Sammy who?

[C.Biscuit97]

He has 1 less touchdown than all of our wrs combined!  But Jordan Matthews picked Up the slack.  Our offense was a lot of fun to watch this year and I'm sure the Rams really regret that trade!

[The Now Moment]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He has 1 less touchdown than all of our wrs combined!  But Jordan Matthews picked Up the slack.  Our offense was a lot of fun to watch this year and I'm sure the Rams really regret that trade!

I'm not saying anything about Sammy's stats.  However, the Rams did give up a solid corner who has produced well for us but has been hurt and they gave us a 2nd round pick.  If he leaves, was it still worth trading for him (Rams perspective)?  If he doesn't resign for them and we resign Gaines and he stays healthy going forward, that looks like a nice trade to me from our point of view.  Obviously, that's a lot of ifs at this point but it could turn out to be a really nice moving forward.

 

Plus, the second round draft pick could turn out to be a solid player as well.  

2 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

I love McBean but with Sammy we would easily be up a game right now (probably Carolina) and ready to clinch a playoff birth.  Just sayin'.

And then he'd be gone the next year because he was frustrated with his situation here.  Then, you have nothing to show for a guy we traded two first round picks for.  That'd be a tough pill to swallow.

Edited December 29, 2017 by Buffalo30

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

I'm not saying anything about Sammy's stats.  However, the Rams did give up a solid corner who has produced well for us but has been hurt and they gave us a 2nd round pick.  If he leaves, was it still worth trading for him (Rams perspective)?  If he doesn't resign for them and we resign Gaines and he stays healthy going forward, that looks like a nice trade to me from our point of view.  Obviously, that's a lot of ifs at this point but it could turn out to be a really nice moving forward.

 

Plus, the second round draft pick could turn out to be a solid player as well.  

And then he'd be gone the next year because he was frustrated with his situation here.  Then, you have nothing to show for a guy we traded two first round picks for.  That'd be a tough pill to swallow.

Gaines was a throw in that if the Bills really liked could have gotten for next to nothing. Quit thinking it was some coup.  It was blind luck and the Bills got an injury prone db.

 

So now they have a late second round pick.  Whoopdedoo.....

[The Now Moment]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Gaines was a throw in that if the Bills really liked could have gotten for next to nothing. Quit thinking it was some coup.  It was blind luck and the Bills got an injury prone db.

 

So now they have a late second round pick.  Whoopdedoo.....

Gaines has been solid when on the field.  It fits the system perfectly.  We are 7-3 with him and 1-4 without him.  He clearly makes a difference when he's on the field, it's easy to see.  Whether he was a throw-in or not, it worked out really well.  He was fairly productive with the Rams in his career before coming here.  Was a no name to us but fairly productive nonetheless.  A second round pick is a valuable asset and most likely a starter.  Dawkins was a late second...

 

Watkins was disgruntled and showed no signs of wanting to come back, we potentially got two starters in return...that's pretty good in my book.

Edited December 29, 2017 by Buffalo30

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

And then he'd be gone the next year because he was frustrated with his situation here.  Then, you have nothing to show for a guy we traded two first round picks for.  That'd be a tough pill to swallow.

Not making the playoffs because of one dropped pass at the end of the Carolina game could be a tough pill to swallow.

 

[The Now Moment]

2 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

Not making the playoffs because of one dropped pass at the end of the Carolina game could be a tough pill to swallow.

 

So you'd be happy if Sammy was here this year and then left with Buffalo getting nothing in return?

[The Now Moment]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Pick up his option and he's here next year..... for the thousandth time....

Whaley declined it...

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Buffalo30 said:

Whaley declined it...

 

No way Whaley would do that if he was calling the shots.  It had to be McDermott.

[The Now Moment]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

???

 

You really believe that don't you?

McDermott certainly had a hand in that but coming off a year where Sammy played in 8 games and had 28 catches...not exactly giving me a lot of confidence in signing him.

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No way Whaley would do that if he was calling the shots.  It had to be McDermott.

Even if they signed him to the one year extension with the option, he could've left after that as showed how frustrated he was here.  

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:

McDermott certainly had a hand in that but coming off a year where Sammy played in 8 games and had 28 catches...not exactly giving me a lot of confidence in signing him.

Even if they signed him to the one year extension with the option, he could've left after that as showed how frustrated he was here.  

 

They would have had two years to figure out what to do by exercising the 5th year option.   Oh well. What's done is done.

[The Now Moment]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They would have had two years to figure out what to do by exercising the 5th year option.   Oh well. What's done is done.

Will be very interested to see if we resign Gaines.  He has played well when on the field.  If we sign him to a contract with playing time incentives (injury clause), we may be able to cross off CB as a high need and maybe just draft one later in the draft.  The second round pick could be a starter (Dawkins was a late second rounder).  I think we got a solid deal if this happens.

[Cynical]

7 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

I don’t think I’d disagree with any. In fact pretty close to my take. 

 

Not sure Sammy’s ability to handle complex schemes, but that’s simply an unknown not a disagreement.

 

I think it's more known than unknown.

 

Back in October/November, Watkins did an interview with USA today, and he admitted he is still struggling with reading defensive coverages.

Just recently, he admitted Goff, at times, had to explain to him, in the huddle, some of the offensive concepts of a called play.

 

This is not a good look for a 4th year WR. If he's still struggling with the mental part of the game, his only asset is his speed = Decoy ability.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

I think it's more known than unknown.

 

Back in October/November, Watkins did an interview with USA today, and he admitted he is still struggling with reading defensive coverages.

Just recently, he admitted Goff, at times, had to explain to him, in the huddle, some of the offensive concepts of a called play.

 

This is not a good look for a 4th year WR. If he's still struggling with the mental part of the game, his only asset is his speed = Decoy ability.

 

Whaley loved himself some low iq players, boy howdy.

[stinky finger]

16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Sammy was never a bad wr. He was just painted that way by ignorant fans. It was always about the qb. And if the Rams are smart they resign him.

What type of terms you talkin'?

8 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

It's funny how anyone who has a different opinion than you just does not understand football. And when you say "I'm out" and then comment 5 more times, you show real insecurity in your position.

yeah - he's a @#$% like that.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

3 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

So you'd be happy if Sammy was here this year and then left with Buffalo getting nothing in return?

Yes, that would have been perfect.  We win 1-2 more games this year to make playoffs, get an equal or better replacement in FA or draft.  Perfect.

 

 

[Magox]

20 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

So Watkins has more yards and more touchdowns on ~20% let receptions. What is your point again?

 

His point is that Sammy has failed to live up to expectations and is not nearly as good as many on this board believe him to be.

 

 

20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Your point doesn't add up.  

 

So you are saying that he was worth that first round pick?  

20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

There's another boxscore scout who doesn't get impact beyond numbers.    

 

He has not been a key player for the Rams.  Without him they still will the same amount of games.  Let's just admit that he hasn't lived up to expectations and that he's not as good as you and most others believed he was.

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

His point is that Sammy has failed to live up to expectations and is not nearly as good as many on this board believe him to be.

 

 

 

So you are saying that he was worth that first round pick?  

Sammy Watkins has elite talent.

 

That's a fact.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

His point is that Sammy has failed to live up to expectations and is not nearly as good as many on this board believe him to be.

 

So you are saying that he was worth that first round pick?  

 

He has not been a key player for the Rams.  Without him they still will the same amount of games.  Let's just admit that he hasn't lived up to expectations and that he's not as good as you and most others believed he was.

 

Let's just let you have your opinion while I'll listen to what Sean McVay and his Ram temmates have to say. 

[Magox]

8 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Sammy Watkins has elite talent.

 

That's a fact.

What's even more of a fact is that he has severely underperformed his talent and has been a huge disappointment.

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

What's even more of a fact is that he has severely underperformed his talent and has been a huge disappointment.

So far, yeah.  Thing is, he's on the Rams if he puts it together.  He's 24 years old.