Why "Loyalty" Might Not Factor Into McDermott Possibly Firing Dennison Like Many Think

[pimp on da' net]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Yates was a veteran camp arm who was familiar with the system/terminology.  Nothing more.  Why would this sour you on Dennison?

I am NOT a fan of coaches who pre-determine a system instead of tailoring an approach to the talent at hand, ala Rex and the dismantling of a top ranked defense.

 

One thing I do like about Rico's approach is that it doesn't require a top flight QB. It values more of a pre-snap read, timing type passing game with a QB that can be more of a game manager. I keep thinking of a A. Dalton, Flacco or Shaub type QB these players are more readily available than the franchise type QB...I'll give him another off season to identify a QB to run his system.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Screen to DiMarco at the Pats 9 was arguably the worst offensive play call in an important game in Bills history.

 

Then he doubled down with more Tolbert.

 

He's 62 years old..........he doesn't *have* to go......but he can be upgraded a lot easier than the QB play can be.

 

As for Dennison grooming a new QB..........please keep in mind that Peyton Manning hated this offense.......and that was with KUBIAK calling the plays........Manning basically took away Kubiak's playcalling duties.     It's not necessarily a fit for everyone.   It's not just Tyrod.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

3 hours ago, kota said:

How many OC's failed to get anything out of Tyrod Taylor?  3?  Tyrod cannot throw which forces the OC to do out of the box type plays to get yards.  Like the screen pass to the FB which failed miserably.  

 

BOOM goes the dynamite!!! THIS!!!!!!!! x1,000,000,000.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, kota said:

How many OC's failed to get anything out of Tyrod Taylor?  3?  Tyrod cannot throw which forces the OC to do out of the box type plays to get yards.  Like the screen pass to the FB which failed miserably.  

 

 

Anthony Lynn failed to get anything out of Tyrod?

 

 Top 7 scoring offense........lead NFL in big plays(did with Roman in 2015 too).........near record for fewest turnovers in a season.......all in a year where they were so desperate for healthy WR that they had to pull Percy out of retirement and start him that same week.

 

Lynn never gets the HC job with Chargers WITHOUT what Tyrod did offensively.     Don't believe?   How did his offense look sans Tyrod after Whaley made him bench him?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Anthony Lynn failed to get anything out of Tyrod?

 

 Top 7 scoring offense........lead NFL in big plays(did with Roman in 2015 too).........near record for fewest turnovers in a season.......all in a year where they were so desperate for healthy WR that they had to pull Percy out of retirement and start him that same week.

 

Lynn never gets the HC job with Chargers WITHOUT what Tyrod did offensively.     Don't believe?   How did his offense look sans Tyrod after Whaley made him bench him?

 

2017. HOW does one have "success" when your quarterback doesn't pass for 300 yards in ANY games?

 

2016. HOW does one have "success" when your quarterback doesn't pass for 300 yards in but ONE game?

 

2015. HOW does one have "success" when your quarterback doesn't pass for 300 yards in ANY games?

 

Some big arm he has... LMAO This Tyrodsplaining is just ridiculous! You CANNOT BE A CHAMPION if your QB can't throw for 300 yards in a game!!!!!! He simply sucks.

Edited December 29, 2017 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Woodman19]

Can someone please tell me what this magical system is that can somehow turn below average passing QB's into suddenly good players?   We are on our 3rd offensive coordinator with the same QB... At some point the common denominator must be found.

[westerndecline]

3 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Given the questionable offensive play calling, use of Tolbert as an RB2, blocking scheme that took more than half a season for the OLIne to grasp, Ducasse at RG, as well as losses attributed to the offense in the Carolina, Cincy, and arguably the Jets (insisting on running against a five man front) games, I'm having a hard time seeing exactly how Dennison is an asset to this team.

Give him another year and new QB?  No.  How many games do we want Dennison to lose next year before realizing we should have cut bait at the end of 2017?

Dennison needs to go; he got much less out of an offense that was ranked 10th just last season.  

How many goddamn times are going to keep fighting people after one or two seasons seriously did you think everything was just going to run smoothly in the first year that's f****** idiotic every one of these guys I was hired the coordinators the assistance the f****** maintenance guy at one Bills Drive need 5 years in my book I want to see this thing ran through with some actual continuity

 

Every f****** year we fire someone changed the system on defense changed offense of line coach fire the coordinator after two games it doesn't work that way

 

Let them establish a system a culture and something that the players can actually grow into and then judge it you don't f****** fire people after 1 year that's what f****** Cleveland does

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

38 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Anthony Lynn failed to get anything out of Tyrod?

 

 Top 7 scoring offense........lead NFL in big plays(did with Roman in 2015 too).........near record for fewest turnovers in a season.......all in a year where they were so desperate for healthy WR that they had to pull Percy out of retirement and start him that same week.

 

Lynn never gets the HC job with Chargers WITHOUT what Tyrod did offensively.     Don't believe?   How did his offense look sans Tyrod after Whaley made him bench him?

 

Yes, top 7 scoring offense, but what was our passing offense rated under Roman/Lynn again?  

[westerndecline]

7 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Can someone please tell me what this magical system is that can somehow turn below average passing QB's into suddenly good players?   We are on our 3rd offensive coordinator with the same QB... At some point the common denominator must be found.

Apparently the answer is to fire people after 1 year so tired of this f****** idiotic talk I want McDermott and his staff to get five years every one of the coordinators 5 years and establish an actual f****** continuity in a f****** system

 

Hire a new offense of coordinator he's going to want a new offense of line coach you're going to have to change the system again and they're going to want their players and rinse repeat recycle you people make me sick

[LABILLBACKER]

 my biggest fear is I don't want to see Dennison have anything to do with the development of a new young quarterback. He butchered using Tyrod's limited skillset properly. He proved to be hyper-conservative. If McD wants to continue the process, Ricky can't be part of it.

[westerndecline]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

 my biggest fear is I don't want to see Dennison have anything to do with the development of a new young quarterback. He butchered using Tyrod's limited skillset properly. He proved to be hyper-conservative. If McD wants to continue the process, Ricky can't be part of it.

It's your one dude Year One

[kota]

1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Yes, top 7 scoring offense, but what was our passing offense rated under Roman/Lynn again?  

Rank 30.  

2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

2017. HOW does one have "success" when your quarterback doesn't pass for 300 yards in ANY games?

 

2016. HOW does one have "success" when your quarterback doesn't pass for 300 yards in but ONE game?

 

2015. HOW does one have "success" when your quarterback doesn't pass for 300 yards in ANY games?

 

Some big arm he has... LMAO This Tyrodsplaining is just ridiculous! You CANNOT BE A CHAMPION if your QB can't throw for 300 yards in a game!!!!!! He simply sucks.

For the life of me I do not understand why people are so enamored by TT.   He fails at the one category that matters for a QB, passing.  His stats are always at the bottom of the league and he only ranks higher than people like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, etc.... 

People always say lets build around him, etc....  It just doesn't work.  He could have Julio Jones, AJ Green, and Sammy Watkins out there and it would not matter.  

Rex Ryan the big defense mind was like it's so hard to defend.  Really?  Teams defend it by stacking the box, playing one on one on the outside and blitzing.

I think McD understands.  Unfortunately the QB market was bad this off season.  Tyrod was the best available.  Why do you think they drafted Nate?  Why do you think they have so many picks this year?  If we had a QB we would have had more wins this season and might not be wondering if the Ravers, Titans, and Chargers will lose or not to get us into the dance.

[K D]

2nd and 25 against the defending world champs and he has them hand the ball to Tolbert for a hard fought 0 yard gain. Rico should have been immediately escorted from the field and his office cleaned out.

 

He will unfortunately survive because his out is he will blame it all on bad QB play. And unfortunately for us we all know this isn't the only reason why. His play calling is atrocious. We are in for another bad offensive season next year.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, jmc12290 said:

Hackett did pretty good this year. Remember him? You and many others wanted him gone too.

 

Because it is always easier to look at a play that doesn't work and say "omg bad call" than look at the actual execution of the play. At times this year the Bills' offensive execution has been pitiful. Now that is on coaching still but it is as much on an uninspiring group of position coaches as it is on the OC. 

 

I'd be fine with them firing Dennison for an upgrade but some of the rumoures contenders are atrocious. Sullivan and McCoy??? Yuk. You will be wishing Rico was still here by week 3. 

[JM57]

4 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Yes, top 7 scoring offense, but what was our passing offense rated under Roman/Lynn again?  

I won't bother with checking the LAC stats under Lynn this year, because I think that last year is not necessarily representative of what he would have been as an OC if he were an off-season hire. Taking over midseason, he had to keep Roman's scheme and just make changes as he went to better suit his style, but at the end of the day it was still Roman's offense. 

 

Now, onto Roman. Let me ask you this. Baltimore brought him in this year to help Mornhinweg tweak their offense to fix their run game which has been awful for years it feels like. Where does Baltimore's passing offense rank this year? 29th. 

 

Where did his passing offenses rank in Buffalo and San Francisco? 29th, 23rd, 30th, 30th, 28th and 30th. Looks like I found a common denominator.

[westerndecline]

2 hours ago, kdiggz said:

2nd and 25 against the defending world champs and he has them hand the ball to Tolbert for a hard fought 0 yard gain. Rico should have been immediately escorted from the field and his office cleaned out.

 

He will unfortunately survive because his out is he will blame it all on bad QB play. And unfortunately for us we all know this isn't the only reason why. His play calling is atrocious. We are in for another bad offensive season next year.

Because this because Tyrod Taylor is a one Reed quarterback you f****** idiot do not get it you can't throw the ball dude how many times does it have to be repeated to you

 

Now if you want to fire Denison who has one year under his f****** belt and a quarterback that's too stupid to go through progressions that's on you

[Mat68]

I dont see it happening.  One year in he is going to cut bait on his OC?  If it is like every year in the past and guys are running open and Taylor cant fimd them is the OC fault?

[BuffaloBill]

9 hours ago, Jigsaw2112 said:

My biggest knock on Dennison is that he didn't play to Taylor or the offensive line's strengths. 

Not sure why they tried to reinvent the wheel on the o-line, only to have to change it back mid season.

Also took away the long passes and improvised running from Taylor, the 2 things he's actually decent at.

A traditional pocket passer he is not, nor will ever be. Losing Watkins didn't help, but throwing 8 yards backwards to Tolbert doesn't either.

 

 

Dennison has always used zone blocking schemes.  Not that I am defending him in doing so.  The point is that he should never have been hired given this was not the strength of the O-line.  It may also be why he was not the first choice for the job.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, JM57 said:

 

Now, onto Roman. Let me ask you this. Baltimore brought him in this year to help Mornhinweg tweak their offense to fix their run game which has been awful for years it feels like. Where does Baltimore's passing offense rank this year? 29th. 

 

Where did his passing offenses rank in Buffalo and San Francisco? 29th, 23rd, 30th, 30th, 28th and 30th. Looks like I found a common denominator.

 

Greg Roman is a "hide the Quarterback" coordinator.  It is what he is great at.  He is the best and most creative run game coordinator in the NFL and he finds ways to manufacture offense and points with his Quarterback only throwing 25 times a game.  So the teams that hire him tend to be teams that want to focus on establishing the run and get away from a Quarterback that needs to throw to win.  The year before he arrived at the Bills the run game sucked, Kyle Orton was passing over 30 times a game and then promptly retired.  Bring in Roman, lead the league in rushing two years in a row. This year he arrives in Baltimore who have had 1 season of good run game in about 8 seasons (the year Kubiak was OC) suddenly the run game goes from cellar dweller to middle of the pack (28th to 15th) and critically with one game remaining Flacco has 170 fewer passing attempts than in 2016.  

 

Roman was the perfect coordinator for Tyrod. I said this when he was fired as well.  I preferred Lynn's play calling but Roman is a scheme designer that suits to the letter the things Taylor is good at.  

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

12 hours ago, Steptide said:

Care to elaborate? 

My source told me. Period. End of of discussion for me