GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2017 Posted December 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Unlike Greg I DO understand why some people like him. But I am absolutely in agreement with what Benoit sees on film. I see the same.
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Tyrod sucks. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) On 12/27/2017 at 6:22 PM, twoandfourteen said: This is just not true. At least, statistically speaking. Just looking at the three years Taylor has been a starter -- McCown has put up better passing numbers, and that was while playing in the with three-ring circuses known as the Cleveland Browns & NY Jets. This year, JMcC has 18 TD passes in 13 games. How about Tyrod? 13 TDs in 14 games. Must be all those weapons McCown has in NY, right? Passing yards? JMcC's lowest yds/gm is still better than Tyrod's best. Oh, and McCown has more rushing TDs this year. Seriously? An apples to apples comparison with a guy who started just over half the games that Taylor has started in the last three years? First of all, both of these guys have about 237-238 yards per game total they're putting up. But yards are NOT the most important STAT!!! 3 years for McCown, 41 TDs, 33 turnovers. 3 years for Taylor, 64 TDs, 21 turnovers. 'nuff said buuuuut... there is also the fact that in significantly fewer games than Taylor over the last 3 years, McCown has lost 527 yards on sacks to Taylor's 653 yards. annnnnnd... in the last 3 years Taylor has more 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives than McCown. alsoooooo... since I know of a poster or two who view ANY/A as the most important stat, Taylor has a higher average there than McCown over the last 3 years, too. McCown is not better than Taylor Edited December 29, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
Teddy KGB Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: McCown is not better than Taylor Taylor can back up Mccown after we cut him. 34-7 jets with 5 mins left. ☠️☠️???? Edited December 29, 2017 by Teddy KGB 1
MJS Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 Pretty clear that Tyrod cannot be the QB to build around. We can't continue to be bottom 3 in passing and expect to contend. But, he is the perfect bridge QB until we find our franchise guy. He can make just enough plays to help win a game, and takes care of the football, and also is elusive and can make plays with his feet. I wouldn't even be against him starting next year if the Bills get a guy to sit and learn and show that they are legitimately going all in to address the position. I can't imagine McDermott and Beane won't be trying. They seem like smart enough guys and clearly they have shown that they know Tyrod's numerous limitations. This is why they started Peterman for that game. Their hands are tied on offense because of how limited Tyrod is in the passing game. I'd be happy with FA Cousins or any 1st round QB.
twoandfourteen Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: McCown is not better than Taylor But look at what Josh McCown did with horrible defenses and no weapons!!!!!!!!!! He played for the Cleveland Browns & The NY Jets!!!! They are jokes!!!! If the Jets just gave him a good defense and some real WRs he'd be great!!!!!!!!! Do you see what I've been trying to get through to you here?
billsredneck1 Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) On 12/28/2017 at 12:27 AM, Thurman#1 said: You're being obtuse. You say that Tyrod was responsible for 54% of offensive snaps? Unimpressive. Most team pass more than 54% of all snaps. You say that Tyrod was responsible for 61% of the Bills total yards but most teams pass games alone are responsible for a higher percentage of their total yardage than that. Your stats are wildly unremarkable, and in fact below average even when comparing only the pass yardage and snaps of other teams against Tyrod's passes and runs. Tyrod got 65% of the offensive TDs? I compared Tyrod's passing and running QBs totalled, with only the passing TDs of other teams. Still well below average in the resulting rankings for Tyrod. I've spelled it out - clearly - twice now and this is the third time. If you're interested in a research project of some sort, by all means go and do it, but don't expect me to do it for you. Again, I threw all of Tyrod's pass and run stats against just the pass stats of the other QBs. And it still came out well below average. Exactly. It matters because the numbers it gives are high enough that at first glance it seems impressive for Tyrod. Transplant can practically hear people saying stuff like, "58% of something or other? And 65% of some other not real clear thing. Those numbers are over 50%, so they seem high!! And Tyrod's name is there, near high numbers. Hmmm." And for Transplant, that imagined response is enough. transplant will come out eventually and say tyrod was handcuffed by the coaches. he spent 3 years saying that and banging the drum for ej. may be a bit off topic but, as much as i want dennison gone, i can picture the following happening. in the offseason mcd says keeping rico equals needed continuity. he (they) believe enough in what they see in nate to go forward with him and rudolph. however they will be looking for a veteran presence. i'd say they get rudolph with one of the first picks and are happy to keep and use the rest to bolster the roster with young talent. ...and quite honestly, i really wouldn't mind that. over the course of the season with this defense, i think nate could have gotten better than the typical tyrod results. jmo Edited December 29, 2017 by billsredneck1 1
Dr. K Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 On 12/27/2017 at 4:49 PM, Lfod said: I wouldn't worry so much about Tyrod anymore guys. Benching him at the time they did is all you need to know. People can say whatever about benching him but it doesn't take the weight from it happening. They thought Nate Peterman could be a better answer in his rookie year. It does not matter how it turned out with Nate I don't think that suddenly changed thier view on Tyrod. Then add in that he took a pay cut to stay here I would guess this was his year to prove his worth. The benching proves he didn't prove it, at least to the guys in charge. I don't think it matters if you love him or hate him to understand it. You don't take a pay cut then get benched in the middle of a playoff hunt because your good enough in the eyes of the HC who benched you. I think if Nate didn't have a disaster of a start, Tyrod wouldn't even be starting. This isn't a random feeling. The HC benched Tyrod because he wanted Nate to do better and take the job. I can't think of another reason to do it. Tyrod was interesting. I can see why he was pulled from back up duty to start in Buffalo. You just never know until you do know. The same goes for Nate Peterman or anyone. Tyrod has flashes and it was intriguing. I would take interest in a guy that can flash excellence. At some point you have to see it for what it was. A guy who can definitely have moments of greatness but not frequently enough to depend on. So like anyone I was interested to see if those flashes transformed into frequent moments of greatness. Some team next year may have that some wonder about him and take a shot on him. I wish him the best of luck. So no, Tyrod doesn't just suck like people want to lazily lable him. They do have solid points when pointing out some of his negatives. I can see why people like Tyrod and it's the same reasons I did. That potential to flash. The potential to become great. It's been a few years and I think the experiment is over. I have no crystal ball but looking at the big picture I can see the Bills are moving on next year. I think he's had enough time to become what he was gonna become. This is how it turned out. Might be good enough to limp into the playoffs. Not good enough. You have to score points against the Patriots. Just good enough will never take the division. The team needs some real answers to beating the Patriots and that should be the biggest concern. This says it all, I think.
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 57 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: transplant will come out eventually and say tyrod was handcuffed by the coaches. he spent 3 years saying that and banging the drum for ej. may be a bit off topic but, as much as i want dennison gone, i can picture the following happening. in the offseason mcd says keeping rico equals needed continuity. he (they) believe enough in what they see in nate to go forward with him and rudolph. however they will be looking for a veteran presence. i'd say they get rudolph with one of the first picks and are happy to keep and use the rest to bolster the roster with young talent. ...and quite honestly, i really wouldn't mind that. over the course of the season with this defense, i think nate could have gotten better than the typical tyrod results. jmo Yup Coaches aren't dumb. They watch enough tape to realize that the QB is a real problem and the gameplan and game day calls are really hampered by the bad QB play. McD, Beane, TPegs, etc all know this and the track record of the QB the past couple of years enough to not blame the OC for the offensive troubles.
Maine-iac Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 Haha ....... this. https://sports.theonion.com/i-m-just-here-to-win-football-games-says-22-year-old-1819579929
CircleTheWagons99 Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Taylor can back up Mccown after we cut him. 34-7 jets with 5 mins left. ☠️☠️???? But you are not bringing up garbage time, TT's time to SHINE is garbage time. Just ask all the TT faithful! 22 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Haha ....... this. https://sports.theonion.com/i-m-just-here-to-win-football-games-says-22-year-old-1819579929 oh, the onion.....now it makes sense.......
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 On 12/24/2017 at 11:36 PM, Southtown Tommy said: tried that and it doesn't work! But you never know if Peterman will or won't unless you try. I thought they did try.
Bills Pimpin' Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I thought they did try. Yep, the rookie QB should only get 1/2 of a football game to prove himself... But then again, maybe he should get another chance in a historic blizzard game, where he played well, had his team up by a TD in the 3rd quarter before getting hurt. I don't think the book has been written on Peterman, it certanly has on Taylor. Edited December 29, 2017 by Bills Pimpin'
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I thought they did try. yup they did he had a bad outing and a good outing now what?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said: yup they did he had a bad outing and a good outing now what? he did?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, PeterGriffin said: yup what was the good outing?
K-9 Posted December 29, 2017 Posted December 29, 2017 3 hours ago, PeterGriffin said: ... Coaches aren't dumb. They watch enough tape to realize that the QB is a real problem and the gameplan and game day calls are really hampered by the bad QB play. ... Great point about coaches, specifically DCs. Indeed, they don’t gameplan around what it is you DO so much as what they observe you CAN’T do.
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