Comprehensive "Tyrod Taylor is Bad" Thread (VERY Comprehensive)

[Big Gun]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

what was the good outing?

colts

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, PeterGriffin said:

colts

5/10 for 57 yards and a concussion is a good outing?

 

I guess compared to 5 INTs in a half it is.

Edited December 29, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13
After consideration

[Big Gun]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

5/10 for 57 yards and a concussion is a good outing?

 

I guess compared to 5 INTs in a half it is.

yup he had a good game, every pass was spot on. 

 

 

 

 

[billsredneck1]

6 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

yup he had a good game, every pass was spot on. 

 

 

 

 

probably should have been 8/10. i remember one ball bouncing off clay's chest.....

18 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

5/10 for 57 yards and a concussion is a good outing?

 

I guess compared to 5 INTs in a half it is.

when was the last time(or for that matter the only time), this offense ran a 2 minute 79yd drive with a td?.......

[BuffaloHokie13]

7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

when was the last time(or for that matter the only time), this offense ran a 2 minute 79yd drive with a td?.......

Sunday December 17, 2017 against the Miami Dolphins. To end the the first half, the Buffalo offense had an 8 play, 80 yard drive ending in a TD. We got the ball with 2:23 left on the clock and the drive took 1 minute and 50 seconds.

Edited December 29, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13

[Bills Pimpin']

52 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

5/10 for 57 yards and a concussion is a good outing?

 

I guess compared to 5 INTs in a half it is.

With Tyrod at QB, the Bills don't score a point in the Colts game. Nate and Joe saved our season in that game.

[Dadonkadonk]

55 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

probably should have been 8/10. i remember one ball bouncing off clay's chest.....

when was the last time(or for that matter the only time), this offense ran a 2 minute 79yd drive with a td?.......

Happened the last two weeks. One was taken away.

[paulbills]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

5/10 for 57 yards and a concussion is a good outing?

5/10 for 57 yards and a TD with every incompletion being the fault of the receiver because there was heavy snow all game. Considering the context, yeah I'd say that's a pretty good outing before exiting with an unfortunate concussion. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

31 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Happened the last two weeks. One was taken away.

I'm thinking he didn't want us to actually answer that...

[paulbills]

It's pretty hilarious that a rookie QB gets more throwing yards in a 2 minute drive than a starting 7 year veteran QB does in 3 quarters of play, wonder if that's a good outing? Hell, not even once, almost twice! 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, paulbills said:

It's pretty hilarious that a rookie QB gets more throwing yards in a 2 minute drive than a starting 7 year veteran QB does in 3 quarters of play, wonder if that's a good outing? Hell, not even once, almost twice! 

It's pretty hilarious that people want to say he's had a good outing when he hasn't. Ever. Doesn't mean he can't, but he certainly hasn't at this point. Nice of you to bring up Tyrod, who has nothing to do with Peterman's performances though. Can we wait for Peterman to have a triple digit passing yard performance, or a game with more than 1 TD even before comparing him to anyone?

[paulbills]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Can we wait for Peterman to have a triple digit passing yard performance, or a game with more than 1 TD even before comparing him to anyone?

Can we wait for Peterman to have a full start before we start crapping on him? Goes both ways.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, paulbills said:

Can we wait for Peterman to have a full start before we start crapping on him? Goes both ways.

If he didn't set a record for INTs in a half he would have a full game under his belt and probably would still be playing...

[Big Gun]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It's pretty hilarious that people want to say he's had a good outing when he hasn't. Ever. Doesn't mean he can't, but he certainly hasn't at this point. Nice of you to bring up Tyrod, who has nothing to do with Peterman's performances though. Can we wait for Peterman to have a triple digit passing yard performance, or a game with more than 1 TD even before comparing him to anyone?

ok, critique his colts outing.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, PeterGriffin said:

ok, critique his colts outing.

My main critique is that he dove like an idiot and got himself concussed. He threw 10 passes, mostly because of the weather (I think Tyrod threw like 25 in the entire Pittsburgh game), and our only successful drive that people seem to be toting was set up by back to back 20+ yard runs by McCoy (just like our OT score). Unlike some of your fond memories, his 5 incompletions were not all on the WRs, but 2 were. At the end of the day you simply cannot say he had a good outing and point to a 50% completion 57 yard passing day. You do realize that just because something isn't good it doesn't mean it's awful though, right? I have a hard time believing that anyone with football knowledge watched the Colts game and came away saying "Oh man, Peterman had a good game today!".

[BananaB]

I think the fact we have 3 different coordinators and numerous WRs who have moved on and have had success elsewhere says it all about Taylor’s passing.... Fact is, on this board all them were used as an excuse for Taylor at some point. Taylor has been the only constant in this passing game 3 years in a row. Not turning the ball over seems to be his biggest strength, but that comes with leaving a lot of plays on the field. We just need more out of the passing game and that’s something Taylor can’t give us. He has his games, his half’s, his quarters but is way too easy to shut down with simple adjustments.... Like forcing him to stand in the pocket and play QB. 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, K-9 said:

Great point about coaches, specifically DCs. Indeed, they don’t gameplan around what it is you DO so much as what they observe you CAN’T do.

 

 

Teams adapted entirely to Tyrod with film study in the offseason after 2015..............but opposing defenses just didn't have the courage to leave the deep ball open in 2016 like they have had this year.........and that courage is courtesy of the lack of deep threat presence from the x and z receivers the Bills have trotted out to play outside the hashes.

 

If you can stretch the field vertically and at the same time limit the aggressiveness of the pass rush you have a very tough offense to defend.   You can't take both away.......you are left vulnerable somewhere defensively.

 

The Bills had that.........they traded it in for a dink-and-dunk WCO type approach.

 

As NFL Films/NFL matchups Greg Cosell put it on WGR today, the Bills are an "execution based" offense now and while he can do that at times(see the 16 play drive to start the Pats game)  that's not really Tyrod's game.

 

A Taylor offense needs to be about big plays to be really good(like in 2015 and 2016 when they lead the NFL in them).    

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If he didn't set a record for INTs in a half he would have a full game under his belt and probably would still be playing...

 

 

Let's not shortchange Peterman.

 

Yes, he threw 5 interceptions.

 

But he also fumbled once........and then threw what should have been a pick-6 on the one drive that they punted.    

 

There will probably NEVER be a performance that bad by an NFL QB ever again...........that is the new GOLD STANDARD for a badly QB'd game in the NFL.

 

 

[billsredneck1]

17 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Seriously? An apples to apples comparison with a guy who started just over half the games that Taylor has started in the last three years?

 

First of all, both of these guys have about 237-238 yards per game total they're putting up. But

 

yards

 

are

 

NOT

 

the 

 

most

 

important 

 

STAT!!!

 

3 years for McCown, 41 TDs, 33 turnovers.

 

3 years for Taylor, 64 TDs, 21 turnovers.

 

 

'nuff said

 

 

 

buuuuut... there is also the fact that in significantly fewer games than Taylor over the last 3 years, McCown has lost 527 yards on sacks to Taylor's 653 yards.

 

 

annnnnnd... in the last 3 years Taylor has more 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives than McCown.

 

alsoooooo... since I know of a poster or two who view ANY/A as the most important stat, Taylor has a higher average there than McCown over the last 3 years, too.

 

 

McCown is not better than Taylor

ummmm....ok

[transplantbillsfan]

46 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

ummmm....ok

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoJo01.htm

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Teams adapted entirely to Tyrod with film study in the offseason after 2015..............but opposing defenses just didn't have the courage to leave the deep ball open in 2016 like they have had this year.........and that courage is courtesy of the lack of deep threat presence from the x and z receivers the Bills have trotted out to play outside the hashes.

 

If you can stretch the field vertically and at the same time limit the aggressiveness of the pass rush you have a very tough offense to defend.   You can't take both away.......you are left vulnerable somewhere defensively.

 

The Bills had that.........they traded it in for a dink-and-dunk WCO type approach.

 

As NFL Films/NFL matchups Greg Cosell put it on WGR today, the Bills are an "execution based" offense now and while he can do that at times(see the 16 play drive to start the Pats game)  that's not really Tyrod's game.

 

A Taylor offense needs to be about big plays to be really good(like in 2015 and 2016 when they lead the NFL in them).    

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's not shortchange Peterman.

 

Yes, he threw 5 interceptions.

 

But he also fumbled once........and then threw what should have been a pick-6 on the one drive that they punted.    

 

There will probably NEVER be a performance that bad by an NFL QB ever again...........that is the new GOLD STANDARD for a badly QB'd game in the NFL.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

My main critique is that he dove like an idiot and got himself concussed. He threw 10 passes, mostly because of the weather (I think Tyrod threw like 25 in the entire Pittsburgh game), and our only successful drive that people seem to be toting was set up by back to back 20+ yard runs by McCoy (just like our OT score). Unlike some of your fond memories, his 5 incompletions were not all on the WRs, but 2 were. At the end of the day you simply cannot say he had a good outing and point to a 50% completion 57 yard passing day. You do realize that just because something isn't good it doesn't mean it's awful though, right? I have a hard time believing that anyone with football knowledge watched the Colts game and came away saying "Oh man, Peterman had a good game today!".

 

There are at least 26-28 QBs that are better than Tyrod Taylor currently in the NFL, not to mention another 5 or 6 (including Peterman) that have higher ceilings and the potential to pass him in the next year. 

 

Doesn't it tell you something when you spend your time defending Taylor against guys like Josh McCown or a rookie drafted in the 5th round? Doesn't that tell you about the class of player that TT belongs in? No one ever talks about "Who's better? Taylor or Jimmy Garappolo?" or "Who's better? Taylor or Derek Carr?" or "Taylor or DeShaun Watson?" 

 

The reason is that you can't legitimately make a case for Taylor against any of those guys -- never mind the real elite guys Iike Brady, Brees, Ben, etc. 

 

As a QB, TT is defined by the things he doesn't do: he doesn't throw INTs, he doesn't read defenses, he doesn't score very many TDs. 

 

I'll gladly accept 10 more INTs if it means another 1000 yards passing and 15 more TDs.