corta765 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 No one is arguing that this isn't a severely flawed roster and a lot of work to be done. That said: They just ended a 18 years playoff drought that hung on everyone fans head like a noose, something that only haters would use to reaffirm our irrelevance during this period, something media nationally loved to bring up as a passing insult, something like people like me who have one memory of watching a Bills playoff game with my dad had to wonder if it really would and countless others did the same with family, and something that had caused years of frustration and mistakes by the team itself. This roster had less talent compared to any team the last 5 years and yes the coaching staff deserves credit for that. No one is saying McD and Beane are the all time greatest, they do deserve credit for a good year one given everything that happened. Don't let people being excited who may be in euphoria for the reasons I stated hit nerves because you have a healthy grounded POV on the team and coach. This is great and let it be, if others may be building a statue that is OK to that is what they needed. GO BIlls! 2
nucci Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 not gonna flame away but you should go away. This is playoff week.......waited a long time for this 1 1
Billsfan1972 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 And I am a fan....... But I also look at this team without rose-coloured glasses...... I've said it if not a FAN, this team is hard to watch. They are hanging on for dear life almost every win and come the second half they lose almost everytime on halftime adjustments. They should have kicked Miami's butts twice, thoroughly outplayed KC too, yet hung on for dear life. Jauron ball kills me and the inability to throw for 300 (though they seem up for the challenge the first half at times). So you think this team is better the the prior 3 years? I will say they are more disciplined and for a change getting some breaks. Y^es I'm excited, but TBD and the pom pom waving does make me smirk. 2
Buddy Hix Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) You point out that the record is essentially the same as it has been the last few years, which is correct. You also point out that the team unloaded a lot of the talent (and salary), which is correct. But you seem to fail to address the fact that achieving the same record with less talent is impressive. I'm not convinced that McD and Beane will succeed in turning us into a true contender, but I am encouraged by this year's results. The luck of getting into the playoffs is just an added bonus, that will only further help the transition (hopefully) into a contender as it ends the negativity of the last two decades and allows everybody to focus on the future. Edited January 2, 2018 by Buddy Hix 3
Dorkington Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I agree that this team isn't any better than the last 9-7 Bills team, but playoffs are playoffs and it's awesome to have the 'streak' ended. 3
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 You deserve every bit of abuse you take. You got caught, dong out, pissing in the punchbowl. 4
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: And I am a fan....... But I also look at this team without rose-coloured glasses...... I've said it if not a FAN, this team is hard to watch. They are hanging on for dear life almost every win and come the second half they lose almost everytime on halftime adjustments. They should have kicked Miami's butts twice, thoroughly outplayed KC too, yet hung on for dear life. Jauron ball kills me and the inability to throw for 300 (though they seem up for the challenge the first half at times). So you think this team is better the the prior 3 years? I will say they are more disciplined and for a change getting some breaks. Y^es I'm excited, but TBD and the pom pom waving does make me smirk. You're more of a Sammy Watkins fan than a Bills fan. Your posts prove it. 1
ProcessTheTrust Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 This post should be called "How to rain on a parade for no good reason". 1
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: You deserve every bit of abuse you take. You got caught, dong out, pissing in the punchbowl. As usual, he will play the victim and then find another reason to talk about Sammy Watkins. 1
Billsfan1972 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Dorkington said: I agree that this team isn't any better than the last 9-7 Bills team, but playoffs are playoffs and it's awesome to have the 'streak' ended. And I agree 100%....... I've been glued to the TV (or at the games) since 1972. Doubt I've missed more then a dozen (travel, trips) over that time, so yes I am a diehard.
4_kidd_4 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I was expecting 5 wins and ended up getting a pretty damned entertaining season. Are you not entertained?
DC Tom Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Of course there has to be at least one poster who pisses in everyone's wheat flakes... 1
Like A Mofo Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And I am a fan....... But I also look at this team without rose-coloured glasses...... I've said it if not a FAN, this team is hard to watch. They are hanging on for dear life almost every win and come the second half they lose almost everytime on halftime adjustments. They should have kicked Miami's butts twice, thoroughly outplayed KC too, yet hung on for dear life. Jauron ball kills me and the inability to throw for 300 (though they seem up for the challenge the first half at times). So you think this team is better the the prior 3 years? I will say they are more disciplined and for a change getting some breaks. Y^es I'm excited, but TBD and the pom pom waving does make me smirk. I bet if you win the lottery you will immediately complain about the money you lose in taxes...ARRRGH i won 340 million dollars and I lost 100 million in taxes, that isn't FUN Edited January 2, 2018 by Like A Mofo
davspo Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I am as critical as anyone on these boards. With that being said, a first year head coach took a team that I thought would have no more than 3 wins to the playoffs breaking a 17 year streak. In so doing, he made bold front office moves that will pay dividends for years. Getting rid of Darius with that huge contract number was a great move. Moving Sammy (500 or so receiving yards this year even though he was health and had a real qb) was a great move. EJ Gains is proving to be a step above Darby. Gathering draft picks. His game day decisions could be questioned but at the end of the day, in one year he has been better than any other coach over the last two decades. Yes I have been critical, but no I am not dumb. This guy is good, and the future looks bright. Just think- the rookies (who are preforming well) will now feel the playoffs are a must, not merely a goal. The vets know it is now possible. He has changed the culture. He is a great coach, anybody who says otherwise is not being objective.
hondo in seattle Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: You point out that the record is essentially the same as it has been the last few years, which is correct. You also point out that the team unloaded a lot of the talent (and salary), which is correct. But you seem to fail to address the fact that achieving the same record with less talent is impressive. I'm not convinced that McD and Beane will succeed in turning us into a true contender, but I am encouraged by this year's results. The luck of getting into the playoffs is just an added bonus, that will only further help the transition (hopefully) into a contender as it ends the negativity of the last two decades and allows everybody to focus on the future. That's exactly what impresses me. We got rid of some of our biggest stars (Sammy, Darby, MD), signed some no-names, and got into the playoffs. I'm not sure what kind of roster Beane will build over the years. But today's roster is weak. Yet we're in the playoffs. McD must be doing something right. 1
Steptide Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 There is 2 really encouraging things with the current team. 1) they traded away alot of good talent and completely over achieved. I believe alot of this has to do with coaching 2) after all the hot starts we've seen over the years (2008/2011/2016) this team was able to battle through all of it and finish 9-7. They never threw in the towel regardless of who was playing qb, or reciever etc. Are the bills really good? No. But now we go into 2018 with alot of draft picks and ready to build a team that can potentially play for the superbowl year after year. We finally have a front office that learns from mistakes, and is creating a team for the long term. You could've said this back in the Gailey/nix era, but bills fans should be able to see the difference between the front offices.
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Steptide said: There is 2 really encouraging things with the current team. 1) they traded away alot of good talent and completely over achieved. I believe alot of this has to do with coaching 2) after all the hot starts we've seen over the years (2008/2011/2016) this team was able to battle through all of it and finish 9-7. They never threw in the towel regardless of who was playing qb, or reciever etc. Are the bills really good? No. But now we go into 2018 with alot of draft picks and ready to build a team that can potentially play for the superbowl year after year. We finally have a front office that learns from mistakes, and is creating a team for the long term. You could've said this back in the Gailey/nix era, but bills fans should be able to see the difference between the front offices. We are a team in the playoffs with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds coming up. That's exciting. Edited January 2, 2018 by Royale with Cheese
teef Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 jesus. the op needs meds. i haven't seen someone so upset that the team they supposedly love made the playoffs. all of this over the loss of sammy. the same sammy who hasn't done much of anything this year...again. the same sammy the op called elite. the same sammy that the op was insistent that the rams coach was telling his qb not to throw too. i just don't get it. 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: We are a team in the playoffs with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds coming up. That's exciting. we should all be thrilled with where this team is right now.
Chicken Boo Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I wonder if any Giants fan thought this when they won the Super Bowl after posting a 8-8 record?
BobChalmers Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Dude - they squeaked into the playoffs (getting the monkey off their backs) AND they stockpiled picks - how is this not incredible progress for the franchise?? Team McBeane knows they aren't all there yet. McD practically said as much. BUT cracking the playoff wall is just plain good for the psyche of the franchise and the fans - although apparently some fans are just too scarred to realize it... 6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I wonder if any Giants fan thought this when they won the Super Bowl after posting a 8-8 record? Hehe - it's true - we have no idea if Tyrod has secretly been an Eli-style playoff-clutch QB all this time!! (... and no, I don't expect that ) Edited January 2, 2018 by BobChalmers added thought
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