Bray Wyatt Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, GG said: Emergency motion granted to CNN. Careful what you wish for. Is that just until the suit can be heard and ruled on?
GG Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Is that just until the suit can be heard and ruled on? Correct. Judge didn't rule on any merits, just granted emergency motion. My guess is that all regular briefings will be canceled until the lawsuit is done. Edited November 16, 2018 by GG 3
Koko78 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nanker said: Until now, that is. #FREEMEADE No press pass no peace! There shall only be civility in society when @mead107 is rightfully given his due. 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. Have you forgotten that Martin Luther King Jr was denied a press pass prior to the March on Selma? What about American citizens of Japanese heritage having their press passes pulled? The treatment of US soldiers returning from Vietnam and the denial their press passes? What about the epidemic of over-prescription of Press Pass denials resulting in the deaths of 200 Americans per day? Sir, Jim Acosta is the aggrieved party here, and the ripple effect of this tragedy is not yet known but likely will be devastating. As Phil Collins once sang...ripples never come back. This is still America, isn't it? In the 1930's, Nazi Germany started pulling the press passes of Jews. This Acoster thing is simply Trump showing that he is, indeed, actual literal super mecha-Hitler. We're one small step away from concentration camps. Edited November 16, 2018 by Koko78 2
B-Man Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 Quote Sonny BunchVerified account @SonnyBunch 1h1 hour ago In the future, we will measure time not by days or weeks but by Acostacycles. 1
dubs Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 understanding this ruling was not on merits, I see absolutely no single sentence in the Constitution guaranteeing White House press access, ability to ask questions to the president, or anything similar. Also don’t see how this has anything to do with due process. He’s not being charged with a crime. 2
DC Tom Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, dubs said: understanding this ruling was not on merits, I see absolutely no single sentence in the Constitution guaranteeing White House press access, ability to ask questions to the president, or anything similar. Also don’t see how this has anything to do with due process. He’s not being charged with a crime. There isn't one. There is, however, freedom of the press. And historically courts interpret First Amendment issues very broadly in favor of the people and against government control. Which is not to say I support Acosta, or this stay. I understand the stay, and am not surprised by it. But I think that "freedom of the press" does not extend to "freedom of one person to demand a pass to be a disruptive jackass at press briefings." It's not "the press" that's having their "freedom of the press" suspended. It's Acosta's presumed individual right to be an *****, which the Constitution does not grant.
Foxx Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 freedom of the press means that they can say anything they want (almost). no where does that right include a right to be present at any event.
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: There isn't one. There is, however, freedom of the press. And historically courts interpret First Amendment issues very broadly in favor of the people and against government control.Which is not to say I support Acosta, or this stay. I understand the stay, and am not surprised by it. But I think that "freedom of the press" does not extend to "freedom of one person to demand a pass to be a disruptive jackass at press briefings." It's not "the press" that's having their "freedom of the press" suspended. It's Acosta's presumed individual right to be an *****, which the Constitution does not grant. 4 This could open a whole nother can of worms though. Who defines "the press"? Am I (generic "I") "the press" because I have a blog? Am I "the press" because I print out political commentary and stick those sheets of paper to telephone poles in my neighborhood? Am I "the press" because I took journalism in college? How do you keep out the National Enquirer? The Daily Beast? Someone from GAB? Me? Does it go by ratings? By subscribers? By youtube followers? By Facebook followers? Who should decide who has access to the White House? The President? Or a different, co-equal branch of the government? And what if the person's "hard pass" (or day pass, or any press pass) is pulled due to a security risk? Why should s/he get it back?
DC Tom Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: This could open a whole nother can of worms though. Who defines "the press"? Am I (generic "I") "the press" because I have a blog? Am I "the press" because I print out political commentary and stick those sheets of paper to telephone poles in my neighborhood? Am I "the press" because I took journalism in college? How do you keep out the National Enquirer? The Daily Beast? Someone from GAB? Me? Does it go by ratings? By subscribers? By youtube followers? By Facebook followers? Who should decide who has access to the White House? The President? Or a different, co-equal branch of the government? And what if the person's "hard pass" (or day pass, or any press pass) is pulled due to a security risk? Why should s/he get it back? Yep. It's a much more difficult question with the advent of social media. In previous administrations, "the press" for the purposes of White House briefings was defined by the Press Secretary. And generally, any obviously questionable exclusions (e.g. Fox, by the Obama administration) was met with protest from the rest of the press pool - recognize major outlets have together jealously guarded their privilege, despite what differences they might have. Conversely, minor or fringe outlets could be excluded without comment...and even including them might unify the major outlets in protest (I recall Ari Fleischer mentioning such in his memoirs.) . But the important point in all of those historical instances is that "the press" was defined at an institutional level. Even the iconic Helen Thomas, who's position in the press corps late in life was in no small part honorary, still represented Hearst, and not herself as an individual. Whoever defines "the press," it's always been defined institutionally and not individually within the context of the White House Press Corps. Even the stay, in this case, is a distressing move away from that...and like GG says, careful what you wish for. And I wish Thomas was still alive and in the press corps today. She would have knocked Acosta in to next week and kicked his ass on Tuesday for his antics. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: There shall only be civility in society when @mead107 is rightfully given his due. In the 1930's, Nazi Germany started pulling the press passes of Jews. This Acoster thing is simply Trump showing that he is, indeed, actual literal super mecha-Hitler. We're one small step away from concentration camps. I don't see how the dominos could fall any other way given this Acosta thing. 1+2 always equals 3.
Foxx Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) that's about the size of it. https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1063497488462577664 should be an interesting PC today... https://twitter.com/swdoody/status/1063483006340538368 https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1063456602890661890 Edited November 16, 2018 by Foxx 2
dubs Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 56 minutes ago, DC Tom said: There isn't one. There is, however, freedom of the press. And historically courts interpret First Amendment issues very broadly in favor of the people and against government control. Which is not to say I support Acosta, or this stay. I understand the stay, and am not surprised by it. But I think that "freedom of the press" does not extend to "freedom of one person to demand a pass to be a disruptive jackass at press briefings." It's not "the press" that's having their "freedom of the press" suspended. It's Acosta's presumed individual right to be an *****, which the Constitution does not grant. V Good overview. I agree totally. Thanks for that!
Foxx Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 this is rich. https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1063471080877125632 https://twitter.com/Harlan/status/1063470951705264128
Albwan Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: There shall only be civility in society when @mead107 is rightfully given his due. In the 1930's, Nazi Germany started pulling the press passes of Jews. This Acoster thing is simply Trump showing that he is, indeed, actual literal super mecha-Hitler. We're one small step away from concentration camps. Yea, for non-democrats.
Foxx Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 https://twitter.com/McKnightmare_/status/1063446510195695616
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Yep. It's a much more difficult question with the advent of social media. In previous administrations, "the press" for the purposes of White House briefings was defined by the Press Secretary. And generally, any obviously questionable exclusions (e.g. Fox, by the Obama administration) was met with protest from the rest of the press pool - recognize major outlets have together jealously guarded their privilege, despite what differences they might have. Conversely, minor or fringe outlets could be excluded without comment...and even including them might unify the major outlets in protest (I recall Ari Fleischer mentioning such in his memoirs.) . But the important point in all of those historical instances is that "the press" was defined at an institutional level. Even the iconic Helen Thomas, who's position in the press corps late in life was in no small part honorary, still represented Hearst, and not herself as an individual. Whoever defines "the press," it's always been defined institutionally and not individually within the context of the White House Press Corps. Even the stay, in this case, is a distressing move away from that...and like GG says, careful what you wish for. And I wish Thomas was still alive and in the press corps today. She would have knocked Acosta in to next week and kicked his ass on Tuesday for his antics. 4 I wholeheartedly agree with that!
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