jrober38 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 There should be a whole bunch of angry Trump supporters after today's video. They're going to make a deal on DACA, and the wall isn't going to be anything close to what he promised during his campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, jrober38 said: There should be a whole bunch of angry Trump supporters after today's video. They're going to make a deal on DACA, and the wall isn't going to be anything close to what he promised during his campaign. That remains to be seen. I saw that entire video, and I saw nothing too radical either way. In fact, I found the cooperative spirit among the participants to be extremely refreshing. The only pundit I've heard whose head is about to explode over it is Ann Coulter. I suspect that your idea of how Trump supporters are may be a bit inaccurate, but again, that remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Azalin said: That remains to be seen. I saw that entire video, and I saw nothing too radical either way. In fact, I found the cooperative spirit among the participants to be extremely refreshing. The only pundit I've heard whose head is about to explode over it is Ann Coulter. I suspect that your idea of how Trump supporters are may be a bit inaccurate, but again, that remains to be seen. Well said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Azalin said: That remains to be seen. I saw that entire video, and I saw nothing too radical either way. In fact, I found the cooperative spirit among the participants to be extremely refreshing. The only pundit I've heard whose head is about to explode over it is Ann Coulter. I suspect that your idea of how Trump supporters are may be a bit inaccurate, but again, that remains to be seen. Trump is not going to make a DACA deal without getting what he wants as regards to a wall. The only reason the dems don't want a wall is that it will mean Trump has come through on a promise. All the prominent dems have been for a wall in the past. Unfortunately the dems appear to want to make this very partisan. Trump needs to have more "negotiating" sessions televised like he had today. He could be seen as the reasonable one and get bonus points for being very transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Azalin said: That remains to be seen. I saw that entire video, and I saw nothing too radical either way. In fact, I found the cooperative spirit among the participants to be extremely refreshing. The only pundit I've heard whose head is about to explode over it is Ann Coulter. I suspect that your idea of how Trump supporters are may be a bit inaccurate, but again, that remains to be seen. And tucker Carlson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Doesn’t matter if a wall isn’t built, the aim was to put some sanity back into immigration control, which has clearly been achieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 hours ago, jrober38 said: There should be a whole bunch of angry Trump supporters after today's video. They're going to make a deal on DACA, and the wall isn't going to be anything close to what he promised during his campaign. Yeah, Fox News and MSLSD and CNN have video of it playing right now. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of unruly protesters are in the streets, turning over police cars, burning stores, looting (big screen TVs are a prized item), and some have even dressed up in giant penis and scrotum costumes. They’re just going nuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Nanker said: Yeah, Fox News and MSLSD and CNN have video of it playing right now. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of unruly protesters are in the streets, turning over police cars, burning stores, looting (big screen TVs are a prized item), and some have even dressed up in giant penis and scrotum costumes. They’re just going nuts! We don't refer to nuts, scrotums and penises here. Those references make gator full of envy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Trump is not going to make a DACA deal without getting what he wants as regards to a wall. The only reason the dems don't want a wall is that it will mean Trump has come through on a promise. All the prominent dems have been for a wall in the past. Unfortunately the dems appear to want to make this very partisan. Trump needs to have more "negotiating" sessions televised like he had today. He could be seen as the reasonable one and get bonus points for being very transparent. Prepare to be very disappointed. Trump ran on the promise that he'd build a great wall, and that Mexico will pay for it. Neither of those things are going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Prepare to be very disappointed. Trump ran on the promise that he'd build a great wall, and that Mexico will pay for it. Neither of those things are going to happen. Around these parts we tend to frown upon proclamations vs. discussion. Without laying out the "why" your words are meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Around these parts we tend to frown upon proclamations vs. discussion. Without laying out the "why" your words are meaningless. No, my words are just something you aren't willing to accept. Trump promised a wall, and said Mexico would pay for it. As things stand, the wall is going to be nothing like the one he promised (won't cover the whole border, a lot of fence and limited bricks and mortar), and Mexico isn't going to pay a dime for it. When Trump compromises here on DACA and the Wall, the Republicans are going to get taken to the woodshed this November. The Trump MAGA agenda will prove to have been a scam that he either couldn't deliver or didn't fight hard enough for, with none of the major talking points having been delivered and most falling way short of what he promised to his base in 2016. Mid term elections are historically difficult for the party in power, and with the wall being the most high profile thing he ran on, if that falls way short of the mark and they grant amnesty to all the DACA kids, I think the Republicans can expect a lot of the swing voters to either flip, or stay home, and the Dems should have a really good chance at winning the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: No, my words are just something you aren't willing to accept. Trump promised a wall, and said Mexico would pay for it. As things stand, the wall is going to be nothing like the one he promised (won't cover the whole border, a lot of fence and limited bricks and mortar), and Mexico isn't going to pay a dime for it. When Trump compromises here on DACA and the Wall, the Republicans are going to get taken to the woodshed this November. The Trump MAGA agenda will prove to have been a scam that he either couldn't deliver or didn't fight hard enough for, with none of the major talking points having been delivered and most falling way short of what he promised to his base in 2016. Mid term elections are historically difficult for the party in power, and with the wall being the most high profile thing he ran on, if that falls way short of the mark and they grant amnesty to all the DACA kids, I think the Republicans can expect a lot of the swing voters to either flip, or stay home, and the Dems should have a really good chance at winning the house. "Democracy Drowns in Stupid." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: "Democracy Drowns in Stupid." You talking about Trump, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: No, my words are just something you aren't willing to accept. Trump promised a wall, and said Mexico would pay for it. As things stand, the wall is going to be nothing like the one he promised (won't cover the whole border, a lot of fence and limited bricks and mortar), and Mexico isn't going to pay a dime for it. When Trump compromises here on DACA and the Wall, the Republicans are going to get taken to the woodshed this November. The Trump MAGA agenda will prove to have been a scam that he either couldn't deliver or didn't fight hard enough for, with none of the major talking points having been delivered and most falling way short of what he promised to his base in 2016. Mid term elections are historically difficult for the party in power, and with the wall being the most high profile thing he ran on, if that falls way short of the mark and they grant amnesty to all the DACA kids, I think the Republicans can expect a lot of the swing voters to either flip, or stay home, and the Dems should have a really good chance at winning the house. Looks like you've discounted all of the good that has happened so far and are hoping and feeling that you might get your desired outcome of the dems in power. Trump is a doer and is methodically working down his list. I'm a conservative and don't have a problem with allowing the dreamers to stay. I don't think they should be given citizenship and chain migration and the lottery can be tossed as well. If we get walls/fences where it makes sense and secure borders in other areas then I will be happy. The best part of the Trump presidency is he's showing that he believes in the law and is more than willing to support the legislature in their legal rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Looks like you've discounted all of the good that has happened so far and are hoping and feeling that you might get your desired outcome of the dems in power. Trump is a doer and is methodically working down his list. I'm a conservative and don't have a problem with allowing the dreamers to stay. I don't think they should be given citizenship and chain migration and the lottery can be tossed as well. If we get walls/fences where it makes sense and secure borders in other areas then I will be happy. The best part of the Trump presidency is he's showing that he believes in the law and is more than willing to support the legislature in their legal rights. OMG, you sure drank the cool aid! Law and order, while bashing the FBI? Getting things done? A tax cut, ok! I thought we were going to get the best health care? Mexico paying for the stupid wall? Ya right. He sits around eating big macs and yelling at the tv, what a doer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: No, my words are just something you aren't willing to accept. Trump promised a wall, and said Mexico would pay for it. As things stand, the wall is going to be nothing like the one he promised (won't cover the whole border, a lot of fence and limited bricks and mortar), and Mexico isn't going to pay a dime for it. When Trump compromises here on DACA and the Wall, the Republicans are going to get taken to the woodshed this November. The Trump MAGA agenda will prove to have been a scam that he either couldn't deliver or didn't fight hard enough for, with none of the major talking points having been delivered and most falling way short of what he promised to his base in 2016. Mid term elections are historically difficult for the party in power, and with the wall being the most high profile thing he ran on, if that falls way short of the mark and they grant amnesty to all the DACA kids, I think the Republicans can expect a lot of the swing voters to either flip, or stay home, and the Dems should have a really good chance at winning the house. Your original post began with this sentence: " There should be a whole bunch of angry Trump supporters after today's video." Wouldn't you think that after 24 hours, we'd be seeing story after story about pissed off Trump supporters? My disagreement is with your assessment of Trump supporters, and the implication that they are a bunch of pissed-off, nationalist rednecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: OMG, you sure drank the cool aid! Law and order, while bashing the FBI? Getting things done? A tax cut, ok! I thought we were going to get the best health care? Mexico paying for the stupid wall? Ya right. He sits around eating big macs and yelling at the tv, what a doer! You offer a lot to work with there, but is there anyone anywhere who is paying attention that doesn't see why some factions within the FBI are getting justly criticized for their dirty political deeds since 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 40 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: You offer a lot to work with there, but is there anyone anywhere who is paying attention that doesn't see why some factions within the FBI are getting justly criticized for their dirty political deeds since 2016? Examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 18 hours ago, jrober38 said: There should be a whole bunch of angry Trump supporters after today's video. They're going to make a deal on DACA, and the wall isn't going to be anything close to what he promised during his campaign. Most Americans want amnesty for those in DACA. Most want better border security. If a deal is struck delivering both it would be a victory for Trump and our country. The fringe right might not like it, but they're small in number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Most Americans want amnesty for those in DACA. Most want better border security. If a deal is struck delivering both it would be a victory for Trump and our country. The fringe right might not like it, but they're small in number. Except the Democrats will claim it, the media will parrot them, and Trump will still br Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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