Comprehensive "Tyrod Taylor is Bad" Thread (VERY Comprehensive)

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Tyrod is and has been holding this team back since he became the starter. He is an option QB at best and has been the best option we have had but it's time for the Bills to run an offense he is not capable of. Throwing the ball down the field hitting guys in timing patterns on the run in front of them so they don't have to break stride and have a chance at YAC. I am so sick of seeing open receivers and the ball hitting them in the feet or a yard behind them. His accuracy seems to actually have gotten worse. So many missed opportunities this year and years passed. All of those stats show all of his many flaws as a passer there is no question of his athleticism and ability to make that wow play, but we need to QB to make more consistent plays that a decent qb makes.

[BillsMedia]

At least Tyrod isn't as bad as this analysis, just awful takes. 

[Teddy KGB]

23 minutes ago, BillsMedia said:

At least Tyrod isn't as bad as this analysis, just awful takes. 

 

Just as awful as your pro Taylor propaganda ? ???. 

 

Go ahead and refute the OP.   

 

Everyones saying farewell in their own way. 

Edited December 26, 2017 by Teddy KGB

[The Now Moment]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Woo man. Just an absolute awful take.

Haha it was spot on dude.  We barely have any YAC because Tyrod doesn't hit a player in stride.  Go back and watch his passes this year.  They were an effort to catch and caused the receivers to break stride.  There are countless examples.  Not sure how someone doesn't see this during games.  I rewatch the games every week and find myself in awe at how inaccurate he is.  

[Big Gun]

59 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Woo man. Just an absolute awful take.

What's so awful about it?

[BillsFan2313]

21 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Evan Silva is a dummy. I am shocked how often that fool is wrong, and still has a job covering football. 

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Woo man. Just an absolute awful take.

Bet you didn't know that Tyrod has thrown for exactly 5, count them 5 TDs in the second half of the 14 games he has played in this year. 

He has thrown 3 TDs in the 3rd quarter and 2 TDs in the 4th quarter.

Both of the 4th quarter TDs were garbage time TDs against the Jets and Chargers.

 

Take away both of those garbage time TD passes and Tyrod has throw exactly ZERO TDs in the 4th quarter of games in 2017. 

And people still think he can be good and defend him, those people need to get their heads checked. 

At this point defending him has become comical and makes for a good laugh. 

 

Split	Value	Cmp	Att	Inc	Cmp%	Yds	TD	1D	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	1D
Quarter	1st Qtr	56	92	36	60.87	522	1	28	2	71.0	11		5.7	4.91	10	101	10.1	0	6
	2nd Qtr	81	130	49	62.31	840	7	42	0	98.9	10		6.5	7.54	19	115	6.1	1	7
	3rd Qtr	49	83	34	59.04	668	3	26	1	91.8	13		8.0	8.23	16	125	7.8	0	7
	4th Qtr	58	88	30	65.91	565	2	29	1	86.6	8		6.4	6.36	32	52	1.6	3	6
	1st Half	137	222	85	61.71	1362	8	70	2	87.3	21		6.1	6.45	29	216	7.4	1	13
	2nd Half	107	171	64	62.57	1233	5	55	2	89.1	21		7.2	7.27	48	177	3.7	3	13

Edited December 26, 2017 by PeterGriffin

[BigDingus]

2 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Bet you didn't know that Tyrod has thrown for exactly 5, count them 5 TDs in the second half of the 14 games he has played in this year. 

He has thrown 3 TDs in the 3rd quarter and 2 TDs in the 4th quarter.

Both of the 4th quarter TDs were garbage time TDs against the Jets and Chargers.

 

Take away both of those garbage time TD passes and Tyrod has throw exactly ZERO TDs in the 4th quarter of games in 2017. 

And people still think he can be good and defend him, those people need to get their heads checked. 

At this point defending him has become comical and makes for a good laugh. 

 

Quarter	1st Qtr	56	92	36	60.87	522	1	28	2	71.0	11		5.7	4.91	10	101	10.1	0	6
	2nd Qtr	81	130	49	62.31	840	7	42	0	98.9	10		6.5	7.54	19	115	6.1	1	7
	3rd Qtr	49	83	34	59.04	668	3	26	1	91.8	13		8.0	8.23	16	125	7.8	0	7
	4th Qtr	58	88	30	65.91	565	2	29	1	86.6	8		6.4	6.36	32	52	1.6	3	6
	1st Half	137	222	85	61.71	1362	8	70	2	87.3	21		6.1	6.45	29	216	7.4	1	13
	2nd Half	107	171	64	62.57	1233	5	55	2	89.1	21		7.2	7.27	48	177	3.7	3	13

I tried to show just how bad Tyrod is when games matter. If we're not nursing a lead the entire game, he has ZERO ability to put the game on his shoulders and win it. People point to the Tennessee game in 2015 as if that's still relevant in any way. It's not. 

We have to have a lead throughout the 4th quarter or we're not going to win. Even in games where we have had a lead have been choked away once we fall behind even a little bit. 

[Domdab99]

4 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

I tried to show just how bad Tyrod is when games matter. If we're not nursing a lead the entire game, he has ZERO ability to put the game on his shoulders and win it. People point to the Tennessee game in 2015 as if that's still relevant in any way. It's not. 

We have to have a lead throughout the 4th quarter or we're not going to win. Even in games where we have had a lead have been choked away once we fall behind even a little bit. 

 

This is why I'm over Tyrod now. 

[ColoradoBills]

35 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Bet you didn't know that Tyrod has thrown for exactly 5, count them 5 TDs in the second half of the 14 games he has played in this year. 

He has thrown 3 TDs in the 3rd quarter and 2 TDs in the 4th quarter.

Both of the 4th quarter TDs were garbage time TDs against the Jets and Chargers.

 

Take away both of those garbage time TD passes and Tyrod has throw exactly ZERO TDs in the 4th quarter of games in 2017. 

And people still think he can be good and defend him, those people need to get their heads checked. 

At this point defending him has become comical and makes for a good laugh. 

 

Split	Value	Cmp	Att	Inc	Cmp%	Yds	TD	1D	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	1D
Quarter	1st Qtr	56	92	36	60.87	522	1	28	2	71.0	11		5.7	4.91	10	101	10.1	0	6
	2nd Qtr	81	130	49	62.31	840	7	42	0	98.9	10		6.5	7.54	19	115	6.1	1	7
	3rd Qtr	49	83	34	59.04	668	3	26	1	91.8	13		8.0	8.23	16	125	7.8	0	7
	4th Qtr	58	88	30	65.91	565	2	29	1	86.6	8		6.4	6.36	32	52	1.6	3	6
	1st Half	137	222	85	61.71	1362	8	70	2	87.3	21		6.1	6.45	29	216	7.4	1	13
	2nd Half	107	171	64	62.57	1233	5	55	2	89.1	21		7.2	7.27	48	177	3.7	3	13

 

Wow, that truly is frightening.  I knew it was bad but jeez.

[stinky finger]

On 12/25/2017 at 1:11 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Taylor sucks, he would need the 2000 Ravens defense to even sniff a chance at the playoffs. 

Look - I agree, TT isn't the answer but we're "sniffing" the playoffs now with this, how shall I say, less than good Defense.

[Lfod]

16 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

Look - I agree, TT isn't the answer but we're "sniffing" the playoffs now with this, how shall I say, less than good Defense.

The defense scored in a pick 6 in the Pats game. They are one of the big reasons we are even sniffing. The defense played great and had some bad games. The offense hasn't existed much all year.

 

I'd take the same defense next year over the same offence. The Panthers game shows that we had a defense at times this year but the offense didn't show up. All you needed was 1 touchdown to win that game.

Edited December 26, 2017 by Lfod

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Domdab99 said:

 

This is why I'm over Tyrod now. 

 

 

Isn't Aaron Rodgers record up to 1-40 when entering the 4th quarter trailing by more than 1 point now...........you'd really hate having THAT guy if that's your chief criteria.

 

There are stats that really indicate team success..........comebacks are not high on the list.........not turning the ball over, scoring first........things like that mean a lot more.

 

I think desiring late game heroics is part of the "damsel in distress" nature that Bills fans have adopted..........I want a QB/team that goes into the 4th quarter with a lead and holds onto it.

 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Isn't Aaron Rodgers record up to 1-40 when entering the 4th quarter trailing by more than 1 point now...........you'd really hate having THAT guy if that's your chief criteria.

 

There are stats that really indicate team success..........comebacks are not high on the list.........not turning the ball over, scoring first........things like that mean a lot more.

 

I think desiring late game heroics is part of the "damsel in distress" nature that Bills fans have adopted..........I want a QB/team that goes into the 4th quarter with a lead and holds onto it.

 

Nope.  

 

What's with you and peddling these wrong stats?

 

What stat shows TT being "elite" in 2015?

[twoandfourteen]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Isn't Aaron Rodgers record up to 1-40 when entering the 4th quarter trailing by more than 1 point now...........you'd really hate having THAT guy if that's your chief criteria.

 

There are stats that really indicate team success..........comebacks are not high on the list.........not turning the ball over, scoring first........things like that mean a lot more.

 

I think desiring late game heroics is part of the "damsel in distress" nature that Bills fans have adopted..........I want a QB/team that goes into the 4th quarter with a lead and holds onto it.

 

 

You are a big "need to run and stop the run" kind of guy, I'd imagine. 

 

Field position! Three yards and a cloud of dust! 

 

Not turning the ball over is great -- except when you punt the ball away 25 times more throughout the year than a team like the Patriots.

 

Let's say it again for the kids in the back: The Bills have given the ball away to their opponent 25 times more than the Patriots. 

 

A punt is just a less dramatic turnover. The end result is the same, the other team has the ball and you don't.

 

 

[BigBuff423]

If this Bills regime in McD and Beane don't see the absolute urgency to get a true QB in the Off-season, then I will have lost all hope for the next several years. I am NOT a Cousins fan, but at least if they did that it tells me they are going all-in on a QB who can play the position. I know, the merits of his "success" is debatable, hence I'd rather Draft a guy, but Cousins on this team and the Bills would already have their playoff spot. Take it for whatever it's worth. Again, I prefer one of the guys coming out of college to identify and develop the Franchise for the next 12 to 15 years. But worse than getting Cousins or Smith would be sitting on their hands doing nothing. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

You are a big "need to run and stop the run" kind of guy, I'd imagine. 

 

Field position! Three yards and a cloud of dust! 

 

Not turning the ball over is great -- except when you punt the ball away 25 times more throughout the year than a team like the Patriots.

 

Let's say it again for the kids in the back: The Bills have given the ball away to their opponent 25 times more than the Patriots. 

 

A punt is just a less dramatic turnover. The end result is the same, the other team has the ball and you don't.

 

 

 

The Patriots are a hell of a standard to be held too when people like you thought the team was going to win 4 games.

 

I believe in doing what it takes to win games with the personnel you have.

 

I hate Jauron Ball........but once they traded Watkins that was their only option.    I realized that.......knew it was coming........caught some of you by surprise but that's a given.

 

Btw I believe Weo posted the numbers yesterday........the Bills aren't particularly high in the league in 3 and outs and they are pretty good vs. the field at converting 3rd downs..........those usually precede punts, correct?

 

I know the goal posts have to stay mobile though so keep shifting them so you can have a definitive reason to focus the Bills mediocrity on 1 or 2 players when the roster is more holes than patch.

21 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Nope.  

 

What's with you and peddling these wrong stats?

 

What stat shows TT being "elite" in 2015?

 

 

It's close to that.......it was up to 1-35 or something early in the year.........Rodgers added another loss to that tally last week.

 

It was much referenced and then TT suddenly lead 4th quarter comeback and the goal posts quickly shifted to some other area.

 

Not sure what you mean about TT being elite in 2015...........what I was referencing is Taylor's numbers with both Watkins and Woods healthy in 2015 AND 2016.

 

They've been quoted enough times by Bandit that you'd have to be willfully ignoring them to not have known this.   

 

Either way..........it doesn't matter to you guys........TT could have a max passer rating and 30 TD's and zero pics passing to them but those times he didn't excel with Brandon Tate as his #1 or #2 option........those really tell the story for ya'!

[John from Riverside]

First of all to the OP...thank you for taking the time to actually write that out.....

 

It is interesting how the first thing below it someone feels the need to call out other fans.......who have been providing THEIR supporting evidence on why they support TT while they just sit and cry like a 9 year old girl half the time.

 

Tyrod is not a "bad" NFL qb......he simply is not good enough.   The bills should move to improve but he has in fact been the best qb we have had under center since the Drew Bledsoe days.  Is that good enough?  No it isnt.

[twoandfourteen]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Patriots are a hell of a standard to be held too when people like you thought the team was going to win 4 games.

 

I believe in doing what it takes to win games with the personnel you have.

 

I hate Jauron Ball........but once they traded Watkins that was their only option.    I realized that.......knew it was coming........caught some of you by surprise but that's a given.

 

Btw I believe Weo posted the numbers yesterday........the Bills aren't particularly high in the league in 3 and outs and they are pretty good vs. the field at converting 3rd downs..........those usually precede punts, correct?

 

I know the goal posts have to stay mobile though so keep shifting them so you can have a definitive reason to focus the Bills mediocrity on 1 or 2 players when the roster is more holes than patch.

 

That's fair, I agree that the Patriots can be a bit of a tough bar to clear. 

 

How about the Chiefs, then? Well.... they've punted the ball away 15 times less than the Bills have. 

 

Steelers? Same thing, 15 less than the Bills. 

 

Rams? 58 punts to the Bills 75. 

 

Maybe the Falcons? They actually lead the league in fewest punts at only 48. 

 

The point is that there is WAY too much focus on how rarely Tyrod has thrown INTs as a starter. How about looking at how rarely the offense scores a TD with him as the QB? That to me is a much more important statistic.

 

 

 

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It's close to that.......it was up to 1-35 or something early in the year.........Rodgers added another loss to that tally last week.

 

It was much referenced and then TT suddenly lead 4th quarter comeback and the goal posts quickly shifted to some other area.

 

Not sure what you mean about TT being elite in 2015...........what I was referencing is Taylor's numbers with both Watkins and Woods healthy in 2015 AND 2016.

 

They've been quoted enough times by Bandit that you'd have to be willfully ignoring them to not have known this.   

 

Either way..........it doesn't matter to you guys........TT could have a max passer rating and 30 TD's and zero pics passing to them but those times he didn't excel with Brandon Tate as his #1 or #2 option........those really tell the story for ya'!

That's with the corollary of "against teams with a winning record."

 

You silly muppet.  Read more and speak less.  Spouting off about things you're clearly uneducated about makes you look even sillier than normal.

Edited December 26, 2017 by jmc12290