cba fan Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Taylor wont be here. Unless he redoes his contract down to 8M again That is basically what his contract is right now. 8.640 mill dead cap if cut and or 18 mill cap hit if on team in 2018. So he cost about 9.36 mill to keep for 2018. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ To reduce that number would require Bills to cut Taylor then negotiate a new contract with him while he is a free agent. So if the target is 8 mill why would TT agree to that as he gets 16 mill new money for 2018 with current contract or can be cut and be FA where he will surely get more than 9 mill on open market. And why would Bills do all this crazy move if they want him for 8 mill and that is what he approx. costs if they just keep him. TT has been jacked around enough. HC and FO is luke warm on keeping him. Why would he let Bills do it again especially if they are thinking about doing a mutli year deal to make him more attractive to trade. Hold firm and get his current deal or be a FA is his choice. Easy choice. caveat: keeping him for 2018 and his auto contract voided years release would incur a 8+ mill dead cap then spread over 3 years. So that may be a desired salary cap management plus for Bills. Edited January 2, 2018 by cba fan
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 way to open a can of worms OP. at this point, they win, they're still in. they lose you can debate, discuss and argue all you want about taylors future. until then, who gives a !@#$. we have a playoff game to play, long awaited playoff game I may add. that's all I care about at this point. 1 1
xRUSHx Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: way to open a can of worms OP. at this point, they win, they're still in. they lose you can debate, discuss and argue all you want about taylors future. until then, who gives a !@#$. we have a playoff game to play, long awaited playoff game I may add. that's all I care about at this point. Excellent post, GoBills 1
Thurman#1 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, FearLess Price said: Dude we kno we can upgrade at QB and most of us want to draft one in the high 1st round this year but yall exaggerate so much and use garbage confirmation bias stats to try to prove your point, that we gotta dial the convo back to reality. You said starting tyrod could never get us to the playoffs. A lot of you did. And here we are. Playoffs baby!! There were a few who said Tyrod couldn't get us to the playoffs. Most thought that he probably could, but that only a fanbase as abused as ours would make a big deal out of making it to the playoffs. It's not that big a deal for a QB to take his team to the playoffs. Last year Osweiler and Savage got the Texans there. Anyone want them as your long-term QB combo? So did Matt Moore and Ryan Tannehill get the Dolphins there. Again, anyone want them as your combo long-term? Have they proven anything? It's pretty common for a questionable QB or two make it to the playoffs. That's not the measure. It's being competitive for a title. Legitimately competitive. And unfortunately, this Bills team isn't. I wish they were but they just aren't. It hasn't been that long since Colin Kaepernick and Nick Foles got their teams to the playoffs. Kaepernick for a brief moment looked like the real thing, but not so much. Same with Foles. 53 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: His trade value might go up Under the circumstances, not much, probably. We're going to have three days after trading starts to work something out or we'll have to pay him that $6 mill roster bonus (of which $1 mill is already guaranteed anyway). It's due on 3/16. Teams under deadline pressure like that aren't in the driver's seat on trades. We might get something for him but it's not likely to be much under these circumstances. Edited January 2, 2018 by Thurman#1
Real McClappy Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: They couldn’t stop the run. They couldn’t rush the passer. 26th in total yds. 18th in points against. They DID he timely turnovers. They had a knack for the big play but they weren’t very good as a whole this season. Better than the offense, I’ll give ya that. There Was a thread about it yesterday and I agree with it. This team could take the ball away and they didn’t give it away. And yiu’ll Usually win more than you lose that way. If the talent can catch up with those fundamentals we’re grinning. Your looking at the games we lost man which completely skews our D stats. When the Bills won this year 8 out of 9 games the D held opponent to 17pts or less. The 9th win they did not hold below 17 was against Tampa for a 27-30 win, but our D secured that win with a fumble. The Panthers (9pts) and Cincy (20pts) games both should have been W's as well due to our D. In all honesty we should have finished 11-5 this year. Saying our D is bad is a understatement and false IMO. The Bend and Don't break worked just fine this year. Our D (secondary) is a huge reason why we are in the playoffs right now. Edited January 2, 2018 by Real McCoy 1
Thurman#1 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, FearLess Price said: Sad but true. That Tyrod had a solid OC that understood his limitations and strenghts and used them to score more points than any bills team after 1990. This OC and his version of Tyrod neuter everything he does well and makes him focus on everything he is bad at. This helps Tyrods development as a QB but doesnt help the Bills. Tyrod will start for another team next year as a better qb after his adventure through dennidummys island of misused talent featuring the likes of the tolbert zone stretch play, the tolber slant special, and everyone's favorite the tolbert speed option run play. It wasn't so much a solid OC that understood Tyrod's limitations and strengths and used them to score more points than any Bills team in a while last year. It was really much more a solid OC that understood McCoy and Gillislee and the run game's limitations and strengths and used them to score more points than any Bills team in a while. Tyrod's passing yards and TDs were pretty close this year and last year. It's the run game that was massively more effective last year than this year. 2017 12 rushing TDs ( 4-way tie for 15th in the NFL) and 16 passing TDs (27th). Last year, 29 rushing TDs (1st in the NFL by a large margin) and 17 passing (27th). The run game was the difference. Going from 27th in passing TDs last year all the way to ... um ... 27th in passing TDs this year doesn't exactly show a major difference.
Bing Bong Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I'm keeping him around today. Quarterbacks don't fall off trees folks. And he doesn't whack us with the Salary Cap
MAJBobby Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, FearLess Price said: Happy trails on the campaign bro. You read tyrods name on a post u get stupid. Im not arguing with stupid. Tyrod played well enough to get us there with this team. Thats it. Hes now a playoff qb. Facts. He was the starter for us when we broke the drought. Facts. Tyrod is playing next week and flacco, dalton, winston arent. Facts. 15th rated QB in the NFL by their qbr? Facts. Got to 9-7 in an offense thst suits his skill set the worst, and with the 3rd worst WR roster in the NFL. Facts You boughta ticket to the game and will cheer him on and hope he balls out. Facts. After 17 years We are in the f####n playoffs! FACTS! Deal with it. I can see what your saying i jus wanted to see more of a QB/WR passing game like we hadnwhen watkins woods and Goodwin were healthy all at the same time. I think we can cut bate with matthews if he wants too much $. Def wanna keep KB, DT, Clay, and Jones tho Facts he played well enough to need a miracle 4th and 12 to get in from another QB mind you facts bottom of the league in pass offense ever since he has been starting
NewEraBills Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 To answer the original question, you still draft a QB at some point preferably in the first three rounds, no matter how he plays.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Facts he played well enough to need a miracle 4th and 12 to get in from another QB mind you facts bottom of the league in pass offense ever since he has been starting fact is, your takes are boring and stale.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Saying our D is bad is a understatement and false IMO. The Bend and Don't break worked just fine this year. Our D (secondary) is a huge reason why we are in the playoffs right now. Amen to that. The QB can give us 2 sub 50 QB ratings but the D isn't allowed to have 2 stinkers to match? HippoCrazy
MAJBobby Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, cba fan said: That is basically what his contract is right now. 8.640 mill dead cap if cut and or 18 mill cap hit if on team in 2018. So he cost about 9.36 mill to keep for 2018. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ To reduce that number would require Bills to cut Taylor then negotiate a new contract with him while he is a free agent. So if the target is 8 mill why would TT agree to that as he gets 16 mill new money for 2018 with current contract or can be cut and be FA where he will surely get more than 9 mill on open market. And why would Bills do all this crazy move if they want him for 8 mill and that is what he approx. costs if they just keep him. TT has been jacked around enough. HC and FO is luke warm on keeping him. Why would he let Bills do it again especially if they are thinking about doing a mutli year deal to make him more attractive to trade. Hold firm and get his current deal or be a FA is his choice. Easy choice. caveat: keeping him for 2018 and his auto contract voided years release would incur a 8+ mill dead cap then spread over 3 years. So that may be a desired salary cap management plus for Bills. They should move on from him. That is my point. Is he an 18M cap hit QB? 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: fact is, your takes are boring and stale. Got it. But true 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: fact is, your takes are boring and stale. after 3 long seasons all takes are boring and stale. That's why a weeks distraction with the Don of Hanging Chads was so entertaining.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Tyrods a solid stop gap. He's an Alex Smith in the right system. The Bills offense also lead the league in big plays thanks to Tyrods deep ball ability. That was lacking big time this year due to offensive design and lack of a deep threat. Im all for a better QB. Again, that's hard to do when you never take chances on them with your first pick. I'll take "Alex Smith" for $1000 Alex
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Amen to that. The QB can give us 2 sub 50 QB ratings but the D isn't allowed to have 2 stinkers to match? HippoCrazy He was responding to a post in which I also said the offense was bad and even though I didn’t think the d was very good it was still better than the offense as whole over the year. So maybe read read what I posted first. If this is in fact still in response to what I said.
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: In SPITE OF TT and BECAUSE OF Andy DALTON I just dont agree with this language.....it makes it look like Tyrod was making mistakes during games and the team was overcoming it to win. That is NOT the case....if anything it is Tyrod's lack of mistakes (by that I mean turning the ball over) which is also reason we are in the post season for the first time in 17 years. Was our defense great this year? No it was not. Did we keep up those insane turnover differentials to win games? No we did not. Did we run the ball as well as we did last year? no we did not. Im not saying that he didnt leave plays on the field....he clearly did. That does not mean that we win in SPITE of him....it means that he isnt "the reason" why we win......I am saying that is Shady (which means trouble for us this weekend) I think we should draft a qb high.....I would like to see what a offense in Buffalo woudl look like with a prolific accurate passer.....but we did not win "in spite" of Tyrod Taylor
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 10 hours ago, John from Hemet said: Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card. I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up. We have so many picks in this next draft 2,799 and 14 TD's say we move on from Tayor after the season is over. With better production at the QB position this team wouldn't need luck to make the playoffs this year. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Bolded is wrong. The D is pretty much the reason the Bills are in the playoffs The defensive league ratings against the run and the pass were about the same place that Tyrod was in the league ratings. And you can't say turnovers were the difference because Tyrod was #1 in the league in that category. The defense had several atrocious games, so you cannot use that as an argument either. 1
dave mcbride Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: The defensive league ratings against the run and the pass were about the same place that Tyrod was in the league ratings. And you can't say turnovers were the difference because Tyrod was #1 in the league in that category. The defense had several atrocious games, so you cannot use that as an argument either. The defense improved from 27th to 15th in DVOA and the offense sank from 10th to 26th. That's kind of a wash, so what might explain the shift from 7-9/8-8 to 9-7 (I think they would have gone 8-8 last year if they didn't tank the final game)? ST went from 22nd in 2016 to 10th this year. Carpenter was basically zero wins above replacement last year, and Hauschka was one win above replacement. The Bills went from a 76 percent kicker to an 88 percent kicker, and the 88 percent guy also made a LOT of lower percentage long kicks. Huge improvement. Edited January 2, 2018 by dave mcbride
Fadingpain Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: We play the next game. They knows tt is not the answer and will get another QB . This. I'm not sure why people don't get that this group at OBD has already told you that they don't like Tyrod. They started a 5th round draft pick with zero NFL experience over him in a regular season game when we were still in the hunt for the playoffs! They don't like him! He's leaving! Get over it!
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