Tyrod Taylor: Playoff QB

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

McDermott is a head coach in the nfl.   You sit in a cubicle and link tweets.  

 

You lose. 

 

You have Bitter Bills Face and it makes you post dumb . 

 

With your simple mided logic, every move an NFL coach makes is correct because they're in the NFL.  Silliness. 

Edited January 1, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Big Gun]

15 minutes ago, DaBills51 said:

 

Man you're dumb. So by that logic you just used, if it's all on the QB, then Taylor got the Bills to the playoffs. Can't have it just that way for Mariota. 

 

You're seriously trying to argue that Mariota was better than Taylor this year because Mariota threw for less TDs and more INTs.

And Mariota didn't? 

 

They both had 18 TDs this year skippy, and Tenn WR and RB are way inferior to the Bills.

 

How many Tenn games did you see? or you going just by stats? Mariota didn't have 2 games of 65 yards or under. 

 

 

 

[DaBills51]

8 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

And Mariota didn't? 

 

They both had 18 TDs this year skippy, and Tenn WR and RB are way inferior to the Bills.

 

How many Tenn games did you see? or you going just by stats? Mariota didn't have 2 games of 65 yards or under. 

 

 

 

 

I would say that Mariota did, but I wasn't the one trying to argue otherwise. I don't think Mariota is garbage. I'm just saying that Mariota isn't better than Taylor at this point. Sure Mariota has more upside, and I know he's been better than Taylor in the 4th quarter. It's not that I think Taylor is some savior who is a top 10 QB, but it's the fact that people want to discard Taylor when there is no reason to. They can still draft a QB and keep Taylor. 

 

Lets look at the past 3 years too....

 

43 games started, 23 wins and 20 losses, 10,432 total yards, 65 total TDs and 21 total turnovers. 

 

42 games started, 20 wins and 22 losses, 10,389 total yards, 67 total TDs, 46 total turnovers. 

 

Which one of the above is better? Probably the first one, right? More wins, about the same yards, but then a TD to INT differential of +44 to +21. First stat line is Taylor and second is Mariota. 

 

Believe it or not, turnovers are bad. Turnovers lead to more losses. From 1950 to 2016, the average winning percentage of teams that won the turnover battle was 78%. 

Edited January 1, 2018 by DaBills51

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, DaBills51 said:

 

1) That argument makes no sense and does a laughable job at ignoring what I presented to you. Facts are tough to argue with though when you are coming from a point of sheer stupidity. I get it. Answer the question - do the Bills make the playoffs if Taylor threw 15 ints like Mariota this season? You can't. You'll ignore it again because you can't argue with logic and reason. 

 

2) If Taylor isn't on the Bills next year he's starting somewhere else. If you can't see that, then its clear you don't understand what the QB situation is like in the league. Maybe ask the Browns how Kizer was for them.

 

But have a happy new year filled with delusion and illogical rantings. 

 

Was the QB situation much better last year? Because Taylor had so many offers to start elsewhere that he decided to take a pay cut to come back to Buffalo. 

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

27 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You have Bitter Bills Face and it makes you post dumb . 

 

With your simple mided logic, every move an NFL coach makes is correct because they're in the NFL.  Silliness. 

 

Hes made the playoffs in one season.  

 

You our continue to crucify him for benching a struggling starter.     Logic is pretty simple it was the correct decision.   

 

 

Edited January 1, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

49 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Amen to this. 

Is this a !@#$ing joke? Taylor passed for 2,799 and 14 TD's. If I give Taylor props I have to give 26 other QB's props. 

[grb]

59 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Amen to the benching.     Bosa didn’t get to beat him up to bad so he would miss the chiefs game.    

 

Yawn, to the bs narrative about benching starters that don’t perform.     You sound like a Ryan brother. 

 

Mccoach > poor qb fanboy 

 

Ohhhh....so McDermott's genius plan was to save Taylor from the Charger's pass rush for the rest of the season ?!? Yeah - that does sounds imbecilic, but no less so than the given reason for starting Peterman. Remember : Taylor played well against the Bucs. He played well against the Raiders. He was just about the only Bill who played well against the Jets. Then he had a bad game and was benched. Meanwhile, the defense was allowing a league-worse 400yds of offense a game over the same stretch. So, quarterback change, right?

 

It was a decision as stupid as stupid gets. That Peterman clearly wasn't ready magnified just how brainless a move it was. McDermott might as well have used a Ouija Board to decide who plays for all the common sense found in starting NP. His defense wasn't performing - to an embarrassing degree - so lets throw this **** against the wall and see if it sticks. That makes a lot of sense, right?

Edited January 1, 2018 by grb

[DaBills51]

5 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Was the QB situation much better last year? Because Taylor had so many offers to start elsewhere that he decided to take a pay cut to come back to Buffalo. 

 

 

 

So Taylor could field offers from teams for starting spots even though he wasn't a free agent last year? Weird - I would have thought that would constitute as tampering. Not to mention, he's currently the 20th highest paid QB, so why go to a new team and a new city?

 

If you don't think that Taylor would start for another team next year, when guys like Mike Glennon and Tom Savage started for teams at the beginning of this year, then you are kidding yourself. 

 

[vincec]

Man these Tyrod threads are interminable. Every week there’s a new 20+ page thread on the exact same topic.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, twoandfourteen said:

Ok, name 15 NFL QBs that a GM would trade straight up for Tyrod Taylor, right now. 

 

This isn't the same thing as QBs being better comparatively, you realize that, right?

 

For example, some GMs, like Jerry Jones are a little nuts and uber loyal.

 

He'd never trade Dak for Tyrod even though Tyrod is better than Dak right now.

 

The same largely goes for Mariota.

 

Trubisky was a rookie so same rule applies even though Taylor's obviously better now.

 

Tyrod is better than Winston right now but Winston is going to get a ton of time because of sheer physical talent and potential.

 

 

So just because a GM might take Dak and/or Mariota and/or Trubisky and/or Winston before Tyrod doesn't mean they're better.

 

So then you're left with QBs Taylor is obviously better than like whoever is the QB for the Jets, Cardinals, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos.

 

Are we applying backups starting for the injured guys in front of them into this equation? Taylor's better than Brissett and Hundley but not Luck or obviously Rodgers. Taylor's better than Foles but not Wentz.

 

Then you get a handful of QBs who you could argue Taylor is better than right now: Flacco, Carr, Dalton, Manning, Bortles.

 

 

So your question of "who a GM would choose" isn't the same as "who's the better QB in a vacuum."

 

And we haven't even brought coaching or offensive system or offensive talent into the equation here.

 

So, again, saying Taylor is the 30-35th best QB is ridiculous.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Teddy KGB]

41 minutes ago, grb said:

 

Ohhhh....so McDermott's genius plan was to save Taylor from the Charger's pass rush for the rest of the season ?!? Yeah - that does sounds imbecilic, but no less so than the given reason for starting Peterman. Remember : Taylor played well against the Bucs. He played well against the Raiders. He was just about the only Bill who played well against the Jets. Then he had a bad game and was benched. Meanwhile, the defense was allowing a league-worse 400yds of offense a game over the same stretch. So, quarterback change, right?

 

It was a decision as stupid as stupid gets. That Peterman clearly wasn't ready magnified just how brainless a move it was. McDermott might as well have used a Ouija Board to decide who plays for all the common sense found in starting NP. His defense wasn't performing - to an embarrassing degree - so lets throw this **** against the wall and see if it sticks. That makes a lot of sense, right?

 

Any qbs out there who hasn’t beat up on Tampa and Oakland ?   Look at their rankings.  I won’t concede that Taylor

was good vs the jets.     The score was 34-7 with 5 mins left on the clock. 

 

You’re a Taylor enthusiast just like 26.   I’ll trust McD over both of you.

 

Congrats on the playoff berth though, didn’t think it was possible.  

Edited January 1, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

You are seriously unbelievably stubborn. So stubborn that it absolutely blinds you.

 

Is it really not become completely obvious to you yet that this whole going into a shell and becoming conservative thing is really largely a product of McDermott's game planning, which frankly I'm really not going to criticize because he managed to get us into the playoffs.

 

 But it looks pretty clear that and "McDermott world" it would be ideal to get a lead quickly and then allow the defense to hold that lead while playing Uber conservative on offense, being sure never to turn the ball over. 

 

Unbelievable that you aren't even giving credit to Taylor for winning a game. On the bills first two drives Taylor was 8/11 for 111 yards passing, 1 TD, 2/3 on 3rd downs and the team jumped out to a 10-0 lead midway into the 2nd quarter.

 

But yeah... let's not give Taylor any credit

Who’s the stubborn one?  

 

Why, because I refuse to pretend Turtle Taylor is a savior?

 

All too often the Bills won in spite of him and not because of him.  

 

40% of the games he played were under 16 points!!!

IIRC Wasn’t he also benched in one of those games?  

 

These are the “stats” that stand out and no his disguising stats trying to protect his passer rating.   

 

Why are you stubbornly clinging on?  

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

McDermott is a head coach in the nfl.   You sit in a cubicle and link tweets.  

 

You lose. 

 

  PS to transplant 

 

when I see turtle Taylor play all 4 quarters going 6 of 8 for 50 to 60 yards or better,  then I’ll change my opinion of him.  

 

That at is my issue.  He is not Hotrod   for the entire game. 

 

I started to buy in at 5-2 and then reality bit me on the buttocks.   

 

Fool me once 

Edited January 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Jay_Fixit]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Amen to this. 

I wish I could add this to my comedy act.

[DaBills51]

16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Who’s the stubborn one?  

 

Why, because I refuse to pretend Turtle Taylor is a savior?

 

All too often the Bills won in spite of him and not because of him.  

 

40% of the games he played were under 16 points!!!

IIRC Wasn’t he also benched in one of those games?  

 

These are the “stats” that stand out and no his disguising stats trying to protect his passer rating.   

 

Why are you stubbornly clinging on?  

 

  PS to transplant 

 

when I see turtle Taylor play all 4 quarters going 6 of 8 for 50 to 60 yards or better,  then I’ll change my opinion of him.  

 

That at is my issue.  He is not Hotrod   for the entire game. 

 

I started to buy in at 5-2 and then reality bit me on the buttocks.   

 

Fool me once 

 

Here is a stat for you.  Last year, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. And from 2007 to 2016, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. In the decade of the ’70s, when turnover rates were much higher, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. Link - http://www.footballperspective.com/winning-the-turnover-battle/

 

So it's safe to say that winning the turnover battle is a pretty useful metric to consider when looking at what goes into winning football games. Let's then look at the best QBs in the NFL at not turning the ball over during the past 3 years. Looking at the below, it seems to me that Taylor has done a pretty good job of giving the Bills a good chance to win by not turning the ball over. But hey, we should all just ignore facts and listen to you. 

	2017 GS	2017 INTs	2017 Fumbles Lost	2016 GS	2016 INTs	2016 Fumbles Lost	2015 GS	2015 INTs	2015 Fumbles Lost	Total Turnovers	Total Games Started	Turnovers per Game
Tyrod Taylor	14	4	2	15	6	2	14	6	1	21	43	0.49
Tom Brady	16	8	3	12	2	0	16	7	2	22	44	0.50
Alex Smith	15	5	1	15	8	4	16	7	0	25	46	0.54
Dak Prescott	16	13	3	16	4	4	0	0	0	24	32	0.75
Aaron Rodgers	7	6	1	16	7	4	16	8	4	30	39	0.77
Russell Wilson	16	11	3	16	11	2	16	8	3	38	48	0.79
Andy Dalton	16	12	4	16	8	3	13	7	2	36	45	0.80
Drew Brees	16	8	0	16	15	4	15	11	2	40	47	0.85
Jared Goff	15	7	3	7	7	2	0	0	0	19	22	0.86
Sam Bradford	2	0	0	15	5	5	14	14	3	27	31	0.87
Derek Carr	15	13	3	15	6	3	15	13	3	41	45	0.91
Matthew Stafford	16	10	7	16	10	2	16	13	2	44	48	0.92
Carson Wentz	13	7	3	16	14	3	0	0	0	27	29	0.93
Matt Ryan	16	12	3	16	7	3	16	16	5	46	48	0.96
Kirk Cousins	16	13	5	16	12	3	16	11	4	48	48	1.00
Ryan Tannehill	0	0	0	13	12	3	16	12	3	30	29	1.03
Carson Palmer	7	7	0	15	14	4	16	11	4	40	38	1.05
Cam Newton	16	16	1	14	14	2	16	10	6	49	46	1.07
Joe Flacco	16	13	0	16	15	3	10	12	2	45	42	1.07
Phillip Rivers	16	10	1	16	21	5	16	13	2	52	48	1.08
Jay Cutler	14	14	0	5	5	2	15	11	5	37	34	1.09
Marcus Mariota	15	15	1	15	9	5	12	10	6	46	42	1.10
Ben Roethlisberger	15	14	1	14	13	2	11	16	0	46	40	1.15
Tever Siemian	10	14	2	14	10	2	0	0	0	28	24	1.17
Eli Manning	15	13	5	16	16	5	16	14	4	57	47	1.21
Ryan FItzpatrick	3	3	0	11	17	1	16	15	2	38	30	1.27
Blake Bortles	15	13	3	16	16	6	16	18	5	61	47	1.30
Jameis Winston	13	11	7	16	18	6	16	15	2	59	45	1.31
Josh McCown	13	9	4	3	6	4	8	4	6	33	24	1.38
Andrew Luck	0	0	0	15	13	5	7	12	1	31	22	1.41

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, DaBills51 said:

Here is a stat for you.  Last year, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. And from 2007 to 2016, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. In the decade of the ’70s, when turnover rates were much higher, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. Link

Teams that go into a shell often regret it too.  

 

[QB Bills]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Was the QB situation much better last year? Because Taylor had so many offers to start elsewhere that he decided to take a pay cut to come back to Buffalo. 

 

 

You need to understand that this didn't happen.

 

This is what I mean when I say it's the not-so-bright fans who are at the front of the Anti-Tyrod short bus.

[reddogblitz]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Teams that go into a shell often regret it too.  

 

 

10 AFC teams are regretting what they did more. As are 10 NFC teams.

[DaBills51]

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Teams that go into a shell often regret it too.  

 

 

There is no way to know why the Bills go into a shell, but I would have to assume it's more likely coaching. There is no way a QB starts as hot as Taylor did, throwing for over 100 yards in the 1st quarter and then says "whoa...I'm playing too good right now, need to pump the breaks". 

 

Guarantee Taylor isn't the one choosing to run the play clock down to 1 second in the 3rd quarter on each play. And then when they do call passes, call designed swing passes, screens, or other no read throws. I would agree that it's probably that Dennison doesn't trust him, but that makes no sense when he has been better at protecting the football then any QB over the last 3 years. 

 

This whole lack of 2nd half scoring issue is unique to this year. Which leads to it most likely not being just Tyrod. Are we going to ignore that the offense was tied for 10th in scoring last year and 12th the year before too? 

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, DaBills51 said:

 

There is no way to know why the Bills go into a shell, but I would have to assume it's more likely coaching. There is no way a QB starts as hot as Taylor did, throwing for over 100 yards in the 1st quarter and then says "whoa...I'm playing too good right now, need to pump the breaks". 

 

Guarantee Taylor isn't the one choosing to run the play clock down to 1 second in the 3rd quarter on each play. And then when they do call passes, call designed swing passes, screens, or other no read throws. I would agree that it's probably that Dennison doesn't trust him, but that makes no sense when he has been better at protecting the football then any QB over the last 3 years. 

 

This whole lack of 2nd half scoring issue is unique to this year. Which leads to it most likely not being just Tyrod. Are we going to ignore that the offense was tied for 10th in scoring last year and 12th the year before too? 

Let’s not forget the 40-yard PI call that got them down to the one, after which they punched it in. It doesn’t show up in his yardage stats, but he made a great throw there and exploited Tankersley.

Edited January 1, 2018 by dave mcbride