Comprehensive "Tyrod Taylor is Bad" Thread (VERY Comprehensive)

[twoandfourteen]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

How bout some perspective? 

 

The Bills get a lead and play to punt the ball. That's McDermotts strategy. Get a lead and play Jauron ball. 

 

Easy to look at the stats sheet and say "see, look at the lack of TDs by Tyrod in the 2nd half".... At the same time the run, run, pass, punt offense(sometimes run, run, run, punt offense) when the Bills are leading in the second half NO MATTER HOW LARGE A LEAD from McJauron is Tyrods fault too apparently. 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe they play like that due to an inability of the QB to consistently generate any sort of offense, so the only option is to try and run out the clock. Ever consider that? 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

That's with the corollary of "against teams with a winning record."

 

You silly muppet.  Read more and speak less.  Spouting off about things you're clearly uneducated about makes you look even sillier than normal.

 

 

oh.......so 1-35 isn't too bad in the context of "against teams with a winning record"?

 

Gotcha'.

 

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

oh.......so 1-35 isn't too bad in the context of "against teams with a winning record"?

 

Gotcha'.

 

 

 

Remember when you talked about "keeping goal posts mobile?"  What do you call it when you change the stakes because you don't have a clue what you're talking about? Trying to find the goal posts?   

 

Your "rep" is suffering, little guy.  Better step up that game of yours.

Edited December 26, 2017 by jmc12290

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Lfod said:

The defense scored in a pick 6 in the Pats game. They are one of the big reasons we are even sniffing. The defense played great and had some bad games. The offense hasn't existed much all year.

 

I'd take the same defense next year over the same offence. The Panthers game shows that we had a defense at times this year but the offense didn't show up. All you needed was 1 touchdown to win that game.

I hear you on the offense. However, if the D wasn't turning over their opponent the front 7 has been less than stellar.

 

Which unit would I count on to make a big play in a big moment?

 

yeah - the defense.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

41 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Remember when you talked about "keeping goal posts mobile?"  What do you call it when you change the stakes because you don't have a clue what you're talking about? Trying to find the goal posts?   

 

Your "rep" is suffering, little guy.  Better step up that game of yours.

 

 

The Packers were tied with the Patriots for the active most consecutive playoff appearances in a row coming into this season(8 years)........and they have the league's most dynamic QB......isn't it assumed that they generally aren't losing in the 4th quarter to teams with the losing records?  

 

I mean "yeah, but how does Rodgers do with more than a 1 point deficit against teams with losing records?" just doesn't seem like a very significant distinction in that context now does it?

 

Rodgers and the Pack are in another competitive stratosphere than Tyrod and the Bills..........and at that level even Rodgers struggles to bring his team from behind to victory.

 

No moving of goal posts needed........it's a fairly decisive stat.

 

As for my rep:

 

I've probably never had a more accurate take on an offseason/season than this one........had 3D White as top CB in draft when he wasn't even being talked about on TSW......was the proponent of signing Micah Hyde when everyone else was talking bigger names.......accurately predicted Jauron Ball II when everyone was predicting the tank......Goodwin blossomed after he got his Olympic dreams and that pesky Bills contract out of the way......my oft-cited "look how few first rounders we have to show for never taking a QB with that pick" has whittled down to a near-impossibly pathetic TWO(and only 1 active with Shaq on vacation)........**** man.....I !@#$ing nailed it this year, thank you!

 

Unfortunately.......sucks to be right when it comes to the Bills.

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2017 by BADOLBILZ

[Bing Bong]

He has to be a starter against the phish. Sorry man, it's the way it goes when your quarterbacks are that bad. I don't know what else you want to do about it..

[transplantbillsfan]

I can't believe you guys care about arguing this at this point.

 

Is there a single poster who thinks we aren't inevitably hunting for a future Franchise QB this offseason? If this year isn't Tyrod's last year in Buffalo, next year will be.

 

The OP is just massively over compensating here, though. 

 

Tyrod is not bad, unless your definition of "bad" is a QB who can fall anywhere in the 15-25 range as an NFL starter depending on the situation but is simply not a top 10 Franchise QB.

 

If that's what that Big Dingus means by "bad," then sure.

 

 

But what's the point? Upset that we're sniffing the playoffs with Taylor at the helm when half of you who are currently piling it on are on record that we would NEVER make the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor as our QB? Does it really upset that we're this close to the playoffs and that part of that actually is because of Tyrod Taylor's play, despite all these preemptive efforts by the OP to argue otherwise and how adamantly some of you are trying to deny that simple fact?

 

Don't worry guys, if we make the playoffs, Taylor can get some credit for being the first Bills QB to lead the team to the playoffs since 1999 AND we can still eagerly and thoroughly discuss who we'll draft or acquire this offseason as our future Franchise QB to replace him will be

[Big Gun]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

How bout some perspective? 

 

The Bills get a lead and play to punt the ball. That's McDermotts strategy. Get a lead and play Jauron ball. 

 

Easy to look at the stats sheet and say "see, look at the lack of TDs by Tyrod in the 2nd half".... At the same time the run, run, pass, punt offense(sometimes run, run, run, punt offense) when the Bills are leading in the second half NO MATTER HOW LARGE A LEAD from McJauron is Tyrods fault too apparently. 

 

 

 

 

This is the comedy i'm talking about.  Perspective  that's funny!

 

What part of ZERO non garbage time TDs in the 4th quarter of all games this year don't you understand. 

 

God you're dense.  Thanks for the laugh!

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

47 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

The OP is just massively over compensating here, though. 

 

 

 

Facts too thorough ? 

[twoandfourteen]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Patriots are a hell of a standard to be held too when people like you thought the team was going to win 4 games.

 

I believe in doing what it takes to win games with the personnel you have.

 

I hate Jauron Ball........but once they traded Watkins that was their only option.    I realized that.......knew it was coming........caught some of you by surprise but that's a given.

 

Btw I believe Weo posted the numbers yesterday........the Bills aren't particularly high in the league in 3 and outs and they are pretty good vs. the field at converting 3rd downs..........those usually precede punts, correct?

 

I know the goal posts have to stay mobile though so keep shifting them so you can have a definitive reason to focus the Bills mediocrity on 1 or 2 players when the roster is more holes than patch.

 

 

It's close to that.......it was up to 1-35 or something early in the year.........Rodgers added another loss to that tally last week.

 

It was much referenced and then TT suddenly lead 4th quarter comeback and the goal posts quickly shifted to some other area.

 

Not sure what you mean about TT being elite in 2015...........what I was referencing is Taylor's numbers with both Watkins and Woods healthy in 2015 AND 2016.

 

They've been quoted enough times by Bandit that you'd have to be willfully ignoring them to not have known this.   

 

Either way..........it doesn't matter to you guys........TT could have a max passer rating and 30 TD's and zero pics passing to them but those times he didn't excel with Brandon Tate as his #1 or #2 option........those really tell the story for ya'!

 

Well color me "surprised". Totally had you pegged as a Jauron-Ball kind of guy. 

 

You're being deliberately obtuse here. I, along with the other anti-Taylor's, would be ecstatic if the guy would consistently hit a receiver in stride or maybe had the passing offense ranked somewhere in the mid-teens rather than dead last. It's not exactly a high bar for performance around here, and Taylor has somehow managed to lower those expectations even further by making Kyle Orton look like Peyton Manning. 

 

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I can't believe you guys care about arguing this at this point.

 

Is there a single poster who thinks we aren't inevitably hunting for a future Franchise QB this offseason? If this year isn't Tyrod's last year in Buffalo, next year will be.

 

The OP is just massively over compensating here, though. 

 

Tyrod is not bad, unless your definition of "bad" is a QB who can fall anywhere in the 15-25 range as an NFL starter depending on the situation but is simply not a top 10 Franchise QB.

 

If that's what that Big Dingus means by "bad," then sure.

 

 

But what's the point? Upset that we're sniffing the playoffs with Taylor at the helm when half of you who are currently piling it on are on record that we would NEVER make the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor as our QB? Does it really upset that we're this close to the playoffs and that part of that actually is because of Tyrod Taylor's play, despite all these preemptive efforts by the OP to argue otherwise and how adamantly some of you are trying to deny that simple fact?

 

Don't worry guys, if we make the playoffs, Taylor can get some credit for being the first Bills QB to lead the team to the playoffs since 1999 AND we can still eagerly and thoroughly discuss who we'll draft or acquire this offseason as our future Franchise QB to replace him will be

 

This is actually what I am arguing. 

Taylor is not a 15-25 QB.

 

He's actually more of a 30-35 QB: a barely functional starter, but would be an absolutely invaluable asset as a #2 for a contender with an actual QB. If you need someone to hold down the fort for 2-4 games, then Taylor is THE guy. 

 

But for 16 games? Forget it. 

 

The Bills are in this position 100% despite the play of Tyrod Taylor. With an even marginally competent passing offense, they would most likely already have a playoff spot locked up. 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Facts too thorough ? 

 

50 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

This is actually what I am arguing. 

Taylor is not a 15-25 QB.

 

He's actually more of a 30-35 QB: a barely functional starter, but would be an absolutely invaluable asset as a #2 for a contender with an actual QB. If you need someone to hold down the fort for 2-4 games, then Taylor is THE guy. 

 

But for 16 games? Forget it. 

 

The Bills are in this position 100% despite the play of Tyrod Taylor. With an even marginally competent passing offense, they would most likely already have a playoff spot locked up. 

 

Well what you're arguing doesn't matter, does it? We already know we're going to replace Taylor.

 

Yet, as it is...

 

Despite missing what translates to a full NFL game, he's still responsible for 54% of the offensive snaps, 61% of the offense's total yards, 58% of the offense's total 1st downs...and 65% of the offensive TDs.

 

We have the 8th worst defense by yards, 3rd worst run defense, and we're 18th in points given up per game. Yes we have an opportunistic defense, but even there we're tied for 8th in takeaways.

 

Yet somehow, despite a 5 interception half by Not Ready Nate, we're still 6th in our turnover differential and go into week 17 with a legitimate shot at the playoffs for the first time in 12-13 years.

 

 

Yeah, sorry to inform you, but Tyrod Taylor has been an important part to this team getting to this point this year.

 

Maybe you weirdos will get your wish and  this next game will be the very last game that you have to root for him. Or maybe, just maybe we make it into the playoffs for the first time this millennium and you have to keep rooting for Taylor and give him just a little bit of credit. Like I said, we can start searching for our new QB as soon as the season is done, but it's not

 

 

 

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Tyrod's passing stats are anywhere from mediocre to bad. I don't think anyone is going to argue that. 

 

In your "comprehensive" review of Tyrod you've conveniently left out his running ability. He's an excellent rushing QB. 

 

If you look at Tyrod "comprehensively" he is, in fact, a decent QB.  

Edited December 27, 2017 by DabillsDaBillsDaBills
typo

[twoandfourteen]

15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Well what you're arguing doesn't matter, does it? We already know we're going to replace Taylor.

 

Yet, as it is...

 

Despite missing what translates to a full NFL game, he's still responsible for 54% of the offensive snaps, 61% of the offense's total yards, 58% of the offense's total 1st downs...and 65% of the offensive TDs.

 

We have the 8th worst defense by yards, 3rd worst run defense, and we're 18th in points given up per game. Yes we have an opportunistic defense, but even there we're tied for 8th in takeaways.

 

Yet somehow, despite a 5 interception half by Not Ready Nate, we're still 6th in our turnover differential and go into week 17 with a legitimate shot at the playoffs for the first time in 12-13 years.

 

 

Yeah, sorry to inform you, but Tyrod Taylor has been an important part to this team getting to this point this year.

 

Maybe you weirdos will get your wish and  this next game will be the very last game that you have to root for him. Or maybe, just maybe we make it into the playoffs for the first time this millennium and you have to keep rooting for Taylor and give him just a little bit of credit. Like I said, we can start searching for our new QB as soon as the season is done, but it's not

 

 

 

 

 

Since the QB position is by far the most important on the field, you are correct -- Taylor has been an important part, but only by default. His main contribution has been defined by not doing things: not throwing INTs and not scoring TDs. For example, the offense hasn't had a meaningful 2nd half TD since October. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Tyrod's passing stats are anywhere from mediocre to bad. I don't think anyone is going to argue that. 

 

In your "comprehensive" review of Tyrod you've conveniently left out his running ability. He's an excellent rushing QB. 

 

If you look at Tyrod "comprehensively" he is, in fact, a decent QB.  

 

His running ability is one of the most overrated things in sports. 

 

If I'm a defensive coordinator, I'll gladly concede 50-60 rushing yards to the QB if it means he'll only throw for 140 or 160. Much better to give up 180-200 total yards than face the prospect of allowing 275-300+ to an actual "decent" QB. 

 

His rushing is just a more inefficient way to move the ball downfield. It's great if you've got a guy who can throw -- but when it's your QB's main weapon, it's a recipe for lots of punts and FGs, as we've seen. 

[Bills Pimpin']

With the Jimmy G revelation in SF, I can only think of 2 starting QB's I would start Tyrod over if you take out the Texans starting QB because Watson is hurt. My 2 would be Kizer of the Browns,  and whichever (*^*&%^$^#is starting in Denver this week. Maybe Miami's Cutler is a toss up but in a pinch I think I would choose him too. Definitely Tannehill is better.  And that includes the backups in Philly, Arizona and Green Bay. In all reality, considering years in the league, you could argue he is the worst starting QB in the NFL. And folks on this board are defending him. It's really incredible.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Bills Pimpin'

[26CornerBlitz]

45 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Well what you're arguing doesn't matter, does it? We already know we're going to replace Taylor.

 

Yet, as it is...

 

Despite missing what translates to a full NFL game, he's still responsible for 54% of the offensive snaps, 61% of the offense's total yards, 58% of the offense's total 1st downs...and 65% of the offensive TDs.

 

We have the 8th worst defense by yards, 3rd worst run defense, and we're 18th in points given up per game. Yes we have an opportunistic defense, but even there we're tied for 8th in takeaways.

 

Yet somehow, despite a 5 interception half by Not Ready Nate, we're still 6th in our turnover differential and go into week 17 with a legitimate shot at the playoffs for the first time in 12-13 years.

 

 

Yeah, sorry to inform you, but Tyrod Taylor has been an important part to this team getting to this point this year.

 

Maybe you weirdos will get your wish and  this next game will be the very last game that you have to root for him. Or maybe, just maybe we make it into the playoffs for the first time this millennium and you have to keep rooting for Taylor and give him just a little bit of credit. Like I said, we can start searching for our new QB as soon as the season is done, but it's not

 

People act as if the 2017 Bills have some great roster that's carrying Tyrod with a stout defense and a team full of dangerous offensive weapons.  If he was really a crap QB on the level on Mike Glennon, Brian Hoyer, TJ Yates, Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemian, etc, the Bills would be the 4-12 team that many projected them to be. Yet here we are with 8 wins with a chance to make the playoffs at 9-7.  There's a whole lot of bluster and BS conjecture in this thread that doesn't add up.  

Edited December 27, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[Teddy KGB]

46 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Well what you're arguing doesn't matter, does it? We already know we're going to replace Taylor.

 

Yet, as it is...

 

Despite missing what translates to a full NFL game, he's still responsible for 54% of the offensive snaps, 61% of the offense's total yards, 58% of the offense's total 1st downs...and 65% of the offensive TDs.

 

We have the 8th worst defense by yards, 3rd worst run defense, and we're 18th in points given up per game. Yes we have an opportunistic defense, but even there we're tied for 8th in takeaways.

 

Yet somehow, despite a 5 interception half by Not Ready Nate, we're still 6th in our turnover differential and go into week 17 with a legitimate shot at the playoffs for the first time in 12-13 years.

 

 

Yeah, sorry to inform you, but Tyrod Taylor has been an important part to this team getting to this point this year.

 

Maybe you weirdos will get your wish and  this next game will be the very last game that you have to root for him. Or maybe, just maybe we make it into the playoffs for the first time this millennium and you have to keep rooting for Taylor and give him just a little bit of credit. Like I said, we can start searching for our new QB as soon as the season is done, but it's not

 

 

 

 

 

So basically you want him back next year ? 

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

People act as if the 2017 Bills have some great roster that's carrying Tyrod with a stout defense and a team full of dangerous offensive weapons.  If he was really a crap QB on the level on Mike Glennon, Brian Hoyer, TJ Yates, Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemian, etc, the Bills would be the 4-12 team that many projected them to be. Yet here we are with 8 wins with a chance to make the playoffs at 9-7.  There's a whole lot of bluster and BS conjecture in this thread that doesn't add up.  

 

He’s better than Yates.       You nailed it.  

[Bills Pimpin']

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

People act as if the 2017 Bills have some great roster that's carrying Tyrod with a stout defense and a team full of dangerous offensive weapons.  If he was really a crap QB on the level on Mike Glennon, Brian Hoyer, TJ Yates, Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemian, etc, the Bills would be the 4-12 team that many projected them to be. Yet here we are with 8 wins with a chance to make the playoffs at 9-7.  There's a whole lot of bluster and BS conjecture in this thread that doesn't add up.  

Interesting you didn't name a starting QB in your list, and curiously all named have been benched this year. At least you are in the right area for comparisons sake. Thanks for making the argument for us.

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

So basically you want him back next year ? 

 

He’s better than Yates.       You nailed it.  

 

You really don't pay attention as per usual. Different name, same silliness.   You're dismissed.

 

2 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Interesting you didn't name a starting QB in your list, and curiously all named have been benched this year. At least you are in the right area for comparisons sake. Thanks for making the argument for us.

 

They all began the season as starters.  The Bills have no viable alternative on the current roster. Thanks for playing and on to the 2018 draft to find the potential franchise QB.  Keep pimpin'  I mean simpin' 

Edited December 27, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[twoandfourteen]

 

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Mike Glennon, Brian Hoyer, TJ Yates, Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemian

 

This is exactly the group Tyrod belongs in: career backups who become fringe starters out of desperation when there are no other options. However, no one defends these guys or proclaims them to be "elite" by any measure. They are punchlines, just as you have intended to use them here. 

 

I watched one game with Osweiler this year. The guy was not good. However, even he was making certain throws that Taylor has NEVER shown any acumen for. Taylor is just smarter with the football and understands how to work within his own limitations overall better than the group of clowns you listed. I don't know much about the "intangible" side of things with that group, but I would imagine that Taylor is far and away superior on that front as far as that is concerned.