hondo in seattle Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Trading up to the top of the draft is so freakin' expensive and drafting QBs is such a crap shoot. I say keep the picks and get the best QB you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 How is this even a question for anyone who knows anything about this franchise?? Of course the right thing to do is package picks and do whatever it takes to get a QB. If we don't get serious and do what it takes to get our guy, there is no point in watching next year. That is "same ol Bills" maintaining the status quo of being a 2nd rate team. GET A QB!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Virgil said: With the announcements of Darnold and Rosen entering the draft, we now have at least 5 QB’s that will most likely go in the first round, maybe all in the top 10. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of quarterback hungry teams out there. If you aren’t in the top 5 and want one, I think the Colts are your chance to trade up, but that’s going to cost us a lot of our picks, if not all of them. So, for those who want one of those QBs, would you sacrifice all those other main picks for him or do you keep the picks, build a solid overall team, and hope for a QB that falls, FA, or next year? Personally, I’m torn because I would love to see a Mayfield here. But I think we could shore up almost every other position with all of our picks and get a lot better still. Then either enter the Cousins sweepstakes or draft one next year when all these teams have their QBs. *I’m assuming most of our picks would be needed to trade from the 20’s to 3. I’d guess both 1sts this year and next, our 2nd and 3rd this year as well. So we’d get Mayfield, a 2nd, 5th major pick this year. Worth it? He was arrested not too long ago, so I am certain he would never don the Bills logo. I do however believe the Bills will trade up for a QB if their top guy falls to 7 or 8 (only if they grade him out as a top 10 pick). If not, then they will stay put and snag whoever falls, or trades down further for future picks. link: Edited January 4, 2018 by ROONDOGG55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: Take your shot to move up and grab your QB. This is the first time in years we've had the ammo to pull something off and get a QB who can lead us for a decade or more. I love this team and TT is incredible how he handled a difficult situation, but this isn't sustainable in the long-term without a QB. lol, what isnt? barely making the playoffs once in 18 years as a sixth seed after 4 tie breakers with the other would be sixth seed??? good, i hope we dont keep sustaining that! point is we need a qb but i say let one slide or trade the farm next year, we can rebuild our lines and get a LB this year, but our picks will all be late 20's since we got them from the rams cheifs and phili. so we wont be getting much for them in a trade up but tons of value in sliding players at the end of round 1 and 2. next year we should be a better team and go 10-6 and at that point we can trade 2 firsts or whatever to get whoevers hot in 2019 if need be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, ROONDOGG55 said: He was arrested not too long ago, so I am certain he would never don the Bills logo. I do however believe the Bills will trade up for a QB if their top guy falls to 7 or 8 (only if they grade him out as a top 10 pick). If not, then they will stay put and snag whoever falls, or trades down further for future picks. Will you be willing to give up both firsts this year, both seconds this year & your first next year to get into the top 5? Because that is what it is going to take. Rosen & Darnold are fine prospects but I don't think they are viewed by scouts as high as when Luck/RG III were coming out. Both of those QBs were viewed as can't miss prospects. I honestly don't think those 2 are viewed like that in NFL Circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Keep the two 1st round picks and trade up in the top of the 2nd for best QB available. Some QB always slides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, joesixpack said: we don't want another Losman situation here. Of course not. I'm just pointing out that 5 Qbs going in the top 10 is unlikely. Aaron Rodgers happened in the same area that the Bills will be picking. Teams never really seem to be as covetous of the QB fans of teams who lack a franchise QB fear will get away. FTR, I'm all for the Bills moving up to get a QB if they feel that strongly about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Gordio said: Will you be willing to give up both firsts this year, both seconds this year & your first next year to get into the top 5? Because that is what it is going to take. Rosen & Darnold are fine prospects but I don't think they are viewed by scouts as high as when Luck/RG III were coming out. Both of those QBs were viewed as can't miss prospects. I honestly don't think those 2 are viewed like that in NFL Circles. Bills brass won't mortgage the future as they've stated time and again that they will build for now and the future. So, in my eyes the most logical move for them is to trade the two 1st round picks to get up to 7 or 8. with the trade value chart (http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/) both of their picks combined are 1520 points while 7 (Bucs) and 8 (Bears) are worth 1500 and 1400. My guess is that the Bucs and Bears would want a little more especially if we're in a bidding war with another team. Trading up to 6 would almost certainly be too steep of a price with it being the Jets, and I doubt we would give up additional picks to move up into the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, ROONDOGG55 said: Bills brass won't mortgage the future as they've stated time and again that they will build for now and the future. So, in my eyes the most logical move for them is to trade the two 1st round picks to get up to 7 or 8. with the trade value chart (http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/) both of their picks combined are 1520 points while 7 (Bucs) and 8 (Bears) are worth 1500 and 1400. My guess is that the Bucs and Bears would want a little more especially if we're in a bidding war with another team. Trading up to 6 would almost certainly be too steep of a price with it being the Jets, and I doubt we would give up additional picks to move up into the top 5. I agree with this. Also keep in mind we have 2 2nd round picks. We could package both 1sts and a 2nd, and get up to #4-#5 and still have a 2nd round pick of our own. We'd still walk out of the draft with 7 picks, including a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollaBills Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Meh. I think I’d rather keep tyrod then roll the dice with Smith. He’s another guy who doesn’t want to throw the ball down the field Statistically he's one of the best QBs at throwing the deep ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I would keep the picks. I am excited to see how much better we will be next year with all the draft picks from rounds 1-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) I'm in the keep the picks camp, Build the Trenches and take a developmental guy. We might have to do that anyway. I don't see the Browns trading the #1 pick nor the Giants the #2. They set themselves up for Rosen/Darnald. The only hope we can have is if the Browns prefer a vet instead and sign Cousins. If they don't they are taking Darnold/Rosen. And the Giants will take the next guy. I'm just imagining the team we could build with all those picks rather than throwing too many of them at one guy. Edited January 4, 2018 by NewEraBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 At this point I think Rudolph is the guy, and I can see them moving into the mid teens to get him. I don't see a trade up much higher than that due to cost. We are likely to end up with a vet, Peterman, and Rudolph heading into camp imo. If they spend bigger on a vet they may pass on QB and get the QB of their D at MLB, as that is also a big priority for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, ROONDOGG55 said: Bills brass won't mortgage the future as they've stated time and again that they will build for now and the future. So, in my eyes the most logical move for them is to trade the two 1st round picks to get up to 7 or 8. with the trade value chart (http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/) both of their picks combined are 1520 points while 7 (Bucs) and 8 (Bears) are worth 1500 and 1400. My guess is that the Bucs and Bears would want a little more especially if we're in a bidding war with another team. Trading up to 6 would almost certainly be too steep of a price with it being the Jets, and I doubt we would give up additional picks to move up into the top 5. This is where I am. I love TT as a person, but he's not the guy. I wish he was. In the coming draft, if the Bills believe X is the guy, get THE guy. We have the ammo to move up. Trading back in last years draft was specifically for the purpose of moving up this year. So was the Darby trade for a 2nd rounder. Now is the time to move up. As mentioned above, we can trade up for a QB and still have a decent amount of picks left to fill out the roster. I expect such a move to cost both #1s. If I have to toss in an additional #2 OR a #3, then I'm OK with that too. I am not in the "we're close, so sign a veteran free agent qb and fill our other needs in the draft" camp. In any case, the free agency period will be very telling this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Pete said: Keep the picks! Let the QB fall to us. IMO pass rushers are a much bigger need for us. I am all for a trade down or two or three as well. I agree. This team has a lot of needs. It would be nice to see both the offensive and defensive lines get improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 We need to draft a QB I'm ok with a move upward still, but it looks like we will not have ot move to far to grab a decent prospect. I don't see us giving up the farm to move into the top 5 A vet / FA QB is also an option but I would not be paying Cousins or Smith a $100m contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I agree with this. Also keep in mind we have 2 2nd round picks. We could package both 1sts and a 2nd, and get up to #4-#5 and still have a 2nd round pick of our own. We'd still walk out of the draft with 7 picks, including a franchise QB. Definitely can be done, but I hope we keep as many picks as possible. Even though we managed to make the playoffs, we have a bunch of holes going into the offseason. 21 minutes ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said: This is where I am. I love TT as a person, but he's not the guy. I wish he was. In the coming draft, if the Bills believe X is the guy, get THE guy. We have the ammo to move up. Trading back in last years draft was specifically for the purpose of moving up this year. So was the Darby trade for a 2nd rounder. Now is the time to move up. As mentioned above, we can trade up for a QB and still have a decent amount of picks left to fill out the roster. I expect such a move to cost both #1s. If I have to toss in an additional #2 OR a #3, then I'm OK with that too. I am not in the "we're close, so sign a veteran free agent qb and fill our other needs in the draft" camp. In any case, the free agency period will be very telling this year. I'm not sure the goal of adding additional draft picks is to move up the following year. If the opportunity presents itself and you have the ammo, then by all means trade up. I just think the reasoning for the additional picks is to add players of their liking. They obviously weren't thrilled with those guys that were traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Important to realize that Tyrod helps mask some of the problems on the OL. He often escapes where most other QBs would get sacked or rush throws (ala Peterman's horrendous half). You could draft the #1 QB, but without a solid OL, they'll be toast too. The big uglies is where it needs to start. Hoping for a couple big monsters to solidify that group. OT, OG, and may even need a center (Wood is adequate for now, but likely not for long). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Important to realize that Tyrod helps mask some of the problems on the OL. He often escapes where most other QBs would get sacked or rush throws (ala Peterman's horrendous half). You could draft the #1 QB, but without a solid OL, they'll be toast too. The big uglies is where it needs to start. Hoping for a couple big monsters to solidify that group. OT, OG, and may even need a center (Wood is adequate for now, but likely not for long). Yes and no. For as many problems that Tyrod masks with his feet, he creates an equal amount by refusing to throw the ball with timing when he should. Tyrod has plenty of opportunity to take the snap, wait a beat, and deliver the ball to a spot like a professional offensive scheme calls for. But he holds the ball waiting to see a wide open WR, protection breaks down, and then he is scrambling. So his legs are really getting him out of his own trouble. Out of all QBs, Tyrod has the longest "Time Before Throw" count at 3.13sec. To put that in perspective, Carr has the shortest with something like 1.3sec. The sweet spot would be if Taylor would step up and rip it around the 2sec mark, but he refuses to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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