[Misleading Title]Chargers QB benching

[Bing Bong]

4 hours ago, CLTbills said:

It doesn't matter. We wouldn't have won that game with any quarterback that day. It's a moot point.

no, I literally said in the OP. Chargers are not that good. But they look better with 5 interceptions first half.

8 hours ago, McBean said:

To much has been said about Nate's first start.

 

It was the perfect storm. Going against one of the league's best defensive line combined with KB getting hurt first possession, it was down hill.

 

Out of the 5 picks, two wasn't the guys fault. 

 

I bet given a full season to start, Nate would put up better numbers than TT if I had to bet.

 

JMO.

so don't start him at Chargers in 2017 = bad coaching decision.

[Wily Dog]

 

49 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

Unless you follow the chain of events that preceded the decision. 

 

 

 

There is no way you can talk to the posters who think Peterman through five interceptions on his own. He had Help, one from a back who on a pass that should have been caught and two on "lookout" blocks that allowed him 2 seconds to pass.Whether the blocks were the result of malice by the blockers is a matter that the coaches will have to sort out. Bosa said "he didn't block me". McD is going to be around awhile and I would think that a marginal tackle would think before "playing games" with his future.

 

 

Edited December 24, 2017 by Wily Dog
the first post should not be there

[Heitz]

41 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

Unless you follow the chain of events that preceded the decision. 

 

Or the game itself - yes, it WAS Nate that threw those 5 picks, but the O line was not helping his cause...

 

The kid was getting crushed by the Chargers D from the jump and losing KB on the first play of the game didn't help. 

 

Could TT have escaped that pass rush a few times, or maybe held the ball and not throw the picks?  Sure.  But that pass rush was ferocious and I don't any of our QB's (even Joe Webb's Special Package) would have had a good day in LA...

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

There is way you can talk to the posters who think Peterman through five interceptions on his own. He had Help, one from a back who on a pass that should have been caught and two on "lookout" blocks that allowed him 2 seconds to pass.Whether the blocks were the result of malice by the blockers is a matter that the coaches will have to sort out. Bosa said "he didn't block me". McD is going to be around awhile and I would think that a marginal tackle would think before "playing games" with his future.

 

What?  The very same OL that "blocked" for Taylor on a weekly basis.  Excuses. 

[What a Tuel]

I saw this topic, and thought why would they bench Rivers?!? That's awesome....then realized we are still agonizing over this stupid game. The way the team played, Tyrod was not winning it either. Get over it.

[Wily Dog]

As i said there is no way you can talk to the posters ................

[twoandfourteen]

No one is mentioning Peterman's fumble that was run back for a TD against the Chargers. 

 

That never would have happened if Tyrod had started!

 

McDermott is an idiot! 

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

In hindsight, Peterman wasn't ready. That's obvious. I can't fault McDermott for wanting to do something to spark the offense, his error was believing NP was up to the task. Regardless, the Bills were playing horribly at the time with Taylor at the controls. The Chargers were in the midst of a hot streak, and Keenan Allen was virtually uncoverable at WR for a stretch. With Lynns knowledge of defending Taylor thrown in, I don't see the Bills winning that game either way. Taylor HAS improved since then, with the opening drive vs NE being his one critical error since the benching. Perhaps it had some positive effect on his play. If you want to play the what if game, take a look at the loss @ CIN. The Bills had the benefit of multiple takeaways in that game, and Taylor failed to get them in the end zone with a first down in the red area. Or a wasted defensive effort at CAR, in which the moribund passing offense produced just a FG. Those are critical in the Bills playoff scenarios as well. 

 

Has he really improved since the benching - KC we won and he almost threw for 200 yards and had a TD.  The Patriots - once again he did not even hit 75 yards for the game before giving way to Peterman.  Then out a game with injury and a good game against Miami.

 

His last 3 starts are his career in a nutshell.  1 terrible game that he did nothing in - that was winnable with even a passable effort, but he did nothing.  1 very average game with no turnovers and 1 above average game.  He is so inconsistent it is not funny.  

 

TT is what he has been and I will keep saying it.  He is a below average QB that benefits from his athletic ability and the fact that he will not take a chance with the ball.  There is a time and place for that, but TT has not shown that recognition yet and you still see him struggle late in games when we are down big (see NO or NE) to throw the ball into windows or speed up the progression or even speed up the offense and run something like a hurry up.  

 

This is multiple HCs and OCs with the same results - this is a player issue not coaching.

[The Big Cat]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think that anyone believes Peterman should have started. It was a mistake. At the same time there’s no reason to rehash it on the verge of a huge couple of weeks. Let’s move forward and focus on what needs to happen to get into the playoffs.

 

Actually 81 of 150 respondents believe Petetman should have started.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 hours ago, McBean said:

To much has been said about Nate's first start.

 

It was the perfect storm. Going against one of the league's best defensive line combined with KB getting hurt first possession, it was down hill.

 

Out of the 5 picks, two wasn't the guys fault. 

 

I bet given a full season to start, Nate would put up better numbers than TT if I had to bet.

 

JMO.

If Tyrod’s 4 picks 2 weren’t his fault. That’s a terrible argument. 

3 minutes ago, The Big Cat said:

 

Actually 81 of 150 respondents believe Petetman should have started.

54% of this place is on the spectrum. I’ve said that we are one of the least educated fan bases in the world, this solidifies it.

Edited December 24, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[transplantbillsfan]

Hindsight is 20/20... but Taylor... obviously.

[K-9]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I thought Rivers was getting benched when I saw this thread 

Exactly how I read it, too.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

The Chargers coaching decision debate has come back again now that it has become relevant in playoffs. Again I am fighting the ludicrous notion that Peterman should have started. Please give me your honest opinion, as I'd like to know if I am in the minority and stop this crusade. And I sincerely apologize if I harp on it too much, I believe my "opinion" is fact and love to argue as such. 

 

We still get handled, don't forget we got crushed the two previous weeks and is the reason Tyrod got benched. Also he played the second half and wasn't good there either.

 

Tyrod is just not good enough and even if we make the playoffs he still gets replaced next year.

 

 

The loss that will come back to haunt us is the Carolina game, just one catch away.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If Tyrod’s 4 picks 2 weren’t his fault. That’s a terrible argument. 

54% of this place is on the spectrum. I’ve said that we are one of the least educated fan bases in the world, this solidifies it.

 

Lol

 

you arrogant twat. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

McD wanted to win, If anyone is to be blamed it should be Taylor with horrid outings against the Jets and Saints. The Chargers defense would've done the same thing the Jets defense did only better . Lynn knows Taylor's weaknesses like the back of his hand. I think it's a 50/50 call but Taylor should've started, not because he was the better QB but because you just don't start a rookie QB against the best D-Line in the NFL. The bottom line is Taylor's horrid play and Lynn knowledge of Taylor's weaknesses played a big role in him being benched. I'm sure Peterman was also pushing Taylor in practice sessions. I don't blame McD for starting Peterman but it was not fair to Peterman to start him vs the Chargers under those circumstances.

[Doc Brown]

A majority on this board were for Peterman's start (including me) after being destroyed two weeks in a row.  I was tired of the three on offense tiring out our defense and thought Taylor was holding on to the ball too long.  I was completely wrong, but I did say in the gameday thread to pull him after the 2nd pick as I had no idea how dominant the Chargers d-line was.

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

With regard to McDermott's decsiom making you somehow think he's above reproach because he's the HC?  Not even as we have seen with both personnel and in game decisions.  Mentioning Tom Brady, DeShaun Watson, Draymond Green, and Zach Levine in a discussion about this particular rookie QB is puuzzling since none have a darned thing to do with any assessment of what Peterman brings to the table as an NFL prospect.   It's a farcical  way of talking about him as he has his own set of strengths and weaknesses that make him who he is.  You want to hold out hope that he'll develop into something more beyond what I see in him, then that's up to you. 

 

How Peterson did against the Colts is pretty much a throwaway given the conditions under which the game was played.  Now with regard to Tyrod, I'm not looking for any real improvement because he is who and what he is.  I like many others am hoping for the BIlls to draft a potential franchise QB, but that's for the seasons ahead.  In the interim of what's left in the 2017 he remains the best QB on this current team as I have posted many times. All of this silliness about man crushes and CoT is a bunch on nonsense. 

 

I’m saying that most people on this earth would trust him over you regarding a football decision.  You’ve never been in control of an nfl team and will never be.  Hence it being an easy decision.  Yes, coaches can be wrong and fans can be correct, but the fact that he actually coaches Peterman and Taylor, allows me to side with the coach over couch guy.  There is something he knows, that you don’t know.  That would be WHY he chose to bench tyrod.  I don’t know why, but he does and that’s good enough for me at this point.  8-6 with pretty crappy qb and a defense that disappeared for half the season.  Not a bad first year.  4-12 was my prediction before the season.  What was yours?

 

 

all of those players are completely relevant to this conversation.  You’re just being pig headed and refuse to see it, as expected.  Your evaluation of Peterman means zero in the greater scheme of things.  McD wasn’t privy to 26cb scouting notes apparently. 

 

 

Peterman thorwing perfect passes in that weather means zero.  Another, as expected. 

 

 

I dont think there are many here that think Peterman is going to be our long term qb.  It’s just we don’t know what we have in him yet, while everyone knows what we have in Tyrod.    You already knew what Peterman was due to your diligent scouting.  The rest of us plebs will have to watch him play in the nfl in order to make that realization.  

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Lol

 

you arrogant twat. 

I mean this wasn’t all that complicated. This wasn’t finding the cure for cancer and then looking down upon those that couldn’t find the cure. This was more like “should we stick our hands in the fire or not?”

 

The only people in the world that thought that it was a good idea were some Bills fans and Rick Dennison. It was an EPIC failure and those that supported it came out looking like morons. This really doesn’t fly in the face of my assertion that our fan base isn’t knowledgeable. We aren’t. 

 

There really is no reason for “I told you so” in this case. “Should Peterman have started” is like asking “is ice cold?” You don’t need to dance in the end zone for identifying that ice, is in fact, cold. 

 

Edited December 24, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Dr.Sack]

Tyrod is a bottom 1/3 starter. Peterman is a 3rd string QB. 

[ChasBB]

It's real easy to point at ONE thing throughout the course of the season that could have change a loss to a win.  At the time, the decision was the correct decision.  It didn't work out, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision - even in hind sight.  If DiMarco doesn't treat the football like it's a volleyball, maybe that game unfolds completely differently.  There should not be any more emphasis on the Chargers loss over any other loss and every loss can be reviewed and missed opportunities found.  Go Bills and win the last 2 regular season games - and maybe we can skip having this conversation!

Edited December 24, 2017 by ChasBB