Is the NFL fixed or is it influenced in any way shape or form besides strictly who the better team is

[Nick the Greek]

8 hours ago, mjt328 said:

I don't believe the NFL is completely "fixed" - at least not to the extend that the WWE and professional wrestling is totally scripted for a particular outcome. 

 

But that doesn't mean I believe the league is completely fair and free of outside influence.  If there is a dollar to be made by swaying a play or even a game, it's highly likely that someone is trying (if not succeeding) at doing just that.

 

The MLB turned its back on steroid abuse for over a decade, because players chasing home run records was big business.  In the NBA, a referee was caught by the FBI betting on playoff games.  Since being convicted, he has alleged that ALL of his colleagues do the same.  This summer, he claimed the league was trying to let the Cavaliers win to extend the Finals.  When the Patriots were caught cheating the first time (Spygate), the NFL responded by immediately destroying the evidence, giving the team a slap on the wrist and doing everything in their power to downplay the incident.

 

Even if there isn't an NFL mandate that states - "Must help New England win the Super Bowl" - you better believe the refs are pushed to protect the league's marquee QBs like Tom Brady.  Maybe there isn't a giant conspiracy to assist the Steelers or Packers - but you would be foolish to think these officials are not gambling or playing fantasy football.  And with the money involved, organized crime is certainly entrenched behind the scenes.

 

I like how you bring up WWE. I’m looking forward to the XFL coming back. I didn’t like it the last time around because I thought that was fixed.

 

However, based on the way the NFL has been, you gotta think there are some weird things going on behind the scenes. 

 

This is is the perfect opportunity for the XFL to come back. I’d give it a shot. It can’t be anymore corrupt than the current NFL joke. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

There was also at 8 that came out that the Jets complained about wear during punt returns the Patriots players on the sideline with stand on the very edge of the sideline so that the Gunner would have no chance at getting to the punt returner

Of course it's already been proven they already have been caught cheating point-blank twice three times if you catch Lee Gunner issue that they were warned about

If they were willing to blatantly cheat like that what makes you think they don't have some type of hook up with the officiating especially at home

 

You know and I know that call reversal from New York was incredibly bizarre and a huge red flag that something else is going on literally the whole entire media is talking about it

 

They have cheated in your in your face multiple times in the past what makes you think they'll stop now

 

 

And I got more news for you I guarantee you in 5 to 10 years it's going to come out that Tom Brady was on HGH mark my words

 

 

Well he'll still be playing then at age 45-50...so I would believe that.

 

You are confusing the patriots episodes of cheating (spygate, deflategate--which, it turns out were not allowed behaviors) with what you are describing as a league-wide conspiracy involving some elements of ownership and referees allowing  and unfair advantage to one team (for reasons you can't articulate).

 

Just tell us how it's being done.  How the other owners are not aware (but you are) and why they picked Kraft.  Focus!

[westerndecline]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Well he'll still be playing then at age 45-50...so I would believe that.

 

You are confusing the patriots episodes of cheating (spygate, deflategate--which, it turns out were not allowed behaviors) with what you are describing as a league-wide conspiracy involving some elements of ownership and referees allowing  and unfair advantage to one team (for reasons you can't articulate).

 

Just tell us how it's being done.  How the other owners are not aware (but you are) and why they picked Kraft.  Focus!

Deflategate wasn't exposed until the Colts exposed it Spygate wasn't exposed until the Jets exposed it the Gunner issue was exposed by the Jets

 

I already answered your question clearly and concisely you keep ignoring it the owners are well aware of the cheating

 

And Goodell destroy the evidence and Tom Brady destroy the evidence with a cell phone

 

What is the more rational and profitable response among the owners punished and Destroy evidence or actually come out to the media and say yep we have a rogue owner and Rogue organization that constantly cheats and we also have constant cheating among other organizations with X Y and Z issues that would ruin the NFL

[BBills88]

The funniest thing is all of the overturned calls worked out for the Patriots in 3 games (Bills, Steelers & Jets) which took away touchdowns. Something or someone is fishy and it's not the Dolphins.

Edited December 27, 2017 by BBills88
Misspelled a word

[westerndecline]

Anyone that's played football or throwing a baseball or lifted weights knows the tremendous stress it puts on your shoulder to assume Tom Brady is not on HGH HGH is to literally put your head in the sand and I guarantee you when it comes out 5 to 10 years from now they will punish the Patriots but they will not come out and admit that there's actually cheating going on they won't make it some media issue it admit to the fans that a lot of the stuff is influenced in a major way outside of who is truly the best

[Foreigner]

First of all, there is legal gambling in Vegas, and we are dealing with human nature and money, so

while  all or some of NFL, NBA, NHL & MLB games may not be pre arranged as to the winner before-

hand (or may be)I believe there is enough gambling with people having a edge, as it is more than

possible certain people can have inside information before games.

It is like people who have inside info on certain companies in the stock market.

Years ago there was a big time fixing scandal in college basketball among NY teams.

I don't think there has been any scandal since then in any sport, but is that because they have not

been caught? 

[westerndecline]

3 hours ago, KingRex said:

A few years ago I had the same concern and asked your question to a friend who also was addicted to football.  She set my mind at ease by asking one question.

 

If it's fixed why isn't it more interesting?

 

I had to agree.  If you were some all powerful entity able to determine the results of years of outcomes wouldn't you produc a more interesting or simply more profitable result than the silliness the No Fun League has produced over the past?

Its not fixed....

 

Its influenced

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

Deflategate wasn't exposed until the Colts exposed it Spygate wasn't exposed until the Jets exposed it the Gunner issue was exposed by the Jets

 

I already answered your question clearly and concisely you keep ignoring it the owners are well aware of the cheating

 

And Goodell destroy the evidence and Tom Brady destroy the evidence with a cell phone

 

What is the more rational and profitable response among the owners punished and Destroy evidence or actually come out to the media and say yep we have a rogue owner and Rogue organization that constantly cheats and we also have constant cheating among other organizations with X Y and Z issues that would ruin the NFL

 

 

Yes, the cheating had widespread coverage for whole seasons and drew a couple of owners into public comments............but let's get back to the part where some owners and/or "people who are under the owners" are influencing the refs and others to favor NE over all other teams. 

 

If the Colts blew the whistle on deflategate and the Jets blew the whistle on spygate, why has not one team blown the whistle on "Ifluencegate"?

 

Go on....

[westerndecline]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Yes, the cheating had widespread coverage for whole seasons and drew a couple of owners into public comments............but let's get back to the part where some owners and/or "people who are under the owners" are influencing the refs and others to favor NE over all other teams. 

 

If the Colts blew the whistle on deflategate and the Jets blew the whistle on spygate, why has not one team blown the whistle on "Ifluencegate"?

 

Go on....

They havent been caught cheating again ...

 

You do realize that they've already been caught three times right it's not a conspiracy it's not speculation that actually happened and Goodell conspire to destroy the evidence so did Brady what you're talking about has already happened and now with everything we know that has happened in the past we have some random guy from New York overturning calls in favor of the Patriots that's not a red flag to you

[All_Pro_Bills]

I don't think its fixed but I do believe the officials are influenced in the way they call the game by certain teams and certain players.  Star power.  From what I see all sport leagues 'protect' their star players and headline franchises.  Jordan never got called for traveling, Crosby gets away with anything, in baseball the size and location of the strike zone shifts depending on who is pitching, and in the NFL hit Brady a millisecond after the balls gone and its an automatic 15 along or you see Tom glaring at the ref from the ground or in his face if no call is made.  PI, holding, possession calls,  judged by shifting and different standards.  Be honest, with the Benjamin play do you think if it was the Patriots that scored the very same way the replay process would have reversed that call?  Absolutely no way!

 

I can understand the argument that all's fair and equal and all this fixed and influenced discussion is just sour grapes and maybe a case of a sore loser.  Maybe that's all there is to it.  But the fair argument to me is like a parent who insists they treat all their kids fair and equal but the kids know better.  Mom and dad refuse to believe it and say you are wrong that your sister gets away with everything and you don't.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2017 by All_Pro_Bills
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[westerndecline]

Also if the game is being influenced and a certain way it may not be the football players or owners are even aware of it so there's nothing for them to reveal not all nefarious activity comes to light in fact most of it doesn't I'm not really understanding what your point is

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, JinxedBill1 said:

I think the grey areas of the game can be messed with to influence winners and that's all about the rule book.

 

I look no further than the tuck rule.  Recent example?  Jesse James for the Steelers and Benjamin for the Bills.  The grey area in these calls that has to do with interpretation of the rule allows the league office to influence outcomes of games.

 

Fixed?  I don't think it's fixed where each team knows who will win.

It all started at the Tuck rule. Money will always trump  ethical decisions. The NFL could care less about parity or fairness. A multi Billion dollar industry will do everything in its power to choreograph the most entertaining playoffs / Super Bowl possible. This was never about foil hat's or some grassy nole conspiracy. It's all about greed and money. "Are you not entertained"....

[westerndecline]

It seems to me you want to ignore what the Patriots did three times beforehand in the past and then simply say no there's nothing strange about what's going on in New York overturning calls that shouldn't be turned over in one teams favored nothing to see here

[KingRex]

27 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

It seems to me you want to ignore what the Patriots did three times beforehand in the past and then simply say no there's nothing strange about what's going on in New York overturning calls that shouldn't be turned over in one teams favored nothing to see here

It seems to me you want to ignore who is fixing the games and why.

 

If the whole NFL thang was fixed, the results would be far more interesting than the random stupidity which seems to too often occur in the game.

 

If the theory is that the game is fixed to allow the Pats to win.  Why?

 

If everyone won once in a rotation, the fixed theory makes some sense.

[westerndecline]

3 minutes ago, KingRex said:

It seems to me you want to ignore who is fixing the games and why.

 

If the whole NFL thang was fixed, the results would be far more interesting than the random stupidity which seems to too often occur in the game.

 

If the theory is that the game is fixed to allow the Pats to win.  Why?

 

If everyone won once in a rotation, the fixed theory makes some sense.

I never said the game was fixed like wrestling dude you're saying that I'm saying there's favoritism and that's pretty obvious and there's cheating which is also obvious

[Luka]

11 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

I never said the game was fixed like wrestling dude you're saying that I'm saying there's favoritism and that's pretty obvious and there's cheating which is also obvious

 

Obviously.

[KingRex]

2 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

I never said the game was fixed like wrestling dude you're saying that I'm saying there's favoritism and that's pretty obvious and there's cheating which is also obvious

Its like life. Life simply isn't fair.

 

There certainly is favoritism, but it simply is not so extreme that one can reasonably call it FIXING the game to create a specific outcome for a specific purpose.  Definitely the NFL gets its refs to call games in ways that protect Brady from getting hurt (this "fix" is in to make the NFL $), and yes, NFL refs seem to routinely make calls to benefit the home team.  These combined to disadvantage the Bills Sunday.  However, this "fix" could be overcome by Clay hanging onto the darn TD or some better playcalling by Denison.

 

If one wants to sell some fix theory (particularly some Trumplike global conspiracy) then a little more evidence (or even simple logic) is required.

 

The sad fact is that no in the NFL really cares enough about our Bills to conspire against us and though Brady and the Pats do get the benefit of a call from time to time, a good team overcomes this cheating marginal assistance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[westerndecline]

What would happen if the Buffalo  purposely tried  to injure Brady in the playoffs???

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It all started at the Tuck rule. Money will always trump  ethical decisions. The NFL could care less about parity or fairness. A multi Billion dollar industry will do everything in its power to choreograph the most entertaining playoffs / Super Bowl possible. This was never about foil hat's or some grassy nole conspiracy. It's all about greed and money. "Are you not entertained"....

 

[Albwan]

13 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

 

This sums it up nicely.

 

When it comes to the Pats, the NFL and the media has done everything to suggest "nothing to see here" or this is a "non-story", but we are talking about one group of cronies getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar more than 3 times.

 

It doesn't take a football junkie to watch these plays and see the double standard and obvious bias by refs. Nobody really believes that there is fairness in officiating, though that's what they claim "well, calls go both ways"... but they don't. All the calls with real impact go to the pats, then after the game is essentially won they throw a few nothing calls against them so the box score deceives you into thinking it's fair. Clever. Corrupt.

Its not corruption at all. The nfl is entertainment.

 

[Heavy Kevi]

8 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Its not corruption at all. The nfl is entertainment.

 

 

Tons of money in the balance. Hundreds of jobs at stake. An organization that is not solely owned, it is 32 businesses governed by a board of directors (owners), where the league is undrrmining several members of it's constituency. 

 

That's corruption.

 

If it was a sinhle company, like WWE, sacrificing some of it's assets to satisfy the viewership for rating, then sure your point would be legit. This is the league office and 1 or more of it's constituents in cahoots to undermine (and take millions of dollars from) another member.