Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) We really need him to step up big these remaining 2 games. Since Mario and Schwartz left he has declined way too much for what he is making. I was hoping the last 2 years were on Rex but under McD it's actually looking worse without the mid Dline push into the QB. 14 sacks in his last 46 games is nothing to be all that excited about. He runs a damn giant circle around the QB every play and has not recorded a sack since week 4 this year. I know we are in the middle of a playoff push run right now. Asking fans, what is the deal with this guy and can he be coached back to 2014 form? He's slotted to make 10mill 2018 and 19. Do we move on with the 2018 out (5.8 mill dead cap hit) in his contract and sign someone new in FA? Edited December 19, 2017 by Real McCoy image add
CommonCents Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 He wasn't the focal point of offenses in 14', same player, just getting more attention and he isn't good enough to overcome it.
BillsFan130 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Commonsense said: He wasn't the focal point of offenses in 14', same player, just getting more attention and he isn't good enough to overcome it. I don't think he's the same player personally. You're right that he's getting a bit more attention , but a lot of the times he has 1 on 1 and he'll just run past the quarterback opening up a gaping hole in the pocket.
3rdand12 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Commonsense said: He wasn't the focal point of offenses in 14', same player, just getting more attention and he isn't good enough to overcome it. is he really not good enough? Frazier so often has him speed rushing the LT in a semi contain. How often do you see him stunt or spin back inside? and we had Mario Williams playing for real and Dareus looking for a contract. Team game Common COACHING. 1
Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Author Posted December 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Commonsense said: He wasn't the focal point of offenses in 14', same player, just getting more attention and he isn't good enough to overcome it. Was really pumped to see him get that new contract in 2015 as well as he appeared to deserve it.
3rdand12 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, billsfan11 said: I don't think he's the same player personally. You're right that he's getting a bit more attention , but a lot of the times he has 1 on 1 and he'll just run past the quarterback opening up a gaping hole in the pocket. he is mostly one on one running outside the edge. not always, but mostly. There are reasons for it. but must suck for him. He has gotten so close each game. We really have had poor tackles rotating in. Washington for example. Till we got the run stuffing Coleman teams would come up at the A B gaps. depending on where Kyle lined up. Lawson does and did not pressure and or force the play back to the left side. Only a few times this season have i seen Hughes moved around as he does best. Rex tried to make him a LB. He is pure pass rusher 1
Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Author Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: is he really not good enough? Frazier so often has him speed rushing the LT in a semi contain.How often do you see him stunt or spin back inside? and we had Mario Williams playing for real and Dareus looking for a contract. Team game Common COACHING. I was gonna pop bolded in the main thread too. Need and miss this 2
3rdand12 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I was gonna pop bolded in the main thread too. Need and miss this Thanks ! i just watched that about 50 times lol Edited December 19, 2017 by 3rdand12 1
CommonCents Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: is he really not good enough? Frazier so often has him speed rushing the LT in a semi contain. How often do you see him stunt or spin back inside? and we had Mario Williams playing for real and Dareus looking for a contract. Team game Common COACHING. Semi contain? His speed rush often takes him well past contain, I can remember numerous draws running right into the void he created. Do you really think the coach tells him not to utilize his pass rushing moves? In 14' trying to stop the Bills rush was a task, now it's eliminate Hughes and enjoy the pocket. I said it back then he isn't good enough to be the sole pass rusher, not many guys are.
3rdand12 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Semi contain? His speed rush often takes him well past contain, I can remember numerous draws running right into the void he created. Do you really think the coach tells him not to utilize his pass rushing moves? In 14' trying to stop the Bills rush was a task, now it's eliminate Hughes and enjoy the pocket. I said it back then he isn't good enough to be the sole pass rusher, not many guys are. Yes i really do think he is asked to rush outside and try to curl the edge. He is too small to power a LT. he is speed and burst and when he is asked to do this it is a form of containing the pocket. you know that Edited December 19, 2017 by 3rdand12
CommonCents Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, 3rdand12 said: Yes i really do think he is asked to rush outside and try to curl the edge. He is too small to power a LT. he is speed and burst Not asked to do it for contain like you mentioned but doing it because it's his best chance of actually getting home. 1
3rdand12 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Not asked to do it for contain like you mentioned but doing it because it's his best chance of actually getting home. I don't agree. He is best when stunting and being moved across the LOS. When he comes around the edge QB is tempted to move into that open gap and potential passing lane. It's a lure. The LBs need to cover the passing lane or shoot the gap
Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Author Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) I know it's so late in the year. Is he worth trying to shift around to mess with Brady's head and any future opposing QB? Edited December 19, 2017 by Real McCoy
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) As a pass rusher, tryingto run the wheel is often unsuccessful. If you watch on the many times he passes too deep behind the QB, it is likely a result of a poor bend/dip. Those excellent edge rushers are able to shorten the corner by getting underneath, or going through, the outside shoulder of the tackle. Next time you see this play, look for the method of attack(dip or bull), and it's location (outside shoulder). If Jerry will continue to use the wide speed rush, and simply try to run around them, I don't see.much success. He.will have to develop a much more competent inside move. I'm just not sure McD wants them breaking contain that way Edited December 19, 2017 by EmotionallyUnstable
Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Author Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: I don't agree. He is best when stunting and being moved across the LOS. When he comes around the edge QB is tempted to move into that open gap and potential passing lane. It's a lure. The LBs need to cover the passing lane or shoot the gap Kinda what I'm feeling now as well.
3rdand12 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Real McCoy said: I know it's so late in the year. Is he worth trying to shift around to mess with Brady's head? Brady releases the ball too fast for that imho. I think Frazier palsy a fairly simple defense that really loves the zones as Sean does 1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: As a pass rusher, tryingto run the wheel is offense unsuccessful. If you watch on the many times he passes too deep behind the QB, it is likely a result of a poor bend/dip. Those excellent edge rushers are able to shorten the corner by getting underneath, or going through, the other side shoulder of the tackle. Next time you see this play, look for the method of attack, and it's location. If Jerry will continue to use the wide speed rush, he will have to develop a much more competent inside move. I'm just not sure McD wants them breaking contain that way Good points. He just looks too small this year to turn the tackle and drive him. as Real McCoy displayed. the quick twitch inside move is better suited. 3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Kinda what I'm feeling now as well. Lot to look at this year in how the Defense is designed. Good fun though !
Jauronimo Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: We really need him to step up big these remaining 2 games. Since Mario and Schwartz left he has declined way too much for what he is making. I was hoping the last 2 years were on Rex but under McD it's actually looking worse without the mid Dline push into the QB. 14 sacks in his last 46 games is nothing to be all that excited about. He runs a damn giant circle around the QB every play and has not recorded a sack since week 4 this year. I know we are in the middle of a playoff run right now. Asking fans, what is the deal with this guy and can he be coached back to 2014 form? He's slotted to make 10mill 2018 and 19. Do we move on with the 2018 out (5.8 mill dead cap hit) in his contract and sign someone new in FA? He's been taking the Ol'Maybin Trail now that worthless Dareus isn't here to occupy two blockers and help generate some real push in the middle. This is the worst D-Line we've had since Jerry got here. Our D-line used to go hunting and kill 1,250 pounds of meat when all we could carry was 80. Now its grueling pace and meager rations. Pretty sure Jerry died of dysentery in week 8. 2
BuffaloMatt Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Jerry Whose gonna sack Brady! That's Hughes. 2
The Now Moment Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 31 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: is he really not good enough? Frazier so often has him speed rushing the LT in a semi contain. How often do you see him stunt or spin back inside? and we had Mario Williams playing for real and Dareus looking for a contract. Team game Common COACHING. He has still done stunts, I've seen them during games this year. I re-watch many games and have noticed that they just don't seem to be working like they used to.
Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Author Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: He's been taking the Ol'Maybin Trail now that worthless Dareus isn't here to occupy two blockers and help generate some real push in the middle. This is the worst D-Line we've had since Jerry got here. Our D-line used to go hunting and kill 1,250 pounds of meat when all we could carry was 80. Now its grueling pace and meager rations. Pretty sure Jerry died of dysentery in week 8. Hope we can get back to that form on the D-Line soon. I hate not getting pressure on the QB consistently. Very happy to see our secondary ball to help make up for the poor pass rush. I really feel we have the secondary to finally keep Brady in check. He just needs to be rattled now by a constant pass rush.
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