Stank_Nasty Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 JUST GET A QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Trade for Smith, then beef up that front 7. If we can gear up a pass rush + stiffen against the run, our already effective DBs will take over games. Smith is every bit as good as Taylor in protecting the ball, but much more talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: I agree with this. Also keep in mind we have 2 2nd round picks. We could package both 1sts and a 2nd, and get up to #4-#5 and still have a 2nd round pick of our own. We'd still walk out of the draft with 7 picks, including a franchise QB. If it was a sure thing, yes. BUT only about a third of 1st round QB's ever work out (e.g. make it to the playoffs one time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Both... Drew Lock round 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said: This is where I am. I love TT as a person, but he's not the guy. I wish he was. In the coming draft, if the Bills believe X is the guy, get THE guy. We have the ammo to move up. Trading back in last years draft was specifically for the purpose of moving up this year. So was the Darby trade for a 2nd rounder. Now is the time to move up. As mentioned above, we can trade up for a QB and still have a decent amount of picks left to fill out the roster. I expect such a move to cost both #1s. If I have to toss in an additional #2 OR a #3, then I'm OK with that too. I am not in the "we're close, so sign a veteran free agent qb and fill our other needs in the draft" camp. In any case, the free agency period will be very telling this year. Are you sure about that? My impression is that the "plan" was to first improve the overall quality of the team by getting a lot of draft picks in the top 3 rounds. So we traded away some veteran and good quality Bills to pick up younger players who would mature and reach their peak together. I don't recall that the trading back was mean to supply ammunition for a swoop up for a QB. Did I miss something that you can quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I would try to give Jimmy G whatever he wants. We have 84 picks over the next few years. Go get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Something to keep in mind. If all the teams before us in the draft go crazy and draft 20 QB's before our pick....... don't jump off of a tall building but think of all the excellent non-QB's that we then have to chose from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 We would be in great shape if it was not for the Giants. You just know they are going to pick Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, ROONDOGG55 said: I'm not sure the goal of adding additional draft picks is to move up the following year. If the opportunity presents itself and you have the ammo, then by all means trade up. I just think the reasoning for the additional picks is to add players of their liking. They obviously weren't thrilled with those guys that were traded. If it wasn't then it should have been in my opinion. We traded out of a spot with good Quarterback prospects available and on the board to gain another 1st round pick. That can only be justified if you see that pick as currency to move up if you need to in order to secure the Quarterback of the future. I didn't hate the trade back last year, as much as I'd have stayed put and selected Watson, we got an extra 1st in a year when the QB class is good and reasonably deep and we got a player I liked a lot as a prospect in Tre White. If, however, we forego good Quarterback prospects again this draft to pick two positional players I will sour on that initial trade back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Are you sure about that? My impression is that the "plan" was to first improve the overall quality of the team by getting a lot of draft picks in the top 3 rounds. So we traded away some veteran and good quality Bills to pick up younger players who would mature and reach their peak together. I don't recall that the trading back was mean to supply ammunition for a swoop up for a QB. Did I miss something that you can quote? I think it was pretty much common knowledge that this years draft was QB deep. Was it THE plan or was it one of many potential outcomes? I don't know. I do know the organizations was not sold on TT, and most experts had us at 4-6 wins. I think we were planning ahead and going for a qb this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 If the cost is both 1st rounder this year, the Bills 2nd, and the Bills 1st next year plus some additional mid-round picks, then I would highly consider it for one of the top 3 QB's in this years draft. Yes that would be gutting the teams draft this year and hurting their draft badly next year. But the Bills would still have a late 2nd and late 3rd round pick in 2018 and only lose 1 pick in 2019. That's not the worst cost to pay for a top QB prospect. However if the cost goes much steeper than that I would have to consider passing and just building the team around Tyrod and drafting a QB later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said: I think it was pretty much common knowledge that this years draft was QB deep. Was it THE plan or was it one of many potential outcomes? I don't know. I do know the organizations was not sold on TT, and most experts had us at 4-6 wins. I think we were planning ahead and going for a qb this year. agree with this, but with that said, I kind of hope the FO realizes the plan has changed because we "won ourselves out of a top QB". I think I would prefer to stay put and use those picks to upgrade the entire team, INCLUDING QB if they like a guy. If they like Rudolph (I don't) and hes still on the board then take him with one of those picks. If they like a guy who is falling, then use resources to take that guy. I dont see us trading up to take one of the top two QBs because the cost will just be too much Build this team through draft and FA at all positions, including QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, hemma said: Trade for Smith, then beef up that front 7. If we can gear up a pass rush + stiffen against the run, our already effective DBs will take over games. Smith is every bit as good as Taylor in protecting the ball, but much more talented. At that point, I would rather have the younger game manager who is a little bit cheaper and already on the roster in Tyrod. Either the team makes a big trade for a top 3 QB in the draft or they build around Tyrod. Cousins and any other trade/free agent option isn't that significant of an upgrade over Tyrod in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If it wasn't then it should have been in my opinion. We traded out of a spot with good Quarterback prospects available and on the board to gain another 1st round pick. That can only be justified if you see that pick as currency to move up if you need to in order to secure the Quarterback of the future. I didn't hate the trade back last year, as much as I'd have stayed put and selected Watson, we got an extra 1st in a year when the QB class is good and reasonably deep and we got a player I liked a lot as a prospect in Tre White. If, however, we forego good Quarterback prospects again this draft to pick two positional players I will sour on that initial trade back. Agreed 100%. And if we dont come away with a QB, I'll sour on McBeane and the entire franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I am all for taking a QB in the draft but the Bills cannot afford to give up multiple picks to move up into the top ten. The Bills need to add talent and depth to their roster with this draft. There are many positions that can be upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 IMO Got to get one of the top 5 QBs, I really hope OBD finaly steps up and makes a move for one. I love we got a miracle season into the playoffs this season but to be a great team we need a great QB to lead the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 depending on Sunday, Id keep Tyrod for one more year and be willing to trade both 1st round picks to move up. I would not give up too much to move up as the team as plenty of holes to patch. I say sit and wait and see if a QB comes to you. Bills drafted plenty of 1st round QB's and outside of #12, they weren't worth spit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I would only trade the farm from 20 to 3 to land Darnold or Rosen. Also, I think we upset the Jags so it will be more like 24 to 3. K.C. will probably beat Tennessee and lost to Pittsburgh. So we will have something like the 24th and 25th picks. Something tells me these guys like Peterman a lot more than we do. I think they are comfortable keeping the picks and taking a DT, LB and OL with their first three picks. 9 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Meh. I think I’d rather keep tyrod then roll the dice with Smith. He’s another guy who doesn’t want to throw the ball down the field By traditional QB standards perhaps but he'll still do it more than our current guy. He's basically Taylor but he makes quicker reads. That makes Smith a little better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, DCBongo said: depending on Sunday, Id keep Tyrod for one more year and be willing to trade both 1st round picks to move up. I would not give up too much to move up as the team as plenty of holes to patch. I say sit and wait and see if a QB comes to you. Bills drafted plenty of 1st round QB's and outside of #12, they weren't worth spit. They drafted plenty in the 1st? How many since Kelly? How many did they move up for? Waiting for one to fall, taking what is left, sounds like the last few decades. Taking the QBs that fell to us is more then likely the reason the ones we got werent worth spit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: They drafted plenty in the 1st? How many since Kelly? How many did they move up for? Waiting for one to fall, taking what is left, sounds like the last few decades. Taking the QBs that fell to us is more then likely the reason the ones we got werent worth spit. Isn't it just two in the first since Kelly? Losman (traded up) and EJ (traded down)? Just goes to show it isn't about whether you give up picks or gain picks or stand pat it is about good talent evaluation. If the Bills spend both 1sts and a 2nd on a QB after a trade up and it turns out it is the right QB then the trade up will never ever matter because it is easily worth the cost. If they trade back get another extra 2nd and then pick the wrong QB the extra picks are worthless as well.... because they will be no closer to solving the most important position on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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