The End of the Nathan Peterman Era...

[Lfod]

19 minutes ago, grb said:

 

The dead-enders defending the Peterman decision have settled on one critical tactic : They seem to recognize the absurdity of benching Taylor for the Saints game alone, so the record of TNF versus the Jets must be rewritten at all cost. But there are these irksome problems to be expected when you try to substitute fiction for fact. First, the 4th quarter garbage time crap is as phony as three dollar bill. In the first-half of the Jets game Taylor was  11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. And - needless to say - no interceptions. Taylor didn't just play well in the Fourth, he played well the entire game. You might try any of accounts from Bills' sportswriter or commentators at the time for a second confirmation. Everyone said Taylor played well; you'll find no one to support your fiction....

I'm still waiting on the Tyrod can song. What would you say about the Panthers game? No one ever responded to that and I've brought it up so many times. Did we even score a touchdown against the Pats?

 

 I don't hate the choice to see what we had in Tyrod. I don't hate the choice to see what we had in Peterman. I don't hate any choice anyone makes to improve the situation even if it doesn't work out. An error isn't an error until you refuse to correct it.

 

None of you guys ever take a risk and fail? Never fell off your bike after trying to do a trick or get rejected by a girl trying to see if you can get anywhere? Everything went perfect your whole life?

Edited January 3, 2018 by Lfod

[What a Tuel]

11 minutes ago, grb said:

 

The dead-enders defending the Peterman decision have settled on one critical tactic : They seem to recognize the absurdity of benching Taylor for the Saints game alone, so the record of TNF versus the Jets must be rewritten at all cost. But there are these irksome problems to be expected when you try to substitute fiction for fact. First, the 4th quarter garbage time crap is as phony as a three dollar bill. In the first-half of the Jets game Taylor was  11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. And - needless to say - no interceptions. Taylor didn't just play well in the Fourth, he played well the entire game. You might try any of accounts from Bills' sportswriter or commentators at the time for a second confirmation. Everyone said Taylor played well; you'll find no one to support your fiction....

 

 

The eternal question : Dishonest or Delusional?

 

Taylor, First-half of the Jets game :  11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass.

Also : No interceptions. 

 

 

Tyrod Taylors drives in the 1st half were:

 

PUNT 3 and out 1:40 drive

PUNT 5 and out 2:55 drive

TD 8 plays 3:16

PUNT 6 and out 3:35 drive

TURNOVER 8 and fumble 2:23 drive

 

If you think that equals success in the NFL then , but I don't. QBs lead sustained drives. I like Tyrod, and at this moment he gives us the best chance to win, but he needs to extend drives.

 

Let's go to the 2nd half, only down 3 points, still in the game and we get the ball to start the half!

 

PUNT 3 and out 1:21 drive

PUNT 3 and out 1:20 drive

PUNT 3 and out 1:30 drive

FUMBLE 4 and out 1:44 drive

FUMBLE 5 and out 1:35 drive

TURNOVER ON DOWNS 3 and out 0:52 drive

TD 10 plays 2:26 drive

TD 7 plays 1:41 drive

 

 

 

 

 

 

[grb]

38 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I'm still waiting on the Tyrod can song. What would you say about the Panthers game? No one ever responded to that and I've brought it up so many times. Did we even score a touchdown against the Pats?

 

I would say several things about the Panthers game :

• Taylor played poorly
• Dennison bears a much larger responsibility for that offensive fiasco than for games later in the season
• The Bills running backs gained 14 yards total ....... the entire freaking game
• The Panthers didn't even bother to stack the box per NextGenStats
• Taylor accounted for 80% of the running game, 90% of the total offense, 100% of the first downs
• That game would have impossible in '16 (Dennison again)
• Taylor ran a stereotypical Fourth Quarter Winning Drive - including overcoming a bogus offensive PI call - but :
• Poor Zay Jones had no ball awareness. He could have ran the play thru and the pass would have dropped over his left shoulder. But by the time he located the pass, it was already overhead. That necessitated his clumsy stutter-step, leap straight up, and awkard play on the ball.
• Did I mention Dennison?

 

Edited January 3, 2018 by grb

[What a Tuel]

3 minutes ago, grb said:

 

I would say several things about the Panthers game :

• Taylor played poorly
• Dennison bears a much larger responsibility for that offensive fiasco than for games later in the season
• The Bills running backs gained 14 yards total ....... the entire freaking game
• The Panthers didn't even bother to stack the box per NextGenStats
• Taylor accounted for 80% of the running game, 90% of the total offense, 100% of the first downs
• That game would have impossible in '16 (Dennison again)
• Taylor ran a stereotypical Fourth Quarter Winning Drive - including overcoming a bogus offensive PI call - but :
• Poor Zay Jones had no ball awareness. He could have ran the play thru and the pass would have dropped over his left shoulder. But by the time he located the pass, it was already overhead. That necessitated his clumsy stutter-step, leap straight up, and clumsy play on the ball.
• Did I mention Dennison?

 

 

Ball awareness?  How about Tyrod having WR awareness?

Edited January 3, 2018 by What a Tuel

[Bills Pimpin']

5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Peterman wasn't ready and was pathetic.......  Maybe one day he'll be ready, like Fales was vs. the Bills......

 

You guys are pathetic in your defense of the decision and his play......

 

Please point out the 2 good passes he threw and that 3 of the Ints weren't his fault.  I need that one again.

 

And Teef I'm not arguing, you don't listen to Simmons and I simply pointed out the conversation.  Isn't this thread about the two old coots on PTI making fun of Peterman and they know nothing either?

Here is your Bill Simmons....

simmons.mp3

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

Sorry, late to this party BUT that statement above is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

 

A rookie plays one half of a football game and is immediately deemed a BUST.

 

WIWWY

You need to pardon 26NateHater.  

 

Hes got an unatural issue with this kid.   

 

 

3 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Ball awareness?  How about Tyrod having WR awareness?

Same may apply to grb.   

 

Both are on my ignore list and for good reason.  

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Here is your Bill Simmons....

simmons.mp3

That was tongue in cheek immediately following the game (not this week) and they are laughing......  It is a classic Simmons take.......  How about the whole podcast, which I did listen to.....

[grb]

23 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Tyrod Taylors drives in the 1st half were:

 

PUNT 3 and out 1:40 drive

PUNT 5 and out 2:55 drive

TD 8 plays 3:16

PUNT 6 and out 3:35 drive

TURNOVER 8 and fumble 2:23 drive

 

If you think that equals success in the NFL then , but I don't. QBs lead sustained drives. I like Tyrod, and at this moment he gives us the best chance to win, but he needs to extend drives.

 

Let's go to the 2nd half, only down 3 points, still in the game and we get the ball to start the half!

 

PUNT 3 and out 1:21 drive

PUNT 3 and out 1:20 drive

PUNT 3 and out 1:30 drive

FUMBLE 4 and out 1:44 drive

FUMBLE 5 and out 1:35 drive

TURNOVER ON DOWNS 3 and out 0:52 drive

TD 10 plays 2:26 drive

TD 7 plays 1:41 drive

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

• Even when two drives heading for points are torpedoed by fumbles?
• Even with 99 yards lost to penalties? This year the worst team in the NFL (Seattle) only averaged 83yds per game
• Even with Taylor repeatedly having a pass rush in his face the very second he set to throw?

Let me emphasize this again : Go back and look at all accounts after the game and you'll find three common observations  : 

• Taylor played well
• Taylor showed up - and a lot of Bills seemingly didn't
• Taylor was under relentless pressure, because the o-line was awol.

No one is buying what you're selling. Go watch the game again....

Edited January 3, 2018 by grb

[87168]

37 minutes ago, Luka said:

It wasn't a mistake, it was a calculated risk. NO ONE predicted that Peterman would throw 5 picks in the first half. Any other team with a QB playing as poorly as Tyrod was would've benched him. It's over and done with. Tyrod lost the Carolina and Cinci game which were just as important to the season and was absolutely miserable to watch in the Saints game. And he wasn't playing well enough to imagine him coming close to beating the Chargers. Not so much a bad idea, just a really bad result.

if you are not willing to make the same decision, knowing the outcome, then it is a mistake. mistakes happen...no need to refute them

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

e·ra

ˈirə,ˈerə/

noun

noun: era; plural noun: eras

1. a long and distinct period of history with a particular feature or characteristic.

   "his death marked the end of an era"

   ..somehow, the Peterman ERA does not fit my Funk and Wagnalls definition (unless Peterman is dead; prolly so with the TBD "One & Done Gang")..and how the heck does the Peterman ERA morph into a TT discussion?..

Edited January 3, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[grb]

8 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Ball awareness?  How about Tyrod having WR awareness?

 

You might want to actually watch the play. 

My account is correct.

[What a Tuel]

18 minutes ago, grb said:

 

• Even when two drives heading for points are torpedoed by fumbles?
• Even with 99 yards lost to penalties? This year the worst team in the NFL (Seattle) only averaged 83yds per game
• Even with Taylor with a pass rush in his face the second he set to throw?

Let me emphasize this again : Go back and look at all accounts after the game and you'll find three common observations  : 

• Taylor played well
• Taylor showed up - and a lot of Bills seemingly didn't
• Taylor was under relentless pressure, because the o-line was awol.

No one is buying what you're selling. Go watch the game again....

 

If the offense had any penalties in the first half, it was one false start. Tyrod did take several sacks though which contributed to the 3 and outs.

 

Hey if you and the "experts" can look at those drives and say "That's an NFL QB" then all the power to you. To me QB's should be driving down the field and extending drives. Then the Saints game was confirmation that we were getting off track with consistent 3 and outs. 

 

Don't get me wrong the defense had a part to play in that awful 3 game streak, but just like Peterman giving the ball to the Chargers through picks, Tyrod was giving the ball to the Jets and Saints through punting and putting the defense right back on the field.

 

15 minutes ago, grb said:

 

You might want to actually watch the play. 

My account is correct.

 

No. The WR was running a route towards out of bounds. When Tyrod saw Zay, he saw the direction he was running, and threw it to the wrong shoulder. Zay Jones makes an incredible adjustment while running to even make it a catchable throw. 10% Zay Jones, 90% Tyrod Taylors fault.

Edited January 3, 2018 by What a Tuel

[Bills Pimpin']

43 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

That was tongue in cheek immediately following the game (not this week) and they are laughing......  It is a classic Simmons take.......  How about the whole podcast, which I did listen to.....

It was not immediately after the game. It was a week and a half later after the Chiefs game that Tyrod won. Do yourself a favor and don't talk **** you don't know about. Do some research. 

And I also listened this week and it was a typical pathetic take on the Bills by a national media douchebag. I'm sure you agreed with every word.

38 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

e·ra

ˈirə,ˈerə/

noun

noun: era; plural noun: eras

1. a long and distinct period of history with a particular feature or characteristic.

   "his death marked the end of an era"

   ..somehow, the Peterman ERA does not fit my Funk and Wagnalls definition (unless Peterman is dead; prolly so with the TBD "One & Done Gang")..and how the heck does the Peterman ERA morph into a TT discussion?..

You are so right, the Chargers game was a Peterman START in the Taylor ERA. 

It morphed into a TT discussion because the Tyrod maniacs are so disgusted that McD could possibly bench their wonderful QB so the pitchforks came out. Even if said benching could have possibly fired up the QB to lead the team to the playoffs over the past 6 weeks. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by Bills Pimpin'

[cd1]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's not based on just how he performed in the LAC game and a 5th round rookie QB cannot be a bust.  Pay attention. 

WOW - you are so darned impressive. 

A person with your abilities should be a god damn NFL scout.

 

/end sarcasm

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, cd1 said:

WOW - you are so darned impressive. 

A person with your abilities should be a god damn NFL scout.

 

/end sarcasm

 

It’s nice to see people call that hater out.

 

The guy thinks he is better and more knowledgeable than everyone because he is the king of copy and paste.  

[Billsfan1972]

45 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

It was not immediately after the game. It was a week and a half later after the Chiefs game that Tyrod won. Do yourself a favor and don't talk **** you don't know about. Do some research. 

And I also listened this week and it was a typical pathetic take on the Bills by a national media douchebag. I'm sure you agreed with every word.

You are so right, the Chargers game was a Peterman START in the Taylor ERA. 

It morphed into a TT discussion because the Tyrod maniacs are so disgusted that McD could possibly bench their wonderful QB so the pitchforks came out. Even if said benching could have possibly fired up the QB to lead the team to the playoffs over the past 6 weeks. 

It was not tongue in cheek?  Cousin Sal even mentions the tiebreaker.  But McDermott knew they'd win it?

 

Listen I am the one who said -7 would make the playoffs, but not 8-7-1.....

 

I also said back in November they'd probably meet Jax and definitely could win.

 

Boy I'm way off aren't I?

Edited January 4, 2018 by Billsfan1972

[grb]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

No. The WR was running a route towards out of bounds. When Tyrod saw Zay, he saw the direction he was running, and threw it to the wrong shoulder. Zay Jones makes an incredible adjustment while running to even make it a catchable throw. 10% Zay Jones, 90% Tyrod Taylors fault.

 

The one thing I didn't want to do is re-litigate that one play again, but here we are :

 

(1) Jones ran an atrocious route. Even assuming it a front pylon throw, Jones was shallowing-out by five or six yards, running right towards the sideline & into coverage.

(2) Taylor threw the ball inside, away from the cornerback and leading into the endzone. Now, there are two choices here : You can assume that's a coincidence & it was a slightly off-throw. Or you can assume it a conscious choice - throwing to the open spot and away from coverage. The second choice is certainly the way it appears, but I concede it can't be proved either way. Nor does it matter that much.

(3) Because : When you run sideline out, you turn and expect the ball in your hands. When you run forty yards downfield, it's expected you track and adjust to the ball. Jones didn't do that. He drifted towards the sideline on his strange mutant route, finally looked back, and was then panicked to discover the ball over his head. But even then ..... even after his weird little stutter-step and clumsy vertical leap .... the ball still grazed through his fingertips.

(4) So : The adjustment to pull the ball in over his left shoulder would have been microscopic. He didn't have to stop running and jump straight up; all he needed to do was know where the ball was before it was right overhead. NFL receivers do that every game when running long routes.

(5) It's not just that Watkins would have made that catch ten-of-ten times - or AJ Green, or Antonio Brown - it's that you would have never seen even the slightest hitch before they hauled it in. It would have looked smooth as silk. There is a reason pure speed doesn't automatically translate into a deep threat. Basic skills are also required.

(6) There's also a reason why Jones was all broken-up over the play - Why his teammates made such an ostentatious show supporting him. They all knew were the blame lay.

 

So should you.....

 

Edited January 4, 2018 by grb

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

Hurry up and leave as you proclaimed in the other thread.  

 

I don’t know why you keep regurgitating the same nonsense about the Chargers game. 

 

Bills offense ranks 29th of 32 in case you have forgotten.     When your starting QBs sucks this bad, he gets the hook.  

 

Give it a rest already.    Coach was right.   You continue to be wrong.  

How exactly was Mcd right? 

 

Im not going to bash him for trying Peterman because TT wasn’t getting It done, but in hindsight the move to start Peterman was clearly wrong.

 

He even admitted he was wrong by going back to TT the next week

[What a Tuel]

55 minutes ago, grb said:

 

The one thing I didn't want to do is re-litigate that one play again, but here we are :

 

(1) Jones ran an atrocious route. Even assuming it a front pylon throw, Jones was shallowing-out by five or six yards, running right towards the sideline & into coverage.

(2) Taylor threw the ball inside, away from the cornerback and leading into the endzone. Now, there are two choices here : You can assume that's a coincidence & it was a slightly off-throw. Or you can assume it a conscious choice - throwing to the open spot and away from coverage. The second choice is certainly the way it appears, but I concede it can't be proved either way. Nor does it matter that much.

(3) Because : When you run sideline out, you turn and expect the ball in your hands. When you run forty yards downfield, it's expected you track and adjust to the ball. Jones didn't do that. He drifted towards the sideline on his strange mutant route, finally looked back, and was then panicked to discover the ball over his head. But even then ..... even after his weird little stutter-step and clumsy vertical leap .... the ball still grazed through his fingertips.

(4) So : The adjustment to pull the ball in over his left shoulder would have been microscopic. He didn't have to stop running and jump straight up; all he needed to do was know where the ball was before it was right overhead. NFL receivers do that every game when running long routes.

(5) It's not just that Watkins would have made that catch ten-of-ten times - or AJ Green, or Antonio Brown - it's that you would have never seen even the slightest hitch before they hauled it in. It would have looked smooth as silk. There is a reason pure speed doesn't automatically translate into a deep threat. Basic skills are also required.

(6) There's also a reason why Jones was all broken-up over the play - Why his teammates made such an ostentatious show supporting him. They all knew were the blame lay.

 

So should you.....

 

 

In other words Tyrod threw to the wrong shoulder but you think it was the right call. Turns out it wasn't cause we lost the game. Tyrod makes the proper throw there and Jones walks into the endzone.

 

This is a theme with Tyrod where his WR's are constantly "adjusting to the ball" because of the inaccuracy.

Edited January 4, 2018 by What a Tuel

[billsredneck1]

wow this thread is pathetic. i read the op and last page. i still can't believe on this date there is this crap taking up space. when tt is gone after this season hopefully the jockstrap sniffers will go with him. until then i hope he plays great and wish him and the team the best.