Why I wouldn't want Cousins in Buffalo

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

This is exactly what I have been saying in multiple other threads when discussing Cousins...he doesn't make up for the good players you will have to let walk or not be able to sign because of how much you are paying him.

 

Ant team who signs him to a huge contract will live to regret it long-term.

 

....absolutely agree....30+ mil/yr for mediocrity with so many other holes to fill?....the knock around here is it is the lack of a supporting cast and not his fault......and we have a SUPERIOR supporting cast or can assemble it overnight?......according to the pundits here, our WR corp sucks, DL sucks, OL usually sucks, after Shady the RB corp sucks....what did I leave out?....sure sounds like an overnight fix to me (COUGH)....somebody will throw absurd 30+ mil money at him but I sure as hell hope it isn't OBD.....

Edited December 23, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

Fun FACT:  As a full time starter, Cousins has never had his feature back rush for more than 752 yards.  

 

For those counting, that's 47 yards a game.  Yet he still puts up stats and has still led his team to the playoffs.

 

 

Yeah in a year when the rest of the division went 7-9, 6-10 and 4-12...must be nice...how many times would the Bills have made the playoffs over the last 17 years if we could have that...

 

 

Edited December 23, 2017 by matter2003

[Bill_with_it]

49 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I have watched him play. He doesn’t suck. He also will need a strong supporting cast to win.you could say those same things about Ne and GB at times. Still Rogers and Brady win with what they have. Paying Cousins money like he is Elite doesn’t make him play like it.

I dont think he needs a strong supporting cast. I think he needs better offensive gameplan than what they have been doing. I have watched him numerous times. They rely too much on passing. They dont have a good balance. They often dial up the same plays over and over even after they have been shown to not work during the game. They refuse to make in game adjustments offensively. They really havent committed the effort to establish a running game. 

Rodgers and Brady dont win with what they have. Randall cobb, jordy nelson, rob gronkowski, and the myriad of wes welker copy cats scream strong supporting cast. 

Jordan Reed doesnt know how to block in the run game or just plain refuses too, and Jackson when he olayed for them was a deep ball specialist only.

I realize hes not brady or rodgers, but you know there are 30 other teams that dont have those two. There are also superbowl winners not named brady or rodgers.

Tom Brady led teams have lost superbowls.

Speaking of money, yes money is a factor. I dont want the team to be put in sc purgatory as Whaley had us in, however, with the draft capital we have we could set the team around him for a while. 

Ps we broke the brinks truck open for a shell of a dt, I think its about time to do it for a player that can actually help us win.

Edited December 23, 2017 by Bill_with_it

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I agree with the OP.

 

Cousins will never win a super bowl. Does anyone dispute that? So, why pay him like he could? 

 

Kind of reminds me of how we reached to try to make Fitzpatrick a franchise QB.

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Don’t forget that Washington will also likely want at least a 1st round pick for Cousins

 

Who cares what they likely want? The only way the Redskins get anything from losing him is if they risk tagging him at ~$30 million for the season to trade him. Any other team would be insane to try to pick up that cap hit unless he has already committed to a new contract (and why would he when he gets $30+ million guaranteed and can still up his price next year.)

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

Yeah in a year when the rest of the division went 7-9, 6-10 and 4-12...must be nice...how many times would the Bills have made the playoffs over the last 17 years if we could have that...

 

 

 

Twice.  In 17 years!

[BFLO]

Cousins has been a top 10 QB in the league all 4 seasons he has played. He was top 3 last year. He has never had a strong supporting cast. The redskins are a bottom 5 team without cousins. He has carried them and made them look a lot better than they are. Cousins made DeSean Jackon and Peirre Garcon look good, not the other way around.

 

If the Redskins let Cousins go they are looking at a 2-3 win team next season, unless they pull another top 10 qb out of nowhere like they did with Kirk.

[GoBills808]

Cian Fahey
“I actually think he might have had his best season in the league, and I, but again, like what is that saying? I don’t think it’s saying a huge amount.  Obviously, he’s had big numbers in the past.  I always feel like he’s a guy who is going to take the 6 yards that are definite instead of taking the like 20 yard throw, or aggressive throw, that will actually help you win the game.  See, this is the thing you kinda need to dive really deep into.  We tend to, in the NFL, say that if a guy doesn’t throw interceptions he makes good decisions, but I always find the situational awareness, the situational understanding, of what your team needs at a specific time to try and win the game.  I always find that to be a better determination of how good you are at making decisions and I’m still very much concerned, that’s my biggest concern with Cousins, like I think he’s a guy who would happily check down on 3rd and long, who’ll happily check down on even 2nd and intermediate or medium whatever you want to call it, and I don’t think that helps you win games, I don’t think he elevates anyone around him, I don’t think he sets you up for success, and especially not when you’re ganna have to pay him $25 or $30 million a year, whatever it is.”

 

This is rich coming from Fahey. 

[CommonCents]

1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I agree with the OP.

 

Cousins will never win a super bowl. Does anyone dispute that? So, why pay him like he could? 

 

Kind of reminds me of how we reached to try to make Fitzpatrick a franchise QB.

You think it takes a better QB than Cousins to win a super bowl? There is plenty of recent history that suggests otherwise. It will only become more likely as Brady, Rodgers, Ben, and Brees head towards retirement. 

 

 

[Real McClappy]

13 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

You think it takes a better QB than Cousins to win a super bowl? There is plenty of recent history that suggests otherwise. It will only become more likely as Brady, Rodgers, Ben, and Brees head towards retirement. 

 

 

Speaking of those 4 QB's listed. When all 4 of those guys retire in 2-3 years it just shoots Cousins stock up even higher. He will be a top5 QB in this league on the right team but we don't want it. This is Brees 2.0 all over again.

I'm just glad fans don't run the FO. 

Edited December 23, 2017 by Real McCoy

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

32 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

You think it takes a better QB than Cousins to win a super bowl? There is plenty of recent history that suggests otherwise. It will only become more likely as Brady, Rodgers, Ben, and Brees head towards retirement. 

 

 

 

The “other” medicore guys who have won in the last pass-heavy itieration of the NFL are rare and extreme outliers. I can only recall one (Flacco). The rest are what I would consider elite QBs and even then,  there are obviously elite QBs in that same group who haven’t won one (Rivers, Stafford).

 

The safer and better investment, as crazy as it sounds, is to hit the lottery in the draft on your next franchise QB. 

 

 

[KD in CA]

Same here.  I have no interest in a guy who's better at playing QB than anyone who's put on a Bills jersey in the past 20 years.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Twice.  In 17 years!

Nah...at least 3 including this year possibly 4 depending on tie breaks

[CommonCents]

33 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

 

The “other” medicore guys who have won in the last pass-heavy itieration of the NFL are rare and extreme outliers. I can only recall one (Flacco). The rest are what I would consider elite QBs and even then,  there are obviously elite QBs in that same group who haven’t won one (Rivers, Stafford).

 

The safer and better investment, as crazy as it sounds, is to hit the lottery in the draft on your next franchise QB. 

 

 

 

Safer and better? Have any numbers which back that up? I imagine it would be hard to find, Cousins is one of the best FA QBS that's been available in my lifetime. I'm not a big fan of the guy, mostly personal preference, but to say the odds on move is to draft a QB seems like guess work. 

[MattM]

Not sure if it's been mentioned above, but the other benefit of Cousins is it allows us to use all 4 of our top picks in the first and second round next year on other positions of need.  That will also help our cap by hopefully providing 4 relatively cheap starters for the next 4-5 years.  Compare that to the other option of packaging 2-4 of those picks to move up to get a rookie who may be great, but who may not,

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, mannc said:

And yet, the Chargers were willing to move on from him...

I also seem to recall that Brees was traded to the Saints for a second round pick, and was not a FA, like Cousins, but maybe I’m misremembering that.

 

You completely mis-remember.  Brees was a FA when he signed with the Saints.

 

The Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers in 2004, and paid him the Big Bucks needed to sign a 1st round draft choice at that time.

 

The Chargers franchised Brees in 2005.  In 2006, Brees was injured - torn labrum, rotator cuff.  The Chargers offered him a 5 year, $50M (big money at the time) that protected them against Brees injury by paying little up front - so Brees went shopping, and the Saints outbid them - 6 years, $60M but $10M up front and $12M the 2nd year.

Keep in mind that through all this, the Chargers had a well-paid 1st round draft pick sitting on their bench for 2 years.  They had to move on from one or the other.

 

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

On ‎12‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 12:50 PM, matter2003 said:

 

Proven to do exactly what? Put up big numbers or win games? People need to stop looking at numbers and start looking at results.

 

He's been to the playoffs twice. Once on him alone being the QB. 

[Woodman19]

I find it interesting how Cousins is blamed for the lack of team success yet Tyrod is defended by the lack of team excuse.

[RobH063]

On 12/23/2017 at 2:46 AM, GreggTX said:

I don't want Cousins because I want the Bills to win at least 1 SB before I die and it will never happen with any of the retreads people are trying to envision for us. I'm sure the rest of the AFCE would secretly be thrilled, though.

I do too. I'm 56 so I doubt that will happen

[blacklabel]

I doubt this current front office makes a huge push for Cousins. We have to wait to see if the guy even hits free agency first. Washington can franchise him for a third time which would cost them like $34 million and that would equal out to something like $78 million for three seasons. He made $20 mil in 2016 and $24 million this season. Regardless if he's the best QB in the league, it's likely he's going to be the highest paid one just because of how the market works now. Wherever he lands he's likely signing the largest QB contract in NFL history. 

 

Everything Team McBeane has said points to them drafting and developing their own guy. And I think that guy is gonna be Mason Rudolph or Josh Allen. I'm not saying these are my personal choices but based on things Beane has said about what he looks for in a QB, these guys fit his description. It's one of those two if they can't move up and get Rosen or Darnold (who may return to USC). 

 

Is Neil O'Donnell busy? How about Steve DeBerg? What's Dave Krieg up to? Bills really missed the boat on those dudes. They're off winning numerous Plooper Bowls.