on the ones that go in the 1st round. Evaluate that tape, do your best job, trust your judgment and take your shot. Most regimes only get one shot at finding their Quarterback but that is not an excuse to shy away from doing it. This is the NFL - you need a Quarterback to win a Championship. If you draft the right guy you will then have him for 10-12 years. Plenty of time to build a team around him. I am not a "draft a QB in the 1st every year" guy. Nor am I a "draft one for the sake of drafting one" guy, but if you don't have a guy you better start every scouting year saying "I'm gonna find a Quarterback" and every draft season trying to find a way to get one based on your scouting. Who is your current third and fourth best qb? What would you be prepared to trade to secure them? I like Mayfield third best, but he's not tall and has maturity issues. Allen has questions about accuracy and level of competition. Rudolph doesn't impress me that much, but I'm no expert. I kinda think he might be there without a trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I also love how EVERY person that thinks the way of the OP is that yep gonna bust on QB but every pick used to get to take the QB is going to be a starter lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Most important position in the game. The right QB would elevate the play of the entire team. Just have to chose right, and for those that do the promise land awaits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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