Lfod Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No right thinking coach would start a ROOKIE FIFTH ROUND PICK in a game with serious playoff implications...... That is what he did and it was absolutely wrong and the results speak for themselves..... Of course if you drink the Koolaid you'll tell me it was part of his master plan that makes him so much smarter then everyone else and that it lit a fire under Tyrod..... Oops forgot the defense that was torched for 3 straight weeks and absolutely no repercussions for any defensive players...... How comical some of you are...... The Peterman starting situation is over. It's ok to let go. It's ok for some one to have an opinion. It didn't cost the coach his job did it? It didn't cost of the playoffs did it? Almost what happened doesn't matter. I think everyone can agree after the fact that it was a bad move. I just find it very dishonest to say without a doubt that people had the crystal ball telling them about 5 picks in the future. They made a calculated risk it failed miserable. If you can't appreciate some one taking a risk to be better then that's you. That's not everybody and your not the authority on it. Your just a guy with an opinion so speaking in absolutes does nothing for your cause. The offense didn't play well. Did you watch the Panthers game? Something like 3 points on offence. The offense couldn't score one touchdown to win the game. Your ok with that and that's fine. Preach. Go fire the coach man, I believe in you. People play the lottery take and make gambles. It's only stupid if you lose but not everyone does. There are millionaires out there made with luck. Edited January 3, 2018 by Lfod
Luka Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 It wasn't a mistake, it was a calculated risk. NO ONE predicted that Peterman would throw 5 picks in the first half. Any other team with a QB playing as poorly as Tyrod was would've benched him. It's over and done with. Tyrod lost the Carolina and Cinci game which were just as important to the season and was absolutely miserable to watch in the Saints game. And he wasn't playing well enough to imagine him coming close to beating the Chargers. Not so much a bad idea, just a really bad result.
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, teef said: come on 72. first off, who cares where a rookie was drafted? apparently he looked good in practice, and mcd thought it could provide a spark. it obviously was a wrong call, so time to move on. second, it was taylor's play that made that decision a consideration in the first place. how bad does your starter have to be to replace him with....as you love to say...A ROOKIE FIFTH ROUND PICK??? Ah let me think...... Anyone with knowledge of football........ Yes he being a FIFTH ROUND draft pick was an important factor.....
Koko78 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 22 hours ago, KingRex said: or so dubs ESPN PTI in their assessment of McDermott's rookie year as an HC! I have to admit, but these guys are right in their judgment. Starting a 5th round rookie QB for a team in playoff convention really does rank among one of the stupidest coaching decisions in NFL history (it was not only a bad move in terms of short-term goals of giving your team the best chance to compete this year, but it was also an unprecedented move in terms of sensible young player development). However, all is forgiven by the team making the playoffs! I'm just happy the players and Tyrod kept their eye on the prize and focused on simply winning ball games when the "process" apparently called for abandoning the QB that brung you where you are and for pursuing a player development strategy which expected a league consensus 5th round drafted rookie to lead his team to glory. In a game where self-confidence is key, I simply hope McDermoot has not ruined the seemingly talented NP by throwing him to the sharks. Nevertheless the real deal here is despite this McD/and assume Beane screw-up just win baby. Nobody's perfect and at least for a week we are cruising! Starting Peterman lit a fire under Tyrod's ass, which helped carry the team into the playoffs. I'd say the experiment worked pretty well. 1
CardinalScotts Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) when your last in passing offense and your qb has not topped 200 (not 300 mind you) 200 yards 8 times. Including games of 56 and 65 yards, i agree with McDermott you don't say well thats okay your well liked. You say Jeez Tyrod not good enough and light a fire under his ass. He's played better since coming back including 3 -200 yd games to end the season. I like him as a person but he's not a good enough qb- but im also not going to rooting against him. Peterman will be the back up next year and we all know we aren't beating the chargers with tyrod or peterman or anyone else McDermott was able to get the ship into port with what we wanted (playoffs) Edited January 3, 2018 by CardinalScotts
Luka Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, teef said: come on 72. first off, who cares where a rookie was drafted? apparently he looked good in practice, and mcd thought it could provide a spark. it obviously was a wrong call, so time to move on. second, it was taylor's play that made that decision a consideration in the first place. how bad does your starter have to be to replace him with....as you love to say...A ROOKIE FIFTH ROUND PICK??? Not to mention, Tyrod was drafted where? The 6th. Draft position doesn't matter. You can either play or you can't.
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lfod said: The Peterman starting situation is over. It's ok to let go. It's ok for some one to have an opinion. It didn't cost the coach his job did it? It didn't cost of the playoffs did it? Almost what happened doesn't matter. I think everyone can agree after the fact that it was a bad move. I just find it very dishonest to say without a doubt that people had the crystal ball telling them about 5 picks in the future. They made a calculated risk it failed miserable. If you can't appreciate some one taking a risk to be better then that's you. That's not everybody and your not the authority on it. Your just a guy with an opinion so speaking in absolutes does nothing for your cause. The offense didn't play well. Did you watch the Panthers game? Something like 3 points on offence. The offense couldn't score one touchdown to win the game. Your ok with that and that's fine. Preach. Go fire the coach man, I believe in you. People play the lottery take and make gambles. It's only stupid if you lose but not everyone does. There are millionaires out there made with luck. 1 minute ago, Luka said: It wasn't a mistake, it was a calculated risk. NO ONE predicted that Peterman would throw 5 picks in the first half. Any other team with a QB playing as poorly as Tyrod was would've benched him. It's over and done with. Tyrod lost the Carolina and Cinci game which were just as important to the season and was absolutely miserable to watch in the Saints game. And he wasn't playing well enough to imagine him coming close to beating the Chargers. Not so much a bad idea, just a really bad result. Not 5 picks in a half, but most predicted it was doomed to failure. The best thing that happened was that it was so disastrous and Tyrod had to be put in at half. McDermott even after ints 3 & 4 sent him back out with the game still in reach...... After #3 it was 17-7, after 4, 24-7, then 2 3 & outs to 34-7 and then #5 made it 37-7....... If just a bad game, Peterman would have continued to start, the Bills would not be in the playoffs and you fan boys would be talking about the Draft Board right now...............
What a Tuel Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No right thinking coach would start a ROOKIE FIFTH ROUND PICK in a game with serious playoff implications...... That is what he did and it was absolutely wrong and the results speak for themselves..... Of course if you drink the Koolaid you'll tell me it was part of his master plan that makes him so much smarter then everyone else and that it lit a fire under Tyrod..... Oops forgot the defense that was torched for 3 straight weeks and absolutely no repercussions for any defensive players...... How comical some of you are...... Once again this is revisionist history. This game did not have serious playoff implications at the time. The Chargers were 3-6, and would likely need to go at least 6-1 rest of year in order to be considered for the playoffs. They achieved that, but it was not at all likely.
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Luka said: Not to mention, Tyrod was drafted where? The 6th. Draft position doesn't matter. You can either play or you can't. How many times??????? Tyrod was not a ROOKIE!!!!!!!! Edited January 3, 2018 by Billsfan1972
grb Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bills757 said: Again, I don't necessarily blame McD for a poor decision to start Peterman. He was trying to see if NP could spark the offense after a couple of bumpy games. What I do blame him for is leaving the guy in the game after the second interception. THAT is my issue with the LAC game. It was very apparent LAC's pass rush was overwhelming our Oline so why leave your rookie in the game only to get beat up and humiliated (visa vi throwing 3 more picks)? Makes no sense to me. "spark the offense after a couple of bumpy games" Sigh. Let's go over this one more time : Taylor played well against the Bucs. He played well against the Raiders. He played well against the Jets - being one of the few Bills who seemed to fully show up for that game. Then he played poorly against the Saints and was benched. Now maybe Taylor was sat down because the Bills running backs gained 28 yards in the Jets game and 47 yards in the Saints game. Maybe he was benched because the o-line had trouble blocking anybody - particularly against the Jets. Maybe he was benched because the wide receivers weren't getting any separation - particularly against the Saints. Maybe he was benched because the defense gave-up 194 yards rushing against the Jets and 298 gawdforsaken yards rushing against the Saints. Maybe he was benched because the team - Taylor excepted - didn't show-up to play New York on Thursday, and the defense wasn't showing up to play anybody anymore. Since the decision to start Peterman made zero sense then or now, it's impossible to tell why Taylor was benched. Part of it was probably a defense-minded coach whose defense wasn't showing up on the field. So - hey - let's start a fifth-round rookie. Part of it was probably Dennison and McDermott deciding poor Peterman didn't have to be ready - just system-y. Who knows? http://www.cover1.net/tyrod-taylor-didnt-deserve-to-be-benched-after-performance-against-saints/ Edited January 3, 2018 by grb
Luka Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: How many times??????? Tyrod was not a ROOKIE!!!!!!!! Yea all those starts Tyrod had before he came to Buffalo... Who the !@#$ cares? You're wrong, you know you're wrong but you keep talking. Nothing you've said has any importance or basis in reality. It's all hindsight bull **** and you'd be licking McDermott's feet if he put Peterman in and he won out and earned us a 3rd seed.
What a Tuel Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, grb said: "spark the offense after a couple of bumpy games" Sigh. Let's go over this one more time : Taylor played well against the Bucs. He played well against the Raiders. He played well against the Jets - being one of the few players who seemed to fully show up for that game. Then he played poorly against the Saints and was benched. Now maybe Taylor was sat down because the Bills running backs gained 28 yards in the Jets game and 47 yards in the Saints game. Maybe he was benched because the o-line had trouble blocking anybody - particularly against the Jets. Maybe he was benched because the wide receivers weren't getting any separation - particularly against the Saints. Maybe he was benched because the defense gave-up 194 yards rushing against the Jets and 298 gawdforsaken yards rushing against the Saints. Maybe he was benched because the team - Taylor excepted - didn't show-up to play New York on Thursday, and the defense wasn't showing up to play anybody anymore. Since the decision to start Peterman made zero sense then or now, it's impossible to tell why Taylor was benched. Part of it was probably a defense-minded coach whose defense wasn't showing up on the field. So - hey - let's start a fifth-round rookie. Part of it was probably Dennison and McDermott deciding poor Peterman didn't have to be ready - just system-y. Who knows? http://www.cover1.net/tyrod-taylor-didnt-deserve-to-be-benched-after-performance-against-saints/ He absolutely did deserve benching and a wake up call. The run game suffers when they know Tyrod won't throw the ball. And no, he did not do well in the Jets game. Constant 3 and outs. He only kicked it up a notch in the 4th quarter when the game was out of reach which buffed his stats.
Luka Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, grb said: "spark the offense after a couple of bumpy games" Sigh. Let's go over this one more time : Taylor played well against the Bucs. He played well against the Raiders. He played well against the Jets - being one of the few Bills who seemed to fully show up for that game. Then he played poorly against the Saints and was benched. Now maybe Taylor was sat down because the Bills running backs gained 28 yards in the Jets game and 47 yards in the Saints game. Maybe he was benched because the o-line had trouble blocking anybody - particularly against the Jets. Maybe he was benched because the wide receivers weren't getting any separation - particularly against the Saints. Maybe he was benched because the defense gave-up 194 yards rushing against the Jets and 298 gawdforsaken yards rushing against the Saints. Maybe he was benched because the team - Taylor excepted - didn't show-up to play New York on Thursday, and the defense wasn't showing up to play anybody anymore. Since the decision to start Peterman made zero sense then or now, it's impossible to tell why Taylor was benched. Part of it was probably a defense-minded coach whose defense wasn't showing up on the field. So - hey - let's start a fifth-round rookie. Part of it was probably Dennison and McDermott deciding poor Peterman didn't have to be ready - just system-y. Who knows? http://www.cover1.net/tyrod-taylor-didnt-deserve-to-be-benched-after-performance-against-saints/ He played like **** against the Jets, 75% of his stats cam in the last 6 minutes of that game when the Jets had already blown us out.
Teddy KGB Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No right thinking coach would start a ROOKIE FIFTH ROUND PICK in a game with serious playoff implications...... That is what he did and it was absolutely wrong and the results speak for themselves..... Of course if you drink the Koolaid you'll tell me it was part of his master plan that makes him so much smarter then everyone else and that it lit a fire under Tyrod..... Oops forgot the defense that was torched for 3 straight weeks and absolutely no repercussions for any defensive players...... How comical some of you are...... 14 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: How many times??????? Tyrod was not a ROOKIE!!!!!!!! Hurry up and leave as you proclaimed in the other thread. I don’t know why you keep regurgitating the same nonsense about the Chargers game. Bills offense ranks 29th of 32 in case you have forgotten. When your starting QBs sucks this bad, he gets the hook. Give it a rest already. Coach was right. You continue to be wrong. Edited January 3, 2018 by Teddy KGB
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Luka said: Yea all those starts Tyrod had before he came to Buffalo... Who the !@#$ cares? You're wrong, you know you're wrong but you keep talking. Nothing you've said has any importance or basis in reality. It's all hindsight bull **** and you'd be licking McDermott's feet if he put Peterman in and he won out and earned us a 3rd seed. How wrong can one be???? You learn on the sidelines, like many qb's do..... See Brady, Garropolo........ Any success from later round picks came from learning for a minimum of 1 and often 2-3 years...... This was a joke..... Yes Peterman would have earned the Bills the #3 seed, which meant beating the Patriots twice, which actually would have gotten them the #1 seed....... Aim high my friend........ What a joke....... And some thought I was joking that Peterman should start vs. Jacksonville????
Lfod Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Not 5 picks in a half, but most predicted it was doomed to failure. The best thing that happened was that it was so disastrous and Tyrod had to be put in at half. McDermott even after ints 3 & 4 sent him back out with the game still in reach...... After #3 it was 17-7, after 4, 24-7, then 2 3 & outs to 34-7 and then #5 made it 37-7....... If just a bad game, Peterman would have continued to start, the Bills would not be in the playoffs and you fan boys would be talking about the Draft Board right now............... It was an epic disaster of epic proportions. It was so bad it was comical. What I am saying mostly is that the season looked to be slipping away. It wasn't trending well in my view. It wasn't just the 3 game slide either. It was the Panthers game and generally the offense wasn't impressive. When the defense went away for 3 games the offense couldn't pick up the slack like the defense did for the offense in games. I mean turn overs rained and the offense was getting field goals or nothing. I think that's the part your missing. The loss of hope. The rise of doubt. Nothing was a lock anymore. It wasn't 5-2 anymore. Even when it was 5-2 I'd say a very large part was the defense. I can't credit all the wasted turn overs. I can credit them to holding teams to low scores. I don't think anyone would say your wrong that Peterman blew it. If you step back and look at the entire picture you would see the situation was getting desperate. Desperate times might call for desperate measures. Just maybe consider people were getting desperate and wanted to put hope into something new when there was doubt in the status quo. We didn't get the Peterman can song because Tyrod was balling. Heck we in the playoffs and I still don't see the Tyrod can song. Sure Peterman can't. Tyrod wasn't either. It was a battle of the worse QB and Peterman won by a solid mile. Just some of us needed to see that battle and some didn't. Edited January 3, 2018 by Lfod 1
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Ah let me think...... Anyone with knowledge of football........ Yes he being a FIFTH ROUND draft pick was an important factor..... oh 72...you really are bad at having a normal conversation. 5th round doesn't matter at all. 23 minutes ago, Luka said: Not to mention, Tyrod was drafted where? The 6th. Draft position doesn't matter. You can either play or you can't. round doesn't matter once you're in the league. i'm not in any way saying it was a good idea to start nate, but 72 has his hands around this idea, and won't let it go. he's decided that he hates this staff because they traded away watkins. he can't be angry they didn't make the playoffs, so now his clinging to this. unfortunately he's completely unreasonable.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 ...hilarious....the TBD "One & Done Gang" outdid themselves.........a 5th round ROOK has minis, QTA's, TC, some pre-season work, ONE start and some mop up duty and THAT constitutes an ERA?.......or maybe a CAREER?........hell, I'd bet every draft eligible QB goes to church daily hopin' and prayin' they are OBD's pick so they can start and finish the ERA like that.......month to month apartment rent is their best option............... 1
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: How many times??????? Tyrod was not a ROOKIE!!!!!!!! he's not a rookie, and he's put up numbers far less that what other rookies have put up in the past. hence starting peterman. i like tyrod as i've mentioned a million times, but he needed to put up far better production as a VETERAN! ( i can yell through the internet too). 11 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Hurry up and leave as you proclaimed in the other thread. I don’t know why you keep regurgitating the same nonsense about the Chargers game. Bills offense ranks 29th of 32 in case you have forgotten. When your starting QBs sucks this bad, he gets the hook. Give it a rest already. Coach was right. You continue to be wrong. it's what he does. he was telling a number of us that we couldn't have an opinion on watkins because we didn't watch enough of the rams games. during that time he insisted that sammy was elite, that we was the worlds greatest decoy, and that goff was being coached not to throw to sammy. he actually tried to push this off as truth. when he doesn't have a real argument, he harps on the same point over and over, no matter how bad it is. this is what he's doing with the peterman nonsense. he hates the staff, and it's the easiest way for him to attack them. for a guy that's older than i am, (i'm 40) it's kinda sad. 1
grb Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: He absolutely did deserve benching and a wake up call. The run game suffers when they know Tyrod won't throw the ball. And no, he did not do well in the Jets game. Constant 3 and outs. He only kicked it up a notch in the 4th quarter when the game was out of reach which buffed his stats. The dead-enders defending the Peterman decision have settled on one critical tactic : They seem to recognize the absurdity of benching Taylor for the Saints game alone, so the record of TNF versus the Jets must be rewritten at all cost. But there are these irksome problems to be expected when you try to substitute fiction for fact. First, the 4th quarter garbage time crap is as phony as a three dollar bill. In the first-half of the Jets game Taylor was 11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. And - needless to say - no interceptions. Taylor didn't just play well in the Fourth, he played well the entire game. You might try any of accounts from Bills' sportswriter or commentators at the time for a second confirmation. Everyone said Taylor played well; you'll find no one to support your fiction.... 25 minutes ago, Luka said: He played like **** against the Jets, 75% of his stats cam in the last 6 minutes of that game when the Jets had already blown us out. The eternal question : Dishonest or Delusional? Taylor, First-half of the Jets game : 11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. Also : No interceptions. Edited January 3, 2018 by grb
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