billsfan_34 Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 101 qb rating when he has a nice clean pocket 48 passer rating when under pressure there ya have it
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, corta765 said: Two things come to mind with Carr because I have thought the same thing that he was the next great thing: 1. Line play has regressed this year. They had a stat last night that in a clean pocket he has a like a 100 QB rating and with pressure its like 60% or lower. Last year the Raiders line dominated and was great, this year it has been an issue. 2. Knee Injury PTSD. Some guys can have injuries and comeback without missing a beat. Others our change for a bit, other for good. Watching Carr this year he has been far more skittish in the pocket and mentally he is just not reading the field the way he did last year. He still is a young QB and in general young QBs need to learn how to deal with pressure and hold in the pocket something he wasn't great at before injury. Mix in the fact he still is probably relearning his throws since injury and his mind looks to be a mess and yea he has sucked big time. -On a smaller note Oakland has played a far tougher schedule this year. Last year they had bad JAX, TB, HOU, middling NO, middling BAL, bad IND, & a regressed SD team. This year's schedule has had far less guarantees and the one's they should've won like BUF, DEN, & WSH they didn't. In general OAK has just been a major dissapointment Except the stats don't agree with your opinion...he has been hurried the 2nd least in the NFL this year and his line is on pace to give up fewer hurries and pressures than last year.
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 New OC, I would prefer Latavius Murray over Lynch, Crabtree is having a down year, Cooper hasn't done anything, and Jared Cook hasn't done anything. To be honest their OLine has regressed as well. Its just a bad season all around....
Scott7975 Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) Carr is still the same Carr. Difference is takeaways and not winning last minute games like last season. This is why I laugh when people say all you need is a QB. True that it is the most important piece but you need a team. Maybe 2 or 3 QBs can truly carry a team. No one is carrying a bad team. Not even Brady. Edited December 18, 2017 by Scott7975 1
Andrew Son Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 What are you talking about? Carr is great and my Sunday's are so much better now since the Raiders are better than the Bills. Signed, Chef Jim
K-9 Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 The weight of heavier expectations. Next season is the crossroads for his career. It’s all about how he responds.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Their real franchise qb is on the bench. Free EJ!!! and Carr has always been a dink and dunker but he would hit big throws. Now, they don't really take deep shots and I don't know what happened to Cooper and Crabtree. Combine that with a crappy D, it puts that much more on Carr.
Bing Bong Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The line has been significantly worse than last year, the play calling has as well.... but Derek Carr has been bad in too many games. I think there might be a mental hangover from the injury. Physically he looks fine but he is seeing ghosts... he is suddenly very skittish in the pocket and the ball isn't coming out as quickly unless it is a quick hitter to a back or tight end. He seems to have lost his confidence standing in there and throwing down the field. he's had some rough injuries since the end of last year. Quarterbacks have bad years, I expect him to rebound at some point. I thought Bortles was given a bad rap after his horrible year last year as well. Look at Dak this year, he's basically been Tyrod (who's had his worst career year as well IMO). It's a combination of injuries, talent surrounding quarterbacks, and just having your head in the right place. Quarterback has to be one of the toughest jobs in team sports mentally. I've always had a preference for veterans who have at least shown they can play at that kind of pressure for a year or two, than throwing in an unproven rookie mid year to see what sticks.
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2017 Author Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: he's had some rough injuries since the end of last year. Quarterbacks have bad years, I expect him to rebound at some point. I thought Bortles was given a bad rap after his horrible year last year as well. Look at Dak this year, he's basically been Tyrod (who's had his worst career year as well IMO). It's a combination of injuries, talent surrounding quarterbacks, and just having your head in the right place. Quarterback has to be one of the toughest jobs in team sports mentally. I've always had a preference for veterans who have at least shown they can play at that kind of pressure for a year or two, than throwing in an unproven rookie mid year to see what sticks. I rarely watch the Jags play but I feel like Bortles is benefiting from not always having to play from behind anymore. I still think he’s relatively mediocre but he’s certainly capable of winning in the playoffs with that defense and running game. When the rest of his team was bad it was all on his shoulders and he’s not good enough for that. OTOH I had thought Carr was in the second category and he could will his team to victory no matter what, like Russ (except yesterday), Rodgers, Ben, Brady etc - not looking that way. Edited December 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio
Bing Bong Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I rarely watch the Jags play but I feel like Bortles is benefiting from not always having to play from behind anymore. I still think he’s relatively mediocre but he’s certainly capable of winning in the playoffs with that defense and running game. When the rest of his team was bad it was all on his shoulders and he’s not good enough for that. I agree with all that. I just think we forgot about his performance 2 years ago. We can gripe about garbage time statistics, but how can you take that away from him? 35 TDs, 4500 yards, put him on a team where he's not carrying the load and he's good enough. There's probably 15-20 quarterbacks that can do that with a team like the Jags, why do some here insist that's a bad way to build a football team? Dak, Carr, Bortles, Tyrod would all bounce back with a team like that.
Misterbluesky Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I also wonder after he got that huge contract - will they be able to pay both Cooper and Mack? Both will want to break the bank. With kyle calling it a day and Glenn most likely getting the boot?...I wonder we could afford Mack..he loves buffalo.
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2017 Author Posted December 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: With kyle calling it a day and Glenn most likely getting the boot?...I wonder we could afford Mack..he loves buffalo. Would be epic
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Would be epic ...Raiders already picked up his 5th year option at $13.8 mil for 2018.............
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2017 Author Posted December 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Raiders already picked up his 5th year option at $13.8 mil for 2018............. We are talking beyond the 5th year, he will need to be signed at some point to an enormous Von Miller type deal .
rodneykm Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Even an elite QB will be exposed more often than not behind a weak offensive line. A strong offensive line, in my opinion, can make an average QB look extremely solid.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 @Chef Jim started rooting for him. Sorry, derek.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: We are talking beyond the 5th year, he will need to be signed at some point to an enormous Von Miller type deal . ...my apology.......thought it was 2018.........Von money would be the minimum.....at least you have until FA 2019 to get cap in order, draft wise in 2018 with potentially starters at reasonable rook money as well as knowing 2019 draft position...so the stars COULD align............ Edited December 18, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Kelly the Dog Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 There are only 2-3 great franchise quarterbacks on planet earth. It's an extremely hard position to play well for an entire season, and way harder than that to be consistent. There are only about 4-5 other players that are consistently good. There are 4-5 that people call franchise QBs but it's all based on potential or draft slot or one great season. This just in, being a real "franchise QB" for a few seasons in a row let alone several doesn't happen all that much. And you need to have very good receivers, a very good line, the ability for your team to run, and very good coaching all at the same time. 1
Fadingpain Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I thought he was going to be the next great franchise QB in the league. Looked like a superstar in the making. This year he’s been pretty bad. Can’t blame the offensive talent around him. Raiders spent heavy on OL, brought in Lynch, jared Cook, Coradalle Patterson in addition to Cooper and Crabtree. Their defense has been less than strong but the great QBs should overcome that. There are games where he’s been a liability. What happened? Coaching? Or he’s just not that good? Regressing to the mean.
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