The End of the Nathan Peterman Era...

[twoandfourteen]

6 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

I am not writing off Peterman. I’m saying he wasn’t ready to be put in that chargers game.

 

And yes I understand your points but I don’t agree with the comparisons at all.

 

Here is why...

 

1. Ben has won 2 Super Bowls and is extremely accomplished. Therefore there is absolutely no concern about whether he should have started that bad game /whether he should start the rest of the season 

 

2. Peterman has accomplished nothing. When a 5th round rookie has a historically bad half in his first game, that tells me he wasn’t even close to being ready.

 

So ya people can look away when Ben has a bad game because he’s a very accomplished vet. There is absolutely no concern about whether he will bounce back or not.

 

People are going to have a harder time looking the other way when a 5th round rookie gets plugged into a game in which he had no business being in, and completely crapped the bed.

 

Do you not understand that massive difference?

 

I am not saying Peterman is a bust. I’m simply saying he is not ready yet, and he had no business playing that game.

 

I don’t think one person in Pittsburgh was calling for Landry jones to start against Jax, or after bens bad game.

 

If you don’t understand that, I really don’t know what to tell you lol

 

 

 

I appreciate the time you took to write this, and you're probably mostly correct. But it's irrelevant. I think that you think that I'm making arguments that I'm not making. 

 

My problem lies with the media and idiots around here and their hyperbolic hysterics about Peterman having the "worst game for a QB in NFL history", and then using it to somehow prop up the Tyrod Taylor and his totally useless passing offense. It's simply not true. 

 

I couldn't really care any less about Peterman. If he turns into the next Joe Montana, sweet. If he flames out and is a total bust, oh well that sucks. It's how the narrative is being spun around him to try and make Tyrod look good and McDermott look like the village idiot. The reality is that Taylor was sinking the team with his play and McDermott was 100% justified in making the switch. It was a desperation move, and I give him credit for having the guts to do it. 

 

The fact that you don't agree with the comparison really doesn't matter... because only two QBs in the NFL this year threw 5 INTs in a game. So that's the comparison. It's the only comparison for the 2017 season, because the two events actually happened. 

 

So, for the purposes of my contention -- that the media and #teamtyrod are pushing a lazy and intellectually void narrative -- Ben vs Peterman in their 5INT Throwdown is actually the perfect example of how they are basically fabricating the whole thing.

 

Peterman sucked against the Chargers. But it wasn't the "worst performance by a QB in NFL history", considering a Hall of Fame guy did the exact same thing just a few weeks prior. Ben's game probably wasn't the "worst performance by a QB in NFL history", either. But it was definitely worse than what Peterman did against the Chargers. That's all I'm saying. 

 

I don't really care about what that game means for Peterman and whether or not he's a bust. Only an idiot would write the kid off after one game. Now, if he goes out and throws up on his shoes like that a few more times, then yeah -- probably time to find another line of work. But I think he'll be ok and carve out a nice career for himself as a solid #2/fringe starter. 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

33 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

I appreciate the time you took to write this, and you're probably mostly correct. But it's irrelevant. I think that you think that I'm making arguments that I'm not making. 

 

My problem lies with the media and idiots around here and their hyperbolic hysterics about Peterman having the "worst game for a QB in NFL history", and then using it to somehow prop up the Tyrod Taylor and his totally useless passing offense. It's simply not true. 

 

I couldn't really care any less about Peterman. If he turns into the next Joe Montana, sweet. If he flames out and is a total bust, oh well that sucks. It's how the narrative is being spun around him to try and make Tyrod look good and McDermott look like the village idiot. The reality is that Taylor was sinking the team with his play and McDermott was 100% justified in making the switch. It was a desperation move, and I give him credit for having the guts to do it. 

 

The fact that you don't agree with the comparison really doesn't matter... because only two QBs in the NFL this year threw 5 INTs in a game. So that's the comparison. It's the only comparison for the 2017 season, because the two events actually happened. 

 

So, for the purposes of my contention -- that the media and #teamtyrod are pushing a lazy and intellectually void narrative -- Ben vs Peterman in their 5INT Throwdown is actually the perfect example of how they are basically fabricating the whole thing.

 

Peterman sucked against the Chargers. But it wasn't the "worst performance by a QB in NFL history", considering a Hall of Fame guy did the exact same thing just a few weeks prior. Ben's game probably wasn't the "worst performance by a QB in NFL history", either. But it was definitely worse than what Peterman did against the Chargers. That's all I'm saying. 

 

I don't really care about what that game means for Peterman and whether or not he's a bust. Only an idiot would write the kid off after one game. Now, if he goes out and throws up on his shoes like that a few more times, then yeah -- probably time to find another line of work. But I think he'll be ok and carve out a nice career for himself as a solid #2/fringe starter. 

 

 

I agree most of your points there, except the Big Ben comparison. We will just agree to disagree on that one haha.

 

But no, I can't say I blame Mcd for trying something different as TT was ineffective. But at the same time, it kind of was a head scratcher how he thought Peterman would be ready for a tough LA defence on the road.

 

It ended up being the wrong decision, but Bills weren't going to beat the Chargers with TT anyways.

 

In regards to Peterman, the odds are for sure stacked against him as he is a 5th round pick with a limited skill set, but you never know I guess.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

How exactly was Mcd right? 

 

Im not going to bash him for trying Peterman because TT wasn’t getting It done, but in hindsight the move to start Peterman was clearly wrong.

 

He even admitted he was wrong by going back to TT the next week

Unless the move was a clear message to Taylor.  Play the QB position the way we game plan for it!!! 

 

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I wasn't aware it ever started 

[Nihilarian]

On 1/2/2018 at 6:20 PM, buffalo2218 said:

Yeah starting Peterman really decresed the Bills chances of winning against a hot San Diego team on the road. Given how Taylor played against the Saints the week before, it's possible he could have been worse against the Chargers

Yep!

 

It looks to me like benching TT made him feel like a red-hot poker was just shoved up his backside and perhaps made him more afraid of losing his starting job over the fear of the opponents pass rush.

 

People forget that week 10 TT Saints performance of 9 of 18 for 56 yards, 1 INT, 2 sacks after 3/4 of the game with a 33.6 QBR. TT was benched and Peterman came in against a very good NO defense and went 7 of 10 for 79 yards, 1 TD with a QBR of 126.7 all in the fourth quarter.

 

It all started the week previous at the NYJets in which TT was sacked 7 times for 41 yards. That Jets game went thus- PUNT-PUNT-TD-PUNT-FUMBLE-PUNT-PUNT-PUNT-FUMBLE=FUMBLE-DOWNS-TD-TD. So, in looking back at the stats TT didn't look so that bad until you break down the drive charts and you see TT didn't do much until the last 2:32 of that game.

 

It's my take that MCD did the right thing at the right time. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

On 1/3/2018 at 12:18 PM, grb said:

 

Taylor played poorly against the Saints and was then benched.

 

He didn't just play poorly in that game.  He was atrocious.  It was as bad as the EJ performance in Houston that finally had him benched.  Now I said at the time I thought it was premature to go to Peterman.  My view was you ride it through that run of Chargers, Chiefs and Patriots and if you lose all 3 you are out then you turn the keys over to Peterman for the remainder of the year and see what you have (even though I personally always believed the answer was "not much"). 

 

It was a mistake and McD did a good job to turn things back around after that because the season could have spiralled quickly.  But as I have said before I think the combination of coaches "scheme arrogance" and the fact that having ammunition in this draft to get a QB created a sense of urgency (no that wouldn't be the word......... the word I'm looking for is................ "urgency") around seeing Peterman play.  

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He didn't just play poorly in that game.  He was atrocious.  It was as bad as the EJ performance in Houston that finally had him benched.  Now I said at the time I thought it was premature to go to Peterman.  My view was you ride it through that run of Chargers, Chiefs and Patriots and if you lose all 3 you are out then you turn the keys over to Peterman for the remainder of the year and see what you have (even though I personally always believed the answer was "not much"). 

 

It was a mistake and McD did a good job to turn things back around after that because the season could have spiralled quickly.  But as I have said before I think the combination of coaches "scheme arrogance" and the fact that having ammunition in this draft to get a QB created a sense of urgency (no that wouldn't be the word......... the word I'm looking for is................ "urgency") around seeing Peterman play.  

 

 

Incognito was on FS1 last night and he was asked about the Blizzard game as a turning point for the Bills never giving up.   

 

Taylor was injured and couldn't start  that game.  Nate played very well in "adverse" conditions until he was head butted on his dive.    Had that not happened and the Bills continued well on offense the Nate era might have begun then.     Joe Webb played OK in relief, but it was clear Nate is the #2 QB.    

 

Edited January 4, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Unless the move was a clear message to Taylor.  Play the QB position the way we game plan for it!!! 

 

 

Lol I don’t know man. They were 5 and 4 in the middle of a playoff race. That wasn’t a time to “send a message “.

 

He just got the decision wrong. He of course thought Peterman would give their offence a boost

[26CornerBlitz]

By ALBERT BREER : https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/04/sean-mcdermott-buffalo-bills-wild-card-playoffs-mmqb-notes

 

January 04, 2018

The real test for Sean McDermott came exactly when you probably figured it did—right after the Nathan Peterman debacle.

 

The Bills had cooled off after a hot start, losing by double-digits to the Jets and Saints in Weeks 9 and 10. Looking for a spark, the Buffalo coach benched Tyrod Taylor. He turned to Peterman, who promptly threw five picks in a little over two quarters. The Bills lost 54-24 to the Chargers. And everyone in the locker room was looking to see how McDermott would respond.

 

A lot of first-year head coaches wouldn’t have the way McDermott did. He buried his ego. He fell on the sword. As one vet laid it out, “He’d explained why he was benching Tyrod and promoting Nate. No one saw that coming into the (Charger) game. And after the game, he owned it with the team. We discussed and moved forward, united behind Tyrod and Coach.”

 

And it was over, just like that. Everyone else kept talking about it. The Bills didn’t.

 

“I just believe in being honest with my team, whether I’m right or wrong,” McDermott said from his office Wednesday night. “We all make mistakes. From a leadership standpoint, if I can try and communicate the best I can in sharing information I have with my team, then we’ll able to move forward. There’s also part of it, being vulnerable with my players, and being open, and being able to say, ‘Listen, if I made the wrong decision, I’ll admit it, and we’ll move on.’

[Greybeard]

On 1/2/2018 at 6:50 PM, PIZ said:

Heard a clip of Deon Sanders of all people the other day.  He talked about the benching of Tyrod for the Chargers game.  He said "why would you bench your QB when you're in contention".  This is not verbatim, but he said when he looked into it and talked to the players, he found out that it was justified, and the players thought it was needed.  He felt Tyrod needed that to look at his game and make adjustments.

        I think TT has looked better since the Peterman start.  TT has even thrown a couple of quick passes leading the receiver.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, billsfan11 said:

Lol I don’t know man. They were 5 and 4 in the middle of a playoff race. That wasn’t a time to “send a message “.

 

He just got the decision wrong. He of course thought Peterman would give their offence a boost

with 3 horrible games 

 

In one months time TT had a QB rating of  under 35, not once but twice  A message was desperately needed. 

[BillsFan130]

36 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

with 3 horrible games 

 

In one months time TT had a QB rating of  under 35, not once but twice  A message was desperately needed. 

He was bad for sure, which is why he made the change.

 

I'm just saying I cant see him switching TT when they are in the middle of a playoff race just to send him a message.

 

Mcd is doing everything in his power to win that game at LA, and he obviously thought Peterman gave them a better chance to win. (Although that clearly wasn't the case)

[Woodman19]

At least Peterman makes mistakes trying to do what a QB is supposed to do, pass the ball and trusting players to make plays for him.  Iron out the aggressiveness and you may have something.

[grb]

On 1/3/2018 at 8:23 PM, What a Tuel said:

 

In other words Tyrod threw to the wrong shoulder but you think it was the right call. Turns out it wasn't cause we lost the game. Tyrod makes the proper throw there and Jones walks into the endzone.

 

This is a theme with Tyrod where his WR's are constantly "adjusting to the ball" because of the inaccuracy.

 

Really? Some points :

• If Taylor makes the throw you want then (a) it's into coverage, and (b) out of bounds at the five yard line. There is no "walking into the endzone" with the throw you want. There was easily "walking into the endzone" with the pass Taylor threw. Coincidence? I think not.
• If Taylor makes the throw you want it's probably not even a completion. Jones was running right into coverage and out of bounds. One of the reporters (I think Sal Capaccio) was standing a few feet away on the sidelines and said he didn't think Jones had any chance given where he was taking the route.
• Even if you don't believe Taylor was throwing towards the endzone and away from coverage (which is your right), you still have a big problem : Taylor's throw may have been slightly off, but no where near as off as Jones' route. Taylors throw was towards the pylon. Look at your own photos.
• Even tho Jones' route was terrible, even tho Jones' play on the ball was embarrassing, the pass still went thru his fingertips. Makes you believe it would have been an easy catch if Jones wasn't in panic mode - being out of place with no idea where the ball was.
• Real NFL receivers regular adjust to the ball on a long route. It's an elemental skill. Jones didn't realize where he was and he didn't track the ball.

Edited January 5, 2018 by grb

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

20 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

He was bad for sure, which is why he made the change.

 

I'm just saying I cant see him switching TT when they are in the middle of a playoff race just to send him a message.

 

Mcd is doing everything in his power to win that game at LA, and he obviously thought Peterman gave them a better chance to win. (Although that clearly wasn't the case)

It was a gamble, like many moves and or plays that fail in the NFL.  

 

The Million $ Q - Were we better because of it?   Not sure if we will ever know the full story.  

 

Edited January 5, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[GreggTX]

The Peterman Era? Newsflash guys. He hasn't had an "era" and he's still a rookie so his career is far from over. Also, we already know Tyrod is not the answer so why not give the rookie start one when your starter is playing poorly. I'm glad we made the playoffs, but my focus is on the future. I will be deeply disappointed if TT starts our next regular season game. Everyone seems to think all Nate did was that 1st half and they forget the game he won, even though he didn't finish or the other times he played well. He may never be a starter, but his story is nowhere near finished. It's so easy to look smart when you have only hindsight going for you.

[bdutton]

On 1/2/2018 at 6:19 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

Better known as the Nathan Peterman Error.  

Better yet, "The Peterman Principle"

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

It was a gamble, like many moves and or plays that fail in the NFL.  

 

The Million $ Q - Were we better because of it?   Not sure if we will ever know the full story.  

 

For sure. I’m not going to criticize him too much for the decision.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, bdutton said:

On 1/2/2018 at 6:19 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

Better known as the Nathan Peterman Error.  

Better yet, "The Peterman Principle"

Better yet  - Taylor sucks right now and we're getting desperate.  

[Lfod]

On 1/4/2018 at 7:50 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

He didn't just play poorly in that game.  He was atrocious.  It was as bad as the EJ performance in Houston that finally had him benched.  Now I said at the time I thought it was premature to go to Peterman.  My view was you ride it through that run of Chargers, Chiefs and Patriots and if you lose all 3 you are out then you turn the keys over to Peterman for the remainder of the year and see what you have (even though I personally always believed the answer was "not much"). 

 

It was a mistake and McD did a good job to turn things back around after that because the season could have spiralled quickly.  But as I have said before I think the combination of coaches "scheme arrogance" and the fact that having ammunition in this draft to get a QB created a sense of urgency (no that wouldn't be the word......... the word I'm looking for is................ "urgency") around seeing Peterman play.  

 

 

I was in favor of benching Tyrod. Even though we would disagree at the time, I like the way you present your view. I think even though you thought it was premature and you were correct, that you could understand why the move was made even though you didn't like it. At least I get that impression. 

 

That's all I could ever ask for. Yes those in favor of starting Peterman at the time turned out to be wrong. I just feel people should have an understanding of why the move was made. That's the thing I think some people are missing. I just hope that people would keep an open mind and entertain the idea that it could of possibly turned out different.

Edited January 5, 2018 by Lfod