The End of the Nathan Peterman Era...

[turftoe]

We may still need Peterman this year in the playoffs. I haven't given up on the guy due to one bad outing.

I'm still rooting for the guy.  Keep your head up Nate! Stay humble, trust in the Lord and he will bless.

[26CornerBlitz]

Tyrod: Remember that time you benched me for what's his name and he threw 5 picks?  

 

McDermott: Yeah, I know I   up.  Sorry man. 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

18 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I'm not sure if McD knew all of the positives that would come out of the decision to bench Taylor for that game, but if he did that is next level coaching. Team came together, and from what I understand, rallied around Taylor AGAINST the coach and his decision making them a more cohesive bunch. 

Not to mention what he learned about his rookie 2 weeks after playing that dreadful half of football when he shook it off and played very good in that blizzard. The dude can flat out coach and has shown it for 8 months. 

 

 

This is all ridiculous. 

 

You're saying he intentionally lost the team, to gain the team. Then something about learning something about Peterman in the blizzard. The guy only played a half and most people who actually think critically about what they are saying, pretty much said that you can't take anything away from that game.

 

Peterman also only played because of Tyrod's injury.  He wasn't doubling down and deciding to give Peterman a chance in the least opportune time... well outside of that time he decided to play him against the best pass rush in the league in LA... but that was great coaching.

 

You're also pointing to the game in which he may have made his worse decision all year in punting.

 

He was showing he was a good coach in May? 

 

Almost everything you said in this post is just gibberish. 

 

Edited January 3, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 hours ago, suorangefan4 said:

Is the entire media so ignorant to the fact that Nathan Peterman won against the Colts afterwards?

You mean Joe Webb.

 

It's really a miracle we made the playoffs this year. I mean if Webb doesn't connect with Thompson late in that game we lose that game.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Tyrod: Remember that time you benched me for what's his name and he threw 5 picks?  

 

McDermott: Yeah, I know I   up.  Sorry man. 

 

 

Disclaimer :  none of this was actually said. 

 

Getting curb stomped by Josh Mccown then no showing at home vs Saints as you lead the 3rd worst offense in the 2018 NFL season will get you benched.        

 

26’s war against accountability rages on. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Dadonkadonk]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

56 yards passing in the Modern NFL. 

9 wins. Playoff QB. And in 5 days it will be 10 wins and join Kelly, Ferguson, Reich, and Kemp as only playoff winning QBs.  

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, grb said:

If I had to guess, I'd bet Dennison & McDermott thought NP didn't have to be ready, the system would triumph over all. Also :

 

 

That was almost certainly the case. I talked pre-season about NFL coaches being "scheme arrogant" and believing that if they can have a guy who can just run their scheme then the scheme will triumph. McDermott and Dennison were not the first to fall into this trap and they won't be the last. 

 

The other thing that was almost certainly at play was their draft picks this year. The Bills know they need a Quarterback of the future. They have the opportunity in a reasonably deep class and with serious pick ammunition to take a shot on one this year. They had a rookie who they obviously liked some (much more than I liked him at least) on the roster and that created an urgency to see at some point what they had. I'm glad they did.... cos they don't have much.

 

Time to put on the big boys pants and take a shot at a proper franchise Quarterback in April. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Billsfan1972]

8 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

I did not say anything about Peterman for MVP nor did i lament Peterman's concussion, as far as the steven Ruiiz clips they were formatted to SELL his story. thats all. 

5 Ints and almost a sixth sold the story all on it's own.  He provided video proof.

 

BTW he even gave Peterman credit for engineering a scoring drive that was two handoffs to McCoy and 75 yards.....

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

But look how it worked out - we made the playoffs.  McDermott has made a couple of decisions I questioned at the time - but some had immediate effects and inevitably they all ended up with us in the playoffs.  Punting in OT against the Colts?  Won that game.  Starting Peterman?  Compare performance of Tyrod and the team before and after and I bet you'll see most things improved.  That's conjecture but probably right.

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

But look how it worked out - we made the playoffs.  McDermott has made a couple of decisions I questioned at the time - but some had immediate effects and inevitably they all ended up with us in the playoffs.  Punting in OT against the Colts?  Won that game.  Starting Peterman?  Compare performance of Tyrod and the team before and after and I bet you'll see most things improved.  That's conjecture but probably right.

And Joe Webb's 34 yard hail mary to Thompson all part of his plan......

 

Maybe the two biggest plays of the year were for me.....  The fifth Peterman Int, because McDermott wanted so badly to be right, he kept trotting him back out there after each and every Int and would have the second half.

 

The Peterman concussion, because win or lose that game (and a loss would have knocked them out of the playoffs) he wanted to see the Peterman experiment through and would have started him vs. Miami explaining that you can't assess a qb playing in a snowstorm.

 

A genius I tell you.....

[Bills Pimpin']

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

This is all ridiculous. 

 

You're saying he intentionally lost the team, to gain the team. Then something about learning something about Peterman in the blizzard. The guy only played a half and most people who actually think critically about what they are saying, pretty much said that you can't take anything away from that game.

 

Peterman also only played because of Tyrod's injury.  He wasn't doubling down and deciding to give Peterman a chance in the least opportune time... well outside of that time he decided to play him against the best pass rush in the league in LA... but that was great coaching.

 

You're also pointing to the game in which he may have made his worse decision all year in punting.

 

He was showing he was a good coach in May? 

 

Almost everything you said in this post is just gibberish. 

 

You are not too bright.

#1. I said I am not sure McD knew all of the good that would come of the decision to start the rookie, it just happened that way. IF he played some of it out in his mind then it is next level. It is not ridiculous at all to think McD thought it was a better idea to start the kid early so it wasn't too late to make up for it if it went badly which obviously it did.

#2. I never said he lost the team on purpose or on accident. You just made that up for some unknown reason. Rallying around a player does not mean a team was lost. That cliche is a joke and I never said.

#3. It makes no difference why NP had to play 3 weeks later and I never said McD wanted to play him. The fact of the matter is that he did play, he played well and the Bills won the game. This says a lot about the kid and he got rave reviews from all the coaches and the players including Tyrod.

#3. Bringing up the punt in the snow game is ridiculous. The bills won the game. It makes no sense to bring up a decision that led to a Bills win if you want to discredit the coach more. SMH.

#4. Yes, he was a good coach in May. Maybe not showing it to the folks at TBD, but yes he was coaching I'm sure. Do you think he wasn't working in May??? FFS.

 

Don't be so simple minded. Think outside the box some. That's what successful people do. That's what McD does. He doesn't just sit around and hope things get better. He makes what seem to be crazy decisions that have so worked out and put the Bills in the playoffs. You believe the bills got in the playoffs in spite of the decisions. That's a bad look.

You should probably wait and go off on the man and the decisions when those decisions lead to like 4-12, you would come off as a much smarter person.

[twoandfourteen]

12 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

56 yards passing in the Modern NFL. 

 

Don't forget....

 

74 yards passing going into the final drive at Carolina. Airmailed the game winning TD pass to Zay Jones. 

 

65 yards passing against New England, who had the worst pass defense in football. 

 

Once he was comfortably down 34-7 against the Jets, he was able to pad the stats in "Tyrod Time".

 

BUT HE ONLY TURNED THE BALL OVER ONCE IN THOSE 4 GAMES!!!!!U!)*Y!(*^!(&T! 

 

 

 

The national media & #teamtyrod's Peterman/McDermott take is literally the laziest & most uninformed opinion possible. 

7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

No it's really not possible. Especially since he did play in that game, and out performed Peterman.

 

You're just wrong, they were just wrong. In the end, it doesn't matter though.

 

And if the kid went in there and lit it up, McD would have looked like a genius and you would all be sleeping in Peterman jerseys right now. 

 

No one knew what would happen going into that game, and I would bet that there were quite a few players in the locker room who were absolutely consulted and supportive of that decision. Taylor's inability to run even a barely functional passing offense against teams other than the Dolphins put Peterman in the conversation. 

 

McDermott was 100% correct and justified pulling Tyrod Taylor. 

[grb]

7 hours ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I'm not sure if McD knew all of the positives that would come out of the decision to bench Taylor for that game, but if he did that is next level coaching. Team came together, and from what I understand, rallied around Taylor AGAINST the coach and his decision making them a more cohesive bunch. 

Not to mention what he learned about his rookie 2 weeks after playing that dreadful half of football when he shook it off and played very good in that blizzard. The dude can flat out coach and has shown it for 8 months. 

 

 

Wow. The most imbecilic coaching decision this year in the NFL morphs into some zen jujitsu move. Whoda thunk it?

 

Reminder :

• Taylor played well against the Bucs
• Taylor played well against the Raiders
• Taylor was one of the few Bills who showed-up to play against the Jets (and played well)
• Taylor played poorly against the Saints and was then benched.

Meanwhile :

• The entire offense was dysfunctional against the Saints. The running backs gained nothing on the ground. The receivers were blanketed. The OC didn't make adjustments. There's a link to a Cover1 study of the game near the beginning of this thread. This is a coaching issue.
• The entire team didn't show up Thursday against the Jets (Taylor being a notable exception). This is definitely a coaching issue.
• The whole defense didn't show up game after game, allowing an average of +400 yds over a long stretch. This a massive coaching issue

Conclusion?

• Do something idiotic; have the team rally against you for being a idiot; have the entire country laughing at you for being a fool; problem solved !!!

Wasn't there an easier way for McDermott to deal with his accumulating mistakes than that?

Edited January 3, 2018 by grb

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 hours ago, Perry Turtle said:

Nobody is saying that Taylor would have kept pace with Rivers.

 

However, if the Bills could have played field position against Rivers, and forced him to go the length of the field, the Bills defense could have contained him.  And Rivers is apt to make a mistake the longer the drive.  The Bills excelled at turning the ball over this year.

 

That's basically the gameplan the Bills rode to the playoffs this year. Force offenses into long drives, which result in opponent mistakes and turnovers.

 

Peterman's 5 interceptions resulted in a pick six and 4 short fields that Rivers took advantage of.  It completely knocked Buffalo out of its gameplan.

 

That's why turnovers are WAY worse than 3 and outs. 

  

 

 

Actually there are quite a few who think believe that.    

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Which thread is dumber this one or the one guy that tried to sell a bunch of land in the Lancaster area by disguising himself as an insider from Dunkirk? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Losses to at New England and at Jacksonville, both by 1 score or less. LA was much better than their 3-6 record, and it showed finishing 9-7.

 

9-3 in their last 12 games, and a lot of those wins were blowouts

40% of Taylors games were 16 points or less.  On of them was a NE game with 3 points in Buffalo.   And TT was benched in the 4th QTR.  

 

Coach, I can't thank you enough for benching me at the start of the Chargers game.   

It taught me that I need to be a QB!!  So thank you from the bottom of my heart!

 

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Which thread is dumber this one or the one guy that tried to sell a bunch of land in the Lancaster area by disguising himself as an insider from Dunkirk? 

 

Hmmmm   

 

There never was a "Peterman era".  And there never was a Spider Webb Trap play. 

But

 

hands down Hanging Chad Bono thread is the sorriest of them all. 

 

[grb]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Don't forget....

 

74 yards passing going into the final drive at Carolina. Airmailed the game winning TD pass to Zay Jones. 

 

65 yards passing against New England, who had the worst pass defense in football. 

 

Once he was comfortably down 34-7 against the Jets, he was able to pad the stats in "Tyrod Time".

 

BUT HE ONLY TURNED THE BALL OVER ONCE IN THOSE 4 GAMES!!!!!U!)*Y!(*^!(&T! 

 

 

 

The national media & #teamtyrod's Peterman/McDermott take is literally the laziest & most uninformed opinion possible. 

 

And if the kid went in there and lit it up, McD would have looked like a genius and you would all be sleeping in Peterman jerseys right now. 

 

No one knew what would happen going into that game, and I would bet that there were quite a few players in the locker room who were absolutely consulted and supportive of that decision. Taylor's inability to run even a barely functional passing offense against teams other than the Dolphins put Peterman in the conversation. 

 

McDermott was 100% correct and justified pulling Tyrod Taylor. 

 

There's a whole lot of stupid in this post. Let's just hit some highlights :

 

"Airmailed the game winning TD pass to Zay Jones" Jones ran an awful route and made an embarrassingly clumsy play on the ball. But worst by far, he had zero idea where the pass was until it was right on top of him, and couldn't make the slightest adjustment to the ball. That's not the way wide-outs run 40yd routes in the NFL - or college, or high school (for that matter).

 

"Once he was comfortably down 34-7 against the Jets, he was able to pad the stats in "Tyrod Time". In the first-half of the Jets game Taylor was  11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. And (of course) no interceptions. This despite the fact he was being hammered by a pass rush pouring thru the o-line like water thru a grate.

 

"And if the kid went in there and lit it up, McD would have looked like a genius and you would all be sleeping in Peterman jerseys right now." And if I win the lottery tonight, won't I be happy?

 

"I would bet that there were quite a few players in the locker room who were absolutely consulted and supportive of that decision"  Observations : (1) Contrary evidence seems to bother you, which is not good. (2) I hope you're not a gambler, as you shouldn't bet on the basis of wishful thinking and pure fantasy.

Edited January 3, 2018 by grb

[Da webster guy]

i liked the move.  in hindsight we still made the playoffs and got a good prospect some game film.   The Chargers defensive line was too much for us to handle, most of Peterman's issues that day stemmed from that. 

I wonder how things might have worked out if differently if stone hands DiMarco had caught the pass that bounced off his hands and gave the Chargers a touchdown.  What if we scored on that drive and moved to a power running approach instead of playing desperately from behind for the rest of the game. 

[xxxxxxxx]

13 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

I still think we should have stuck with NP even after the Chargers debacle, we'd be no worse than where we are right now with TT and who knows we might have found a way to upset the Pats at home with him starting.

 

Either way, despite all the hate and false narratives...NP is still 1-1 as an NFL starter despite both games being less than ideal circumstances (especially the blizzard game against the Colts).

1st Bills QB to make the playoffs since 99 and people are still calling for his head. Sad, so sad.

[Teddy KGB]

52 minutes ago, grb said:

 

There's a whole lot of stupid in this post. Let's just hit some highlights :

 

"Airmailed the game winning TD pass to Zay Jones" Jones ran an awful route and made an embarrassingly clumsy play on the ball. But worst by far, he had zero idea where the pass was until it was right on top of him, and couldn't make the slightest adjustment to the ball. That's not the way wide-outs run 40yd routes in the NFL - or college, or high school (for that matter).

 

"Once he was comfortably down 34-7 against the Jets, he was able to pad the stats in "Tyrod Time". In the first-half of the Jets game Taylor was  11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. And (of course) no interceptions. This despite the fact he was being hammered by a pass rush pouring thru the o-line like water thru a grate.

 

"And if the kid went in there and lit it up, McD would have looked like a genius and you would all be sleeping in Peterman jerseys right now." And if I win the lottery tonight, won't I be happy?

 

"I would bet that there were quite a few players in the locker room who were absolutely consulted and supportive of that decision"  Observations : (1) Contrary evidence seems to bother you, which is not good. (2) I hope you're not a gambler, as you shouldn't bet on the basis of wishful thinking and pure fantasy.

 

 

Edited January 3, 2018 by Teddy KGB