Rodak: Bills Remain Confident in Zay Jones

[JPP]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Correct if Zay had nobody around him for 5 or 6 yards and could catch balls thrown off target all would be good.

Yes i guess he used his vulcan mind powers to have him drop balls.....yeah thats what it is.....LOL!

[Teddy KGB]

2 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

In the 15 games in which LeSean McCoy, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods and Charles Clay were all on the field, Taylor has a 64-percent completion rate, throwing for 3,362 yards for 26 touchdowns and just six interceptions. In the 14 games in which one of those players weren’t available, Taylor’s numbers sunk, as he completed just 61.2-percent of his passes for 2,697 yards, throwing only 11 touchdowns and six interceptions.

 

My comment would be that it seems like maybe he needs a decent receiver to throw to.

 

Tyrod with all his weapons and an offseason of practice ??‍♂️?

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MIAuac3WdrQ

 

He had good wideouts and still was meh at best with no shows often. 

 

Just look at poor Marquise Goodwin for god sakes.   

 

Zay will be solid next season when we have a passing attack that reaches nfl standards 

 

Edited December 29, 2017 by Teddy KGB

[klos63]

1 hour ago, hemma said:

If he was allowed to catch balls thrown out of bounds, he'd be > 2,000 yards.

If it's Taylor's fault, why did Jones get demoted?

[Bills Pimpin']

In a few weeks you can ask "If it's all the WR's fault, why did Taylor get fired?"

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Rodak: Bills remain confident in Zay Jones despite rookie's 'humbling' season

 

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Buffalo Bills wide receiver Zay Jones is tied with Los Angeles Rams receiver Cooper Kupp in having played 712 snaps this season, seventh-most among rookies who play on offense.

 

But the disparity in production between the two has been striking. Kupp, a third-round pick, has 62 catches for 869 yards and five touchdowns. Jones, a second-round pick, has 25 catches for 291 yards and two touchdowns.

 

It has been an underwhelming season for the Bills' 32nd-ranked passing offense, and Jones' disappointing performance has been just one part of the losing equation for offensive coordinator Rick Dennison.

 

The combo of Dennison and TT is a killer for a WR.  No WR on the Bills can produce.  I haven't lost faith in Zay based upon this year.  

48 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Funny how Deonte Thompson came in off the street to make contributions to the team immediately and eventually supplant Zay in the starting lineup.  

 

No need to make excuses for Zay. He's been a disappointment and that's on him.   Here's to a better 2018 and beyond. 

 

D. Thompson makes a few plays on poorly thrown balls.  His stats are nothing stellar.  He'd be much better also with a quality WR.  So would Benjamin, Clay, and Zay.  Watkins, Woods, and Goodwin! are all having much better seasons without TT.  

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

For the purposes of comparison.

 

 

That's interesting.  What do the highest rated WR's all have in common: a good QB.  Although, I think I'd take JuJu over Kupp or Cole.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

He’s a rookie who plays with an inaccurate QB on an offense that struggles to find rhythm.  It’s not surprising he hasn’t found his game yet.

 

Zay is far down the list of issues for the Bills. 

 

 

His bumbled route and subsequent inability to pull in the throw in Carolina was the single most negatively influential play of the Bills 2017 season.

 

If he doesn't trip over his feet there or at least makes the tough catch(catches like that are what got him drafted early in the first place) then it's a game-winning TD and the Bills are in control of their own destiny to win 10 games for the first time in almost two decades.

 

He is down the list of issues but the impact of his poor play has been acutely significant.

[26CornerBlitz]

13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

The combo of Dennison and TT is a killer for a WR.  No WR on the Bills can produce.  I haven't lost faith in Zay based upon this year.  

 

D. Thompson makes a few plays on poorly thrown balls.  His stats are nothing stellar.  He'd be much better also with a quality WR.  So would Benjamin, Clay, and Zay.  Watkins, Woods, and Goodwin! are all having much better seasons without TT.  

 

That's interesting.  What do the highest rated WR's all have in common: a good QB.  Although, I think I'd take JuJu over Kupp or Cole.  

 

Your argument was just trashed by a rookie WR who has Bortles as his QB. 

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

The combo of Dennison and TT is a killer for a WR.  No WR on the Bills can produce.  I haven't lost faith in Zay based upon this year.  

 

D. Thompson makes a few plays on poorly thrown balls.  His stats are nothing stellar.  He'd be much better also with a quality WR.  So would Benjamin, Clay, and Zay.  Watkins, Woods, and Goodwin! are all having much better seasons without TT.  

 

 

 

Said it before...........Woods and Watkins combined numbers would have been better with Tyrod Taylor this year than they will be with Goff.  

 

Goodwin was an outlier..........I said for years that he was the Bills second most gifted receiver(more talent than Woods or Hogan).

 

He is fast, quick, great body control,  tracks the ball well and catches it with his hands..........just hadn't applied himself or built a football body during his first 3 years collecting paychecks to fund his training for the Olympics.

 

He'd have been a hit with Tyrod this year too.........the nine/comeback combo they had going worked well in 2016 and has been unusable with the lumbering WR's the Bills have fielded for most of 2017............ but the unknown was whether he would just collect the signing bonus and mail it in.......dude doesn't love football.

Edited December 29, 2017 by BADOLBILZ

[paulbills]

Hoo boy, the ineptitude at evaluating WRs on this board is disgustingly evident, no wonder all of our ex WRs are balling out for other teams? You're throwing a R O O K I E wide receiver under the bus for under performing while having a horribly inconsistent QB at the helm, that is totally mind boggling.

 

It used to make me upset to see all of our talent go to other teams and thrive, but after seeing such arrogance on display when "evaluating" a rookie, it honestly makes me laugh, good for Hogan, Woods, Watkins and Goodwin, at least they're not being undervalued!

Edited December 29, 2017 by paulbills

[klos63]

57 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

In a few weeks you can ask "If it's all the WR's fault, why did Taylor get fired?"

I don't plan on asking that.

14 minutes ago, paulbills said:

Hoo boy, the ineptitude at evaluating WRs on this board is disgustingly evident, no wonder all of our ex WRs are balling out for other teams? You're throwing a R O O K I E wide receiver under the bus for under performing while having a horribly inconsistent QB at the helm, that is totally mind boggling.

 

It used to make me upset to see all of our talent go to other teams and thrive, but after seeing such arrogance on display when "evaluating" a rookie, it honestly makes me laugh, good for Hogan, Woods, Watkins and Goodwin, at least they're not being undervalued!

I'm not giving up on him, I understand rookie WR's often have troubles early on, but the coaching staff demoted him, so there is a little more cause for concern.

[Mr. WEO]

41 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Your argument was just trashed by a rookie WR who has Bortles as his QB. 

 

Winston ain't so great this year either.

[blacklabel]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Ay my god.

 

Enough of this. Zay dropping balls and struggling to get speration is independent of Tyrod. 

 

Not necessarily. Taylor is not an anticipatory passer nor does he attempt very many tight window throws. He's a "see it, throw it" QB which means he usually only pulls the trigger when he can clearly see his guy open. He very rarely throws guys open or throws to a spot where only his receiver has a chance to make a play. WRs do not get separation on every route they run so you can't put it 100% on Zay. It's unrealistic for QBs to expect their receivers to create separation and get open on every single passing down. Taylor has to take those chances once in a while and sling it to a guy who's covered and put it in a spot where his WR has a chance to make a play. 

 

But by the same token, when a receiver does get open and the QB puts it in his range or hits him smack-dab in the hands, he has to catch it. Taylor has that "area code accuracy" as they say. His ball placement isn't always where it should be. Too many times he makes a throw that causes the receiver to either slow up, twist or turn, go up high or dig it out of the dirt to catch it and that takes away yards after catch. It's not very often we see him hit one of his guys in stride. I wholeheartedly believe Taylor's height is a major detriment to his game. The dude just does not see the field well, and I don't mean he doesn't run through his progressions or make the right reads, I mean his height causes his view of the field to be obstructed almost every time he's in the pocket due to the monster OL and DLs in front of him. Also why he gets so many passes smacked back in his face.Taylor would be at his best in an offense with a solid running game (which he's had since he became the starter) and a more vertical passing attack as opposed to the short stuff that Dennison seems to favor. That was kind of their MO in 2015 during the second half of the season when he and Watkins were connecting regularly and the deep ball was one of Taylor's best throws. But this offense just doesn't suit him and they don't really have a field-stretcher at receiver. 

 

Either way, I think Zay will be fine. He seems like the type of kid who will wanna work twice as hard in preparation for next season so he doesn't have a repeat of his rookie year. 

[MDH]

3 hours ago, dneveu said:

He's had drops - don't blame everything on the QB.  He's had uncatchable targets too.

 

I saw a stat the other day that said Zay leads the league in uncatchable target percentage (with a qualifying number of targets of 50). 50% of the balls thrown in Zays direction are uncatchable. I believe Goodwin was second in this list with 47% or so.

 

This doesn’t absolve him from all the drops he’s had, but his lack of production isn’t only on his shoulders.

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, MDH said:

I saw a stat the other day that said Zay leads the league in uncatchable target percentage (with a qualifying number of targets of 50). 50% of the balls thrown in Zays direction are uncatchable. I believe Goodwin was second in this list with 47% or so.

 

This doesn’t absolve him from all the drops he’s had, but his lack of production isn’t only on his shoulders.

 

Why is it just him though? That's the Question. No other WR on our roster has below a 50% catch rate, let alone 50% uncatchable balls.

[Success]

If I started a list of guys who were called busts early in their career who went on to become good or great, it would be significant.

 

I still believe in Zay.  His biggest weakness was his greatest strength in college.  

Edited December 29, 2017 by Success

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

His bumbled route and subsequent inability to pull in the throw in Carolina 

 

Or you could stop peddling your cot nonsense. 

 

At least tt throws a better ball than Gabbert to Brown ?

Edited December 29, 2017 by Teddy KGB

[Bills Pimpin']

18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I don't think anyone's giving up on Zay.... but cementing him as the #2 or even #3 on the depth chart next year would be a very careless(and typical Bills) move. 

 

Let him prove hes improved. 

 

They should look for an upgrade via draft or FA. 

Holy shitballs, I agree with Scott!!!!!!!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, MDH said:

 

I saw a stat the other day that said Zay leads the league in uncatchable target percentage (with a qualifying number of targets of 50). 50% of the balls thrown in Zays direction are uncatchable. I believe Goodwin was second in this list with 47% or so.

 

This doesn’t absolve him from all the drops he’s had, but his lack of production isn’t only on his shoulders.

 

Also mean's hes probably struggled with his route running.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

Also mean's hes probably struggled with his route running.  

 

 

No doubt..........the Carolina pass that would have won the game no doubt fell into the uncatchable category........after he stumbled in his route, lost track of where he was and faded to the front pylon instead of the rear pylon.   Still some dedicated knuckleheads on TSW who think that was on Tyrod when the players have said it was on Zay.

 

Been a number of stumbling bumblings in the route tree for Zay.    

 

How about the deep sideline ball in Atlanta?    That was one of the uglier pieces of wide receiving you will ever see.

[Bad Things]

Zay will wind up being a total stud.