SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Peterman sucked but we have zero proof Taylor would have kept pace with Rivers. Not againt Brady, not against Brees and he certainly did not do it against Kellen Clemens. 6 minutes ago, Schmuggs said: Peterman had two opportunities and !@#$ed them both up. He had his chance and blew it. Two? How did Taylor get his concussion? Not protecting himself maybe? Nate had one sucky game Taylor had 2 for sure. Possibly 3. 40% of Taylors games were 16 points or less. Go ahead and trash Nate and ignore the elephant in the room. Edited January 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
billsredneck1 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Woodman19 said: I am of the opinion that had Tyrod started against the hot Chargers defense that week, Peterman would have been the Chiefs game and probably retained the job for the rest of the season. i hope he stays and gets a chance to compete. he's like an alex smith and as far as traditional qb talent goes, i think he's way better than tyrod. i will cheer the team on no matter with tt but i hope they don't dump the kid. he has a ton of skill.
klos63 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: i hope he stays and gets a chance to compete. he's like an alex smith and as far as traditional qb talent goes, i think he's way better than tyrod. i will cheer the team on no matter with tt but i hope they don't dump the kid. he has a ton of skill. Not trying to start an argument, but how do you come to this conclusion on his talent? He may end up being successful, but he hasn't really shown anything yet.
Perry Turtle Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: Can't argue that if I tried. But in Taylor's benching case, taking a step back may have helped him take 2 forward. The end result speaks louder than the assumptions of the decision being a mistake. That might be true if you believe that the game results were all Taylor's fault. However, up-thread Hapless Bills Fan posts an analysis of the Bills offense against the Saints from Cover 1. They show how the scheme the Bills against the Saints cover 2 was destined to fail. There was more going wrong in that game than just Taylor. From what we've seen from McDermott, benching Taylor was out of character for him. That's why I think it was a mistake on his part; because it was out of character.
billsredneck1 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: Not trying to start an argument, but how do you come to this conclusion on his talent? He may end up being successful, but he hasn't really shown anything yet. he can run a timing offense. he gets the ball out quick and his ball placement is near perfect. that's why i want to see more of him. he got crushed in la, but i don't think we would have won that game no way. then he gets a start in the blizzard and runs a perfct 2 minute 79 yard td. even in the blizzard his ball placement was perfect. i want to see more.
Wily Dog Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: My my....... Peterman for MVP......... Retelling??????? You got to be kidding........ Read these two articles and watch the videos embedded and get back to us..... http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-bills-nathan-peterman-stats-tyrod-taylor-chargers-interceptions My favorite article.... http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-bills-sean-mcdermott-nathan-peterman-tyrod-taylor Another lamenting the Peterman concussion, or he'd be leading the Bills into Jacksonville...... I did not say anything about Peterman for MVP nor did i lament Peterman's concussion, as far as the steven Ruiiz clips they were formatted to SELL his story. thats all.
Perry Turtle Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Peterman sucked but we have zero proof Taylor would have kept pace with Rivers. Nobody is saying that Taylor would have kept pace with Rivers. However, if the Bills could have played field position against Rivers, and forced him to go the length of the field, the Bills defense could have contained him. And Rivers is apt to make a mistake the longer the drive. The Bills excelled at turning the ball over this year. That's basically the gameplan the Bills rode to the playoffs this year. Force offenses into long drives, which result in opponent mistakes and turnovers. Peterman's 5 interceptions resulted in a pick six and 4 short fields that Rivers took advantage of. It completely knocked Buffalo out of its gameplan. That's why turnovers are WAY worse than 3 and outs. 1
Buffalo Boy Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 4 hours ago, KingRex said: or so dubs ESPN PTI in their assessment of McDermott's rookie year as an HC! I have to admit, but these guys are right in their judgment. Starting a 5th round rookie QB for a team in playoff convention really does rank among one of the stupidest coaching decisions in NFL history (it was not only a bad move in terms of short-term goals of giving your team the best chance to compete this year, but it was also an unprecedented move in terms of sensible young player development). However, all is forgiven by the team making the playoffs! I'm just happy the players and Tyrod kept their eye on the prize and focused on simply winning ball games when the "process" apparently called for abandoning the QB that brung you where you are and for pursuing a player development strategy which expected a league consensus 5th round drafted rookie to lead his team to glory. In a game where self-confidence is key, I simply hope McDermoot has not ruined the seemingly talented NP by throwing him to the sharks. Nevertheless the real deal here is despite this McD/and assume Beane screw-up just win baby. Nobody's perfect and at least for a week we are cruising! The Dude barfed ? out a 56 yard performance against the Saints. I applauded McD then and I still do. Starting QBs ( Which is SOOOOO loosely used in this context) simply don’t suck at much as TT and expect any job security. As a motivator, sometimes you have to light a fire under someone’s but to get them moving. The next fire I look forward to is the “ Your Fired” when TT finally gets the boot!
BillsFan4 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Who knows, maybe if McDermott doesn't start Peterman in the Chargers game the rest of the season turns out differently and we miss the playoffs... The team was playing terrible the 2 weeks leading up to that game. They have played much better since going back to Tyrod after that Chargers game. IMO Tyrod has also been playing better since the benching. Maybe the team needed a kick in the rear. Maybe that decision saved the season. Who knows... The way I feel is that you can't just look back in hindsight and change one thing. That's not how it works. Because you don't know what type of ripple effect that change would have on a bunch of other things. I honestly don't think the Bills would have won that Chargers game with Tyrod starting anyway. The whole team played too poorly.
grb Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Who knows, maybe if McDermott doesn't start Peterman in the Chargers game the rest of the season turns out differently and we miss the playoffs... Yep, It's the "A Butterfly Flaps it's Wings in Brazil and so the Bills Get in the Playoffs" doctrine. Chaos Theory - per Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park. Dang if it don't sound ultra scientific. Put that way, it make's McDermott's moronic decision seem - well - as moronic as ever. I'm afraid lipstick will do nothing for that pig; it just keeps on oinking.....
Ol Dirty B Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 5 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: Yeah starting Peterman really decresed the Bills chances of winning against a hot San Diego team on the road. Given how Taylor played against the Saints the week before, it's possible he could have been worse against the Chargers No it's really not possible. Especially since he did play in that game, and out performed Peterman. You're just wrong, they were just wrong. In the end, it doesn't matter though. 2
TigerJ Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 I think starting Peterman versus the Chargers actually sparked a modest improvement in Tyrod's play. I can't prove it any more than the other "would have been different" assertions in this thread can be proven. I don't think starting Peterman for that game has really changed anything about Peterman's future in the NFL. Should he have a career as a starter or not has not been changed by him starting a game and playing for a half. BTW, I don't think Tyrod's improvement is sufficient to get the Bills to reconsider his future with the team. I think they were planning on cutting ties with him before the Chargers game, and they still are, even being in the playoffs. 1
Ol Dirty B Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I think starting Peterman versus the Chargers actually sparked a modest improvement in Tyrod's play. I can't prove it any more than the other "would have been different" assertions in this thread can be proven. I don't think starting Peterman for that game has really changed anything about Peterman's future in the NFL. Should he have a career as a starter or not has not been changed by him starting a game and playing for a half. BTW, I don't think Tyrod's improvement is sufficient to get the Bills to reconsider his future with the team. I think they were planning on cutting ties with him before the Chargers game, and they still are, even being in the playoffs. They've been looking to cut ties with him since last December. 1
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 If we didn’t have a playoff game this weekend I’d be willing to address this topic. At the moment, I have zero desire to worry about the Peterman game. QB is a position that needs to be evaluated during the off season. We have a playoff game to win on Sunday, who cares about Peterman’s one crappy game?
BillsFan130 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 5 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: Yeah starting Peterman really decresed the Bills chances of winning against a hot San Diego team on the road. Given how Taylor played against the Saints the week before, it's possible he could have been worse against the Chargers Bills would have got crushed with TT as well, but how could you possibly say TT would be worse? Peterman had one of the worst half's in NFL history. Maybe the worst 1
26CornerBlitz Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Bills would have got crushed with TT as well, but how could you possibly say TT would be worse? Peterman had one of the worst half's in NFL history. Maybe the worst The Mighty 3-6 Chargers who were on a two game losing streak?
BillsFan130 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Mighty 3-6 Chargers who were on a two game losing streak? Losses to at New England and at Jacksonville, both by 1 score or less. LA was much better than their 3-6 record, and it showed finishing 9-7. 9-3 in their last 12 games, and a lot of those wins were blowouts 1
26CornerBlitz Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Losses to at New England and at Jacksonville, both by 1 score or less. LA was much better than their 3-6 record, and it showed finishing 9-7. 9-3 in their last 12 games, and a lot of those wins were blowouts Lots of soft wins here: http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2017/REG/Chargers Edited January 3, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
BillsFan130 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Lots of soft wins here: http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2017/REG/Chargers Can only beat who they play on their schedule. They were inarguably one of the hottest teams to end of the year winning 9 of 12 and 6 of 7. Would have been a dangerous team in the playoffs
Bills Pimpin' Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, grb said: Yep, It's the "A Butterfly Flaps it's Wings in Brazil and so the Bills Get in the Playoffs" doctrine. Chaos Theory - per Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park. Dang if it don't sound ultra scientific. Put that way, it make's McDermott's moronic decision seem - well - as moronic as ever. I'm afraid lipstick will do nothing for that pig; it just keeps on oinking..... I'm not sure if McD knew all of the positives that would come out of the decision to bench Taylor for that game, but if he did that is next level coaching. Team came together, and from what I understand, rallied around Taylor AGAINST the coach and his decision making them a more cohesive bunch. Not to mention what he learned about his rookie 2 weeks after playing that dreadful half of football when he shook it off and played very good in that blizzard. The dude can flat out coach and has shown it for 8 months.
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