Cugalabanza Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Haiti is a place of abject poverty and it's been devastated by natural disasters. But I think it's a huge mistake by the pres to call it a shithole. Same goes for the other countries he was referring to. These are people's HOMES. By the same logic, the PM of Norway could easily refer to the U.S. as a shithole. Would you be ok with that? Would Trump be ok with that? And look again at which kinds of people Trump is targeting. And who he immediately holds up as a counterexample. I'm sure most here will disagree, but Trump's behavior clearly says RACIST.
DC Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 It being people's home doesn't make it less a shithole. And denying anything is what it is means you're never going to address it. Illegal aliens are breaking the law. Haiti is a shithole.
gatorbait Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It being people's home doesn't make it less a shithole. And denying anything is what it is means you're never going to address it. Illegal aliens are breaking the law. Haiti is a shithole. The uproar isn’t about whether Nigeria and Haiti are actually shitholes. People are pissed because our President should know better and act with more class. Do you think his behavior and language is acceptable?
Cugalabanza Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It being people's home doesn't make it less a shithole. And denying anything is what it is means you're never going to address it. Illegal aliens are breaking the law. Haiti is a shithole. I used to work at a group home for adults with disabilities. People used to shout out cruel things at the residents sometimes when we went on outings. The time a guy came right up in a woman's face and called her a "retard fat !@#$," I guess that was pretty cool. Probably what I should have done, instead of getting upset, was to congratulate him on so precisely identifying the circumstances to the betterment of our collective understanding. It's true, she was in fact overweight. And her measurable intelligence was far inferior to that of the gentlemen who sought to clarify the discrepancy. Edited January 12, 2018 by Cugalabanza
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, gatorbait said: The uproar isn’t about whether Nigeria and Haiti are actually shitholes. People are pissed because our President should know better and act with more class. Do you think his behavior and language is acceptable? We have dug ourselves into an amazingly huge hole of debt and crumbling infrastructure, all the while ignoring the wholesale corruption, primarily because we have phony as *$@! politicians using behavior and language to distract people from long term consequences so they can feel better in the short term. I think straight shooting and colorful language is exactly what we need at this point in time. Diplomatic niceties can go pound sand.
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Haiti is a place of abject poverty and it's been devastated by natural disasters. But I think it's a huge mistake by the pres to call it a shithole. Same goes for the other countries he was referring to. These are people's HOMES. By the same logic, the PM of Norway could easily refer to the U.S. as a shithole. Would you be ok with that? Would Trump be ok with that? And look again at which kinds of people Trump is targeting. And who he immediately holds up as a counterexample. I'm sure most here will disagree, but Trump's behavior clearly says RACIST. It's racist to want Westernized, educated, self-sufficient individuals to immigrate here as opposed to uneducated, often uninoculated, individuals from the third world? Also, those places are **** holes, and they are **** holes because of their governments. 1
gatorbait Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: We have dug ourselves into an amazingly huge hole of debt and crumbling infrastructure, all the while ignoring the wholesale corruption, primarily because we have phony as *$@! politicians using behavior and language to distract people from long term consequences so they can feel better in the short term. I think straight shooting and colorful language is exactly what we need at this point in time. Diplomatic niceties can go pound sand. Then he should try and fix that stuff. How does calling a country a shithole help anything? If you can’t see that he takes a step backward every time he puts his foot in his mouth like this then I don’t know what to tell you.
Azalin Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: I used to work at a group home for adults with disabilities. People used to shout out cruel things at the residents sometimes when we went on outings. The time a guy came right up in a woman's face and called her a "retard fat !@#$," I guess that was pretty cool. Probably what I should have done, instead of getting upset, was to congratulate him on so precisely identifying the circumstances to the betterment of our collective understanding. It's true, she was in fact overweight. And her measurable intelligence was far inferior to that of the gentlemen who sought to clarify the discrepancy. Do you really not see a difference between what Tom said and the scenario you posted? 4 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: I think straight shooting and colorful language is exactly what we need at this point in time. Diplomatic niceties can go pound sand. This X 2
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Countries that are long term shitholes are shitholes because of corruption and politics. That's why a country like Venezuela, loaded with natural resources is a shithole while Japan, devoid of natural resources thrives. People choose the country they want, invariably. (when I talk people I'm talking people in general, not the Sally Struthers caricature of the starving child)
Cugalabanza Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Azalin said: Do you really not see a difference between what Tom said and the scenario you posted? I see a difference and I see a similarity. Trump is like the shouting guy because he acts without any sense of dignity. He pisses people off unnecessarily. He could make his point in a way that didn't enrage people and exacerbate the problem. But he chooses instead to generalize and use hateful language. Because he's a bully and a bigot.
Nanker Posted January 12, 2018 Author Posted January 12, 2018 I will not defend his language but I have to ask, how many Haitians do we need to import every year? What’s a reasonable number? Should they have any qualifications or should we just let them pour in? Do you think the lottery is a good thing for America and a reasonable way to allot immigration quotas? I think it’s absurd as is the chain migration that allows cousins etc to enter the country in preference to others. I also dont don’t think it’s our job to clean up Haiti. It’s not going to happen anyway. I gave a lot of money to the Haitian relief effort and I have zero assurance that any of it was used to help anyone there except to line the pockets of the local authorities.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, gatorbait said: Then he should try and fix that stuff. How does calling a country a shithole help anything? If you can’t see that he takes a step backward every time he puts his foot in his mouth like this then I don’t know what to tell you. Because to get past the media filter, which would do everything it could to assist the Democrats in glossing over the fact that they support continued mass migration from those countries, he had to call them shithole countries to bring attention to the matter. If you don't understand that then I don't know what to tell you. It's interesting watching the media have a psychotic breakdown trying to figure out what to filter and what to get outrageous about. When the 'shithole countries' story first came out they were spinning up the machine to try and drive public outrage against Trump, but you can already see them starting to downplay it a little because that public outrage never really materialized. My local rag is as leftwing as it comes, and if they thought they could get traction on this story it would have had huge front page headlines. Instead there was a small headline directing people to read about it on page 5. We certainly live in interesting times. Edited January 12, 2018 by Gavin in Va Beach
Paulus Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Racism and nationalism are not the same. Man, I wonder if all these pissed off Haitians, in America, would even consider returning to thier home country.
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: I used to work at a group home for adults with disabilities. People used to shout out cruel things at the residents sometimes when we went on outings. The time a guy came right up in a woman's face and called her a "retard fat !@#$," I guess that was pretty cool. Probably what I should have done, instead of getting upset, was to congratulate him on so precisely identifying the circumstances to the betterment of our collective understanding. It's true, she was in fact overweight. And her measurable intelligence was far inferior to that of the gentlemen who sought to clarify the discrepancy. Was that in Canada or Brazil?
DC Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: I used to work at a group home for adults with disabilities. People used to shout out cruel things at the residents sometimes when we went on outings. The time a guy came right up in a woman's face and called her a "retard fat !@#$," I guess that was pretty cool. Probably what I should have done, instead of getting upset, was to congratulate him on so precisely identifying the circumstances to the betterment of our collective understanding. It's true, she was in fact overweight. And her measurable intelligence was far inferior to that of the gentlemen who sought to clarify the discrepancy. Was the group home a shithole?
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Was that in Canada or Brazil? Ooops. Confusing you with KW95.
gatorbait Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: Because to get pass the media filter, which would do everything it could to assist the Democrats in glossing over the fact that they support continued mass migration from those countries, he had to call them shithole countries to bring attention to the matter. He had to call them shithole countries to bring attention to immigration? What a joke, he’s been talking about it since he started campaigning. Now people are going to pay attention to him about immigration because he said some countries are shitholes? Legal immigration isn’t going anywhere. We will continue to take refugees and immigrants from all over the world. We can talk all day about fixing illegal immigration but immigration isn’t going to stop because Donald said Haiti and Nigeria are shitholes. Where are your ancestors from? I bet you aren’t Native American.
Paulus Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, gatorbait said: The uproar isn’t about whether Nigeria and Haiti are actually shitholes. People are pissed because our President should know better and act with more class. Do you think his behavior and language is acceptable?
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 I think Republicans should start leaking EVERYTHING Dems say in private confidence, see how they like it... 2
Cugalabanza Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Was the group home a shithole? No, it was actually kind of nice. For example, if a person had a health issue, we didn't mock them for it and kick them out of the house. We called the doctor and tried to help them. Edited January 12, 2018 by Cugalabanza
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