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This irked me a bit. In the end it didn't matter since we scored a TD anyway, but Tate missed a golden opportunity.

 

When a kickoff is bouncing toward out of bounds, Tate should have put one foot out of bounds before playing the ball. That would create a penalty on Miami and would have given us the ball on the 40. Instead Tate only got to the 19. 

 

I know the Patriots pulled that BS on us before.  That is the rule, isn't it, or does it only apply to New England?

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4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

This irked me a bit. In the end it didn't matter since we scored a TD anyway, but Tate missed a golden opportunity.

 

When a kickoff is bouncing toward out of bounds, Tate should have put one foot out of bounds before playing the ball. That would create a penalty on Miami and would have given us the ball on the 40. Instead Tate only got to the 19. 

 

I know the Patriots pulled that BS on us before.  That is the rule, isn't it, or does it only apply to New England?

 

I dont think that is how the rule is applied 

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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

I dont think that is how the rule is applied 

 

It is for the Patriots. Do you not remember the "unconcious fumble recovery" of 2003?

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I remember the play you're talking about. It's an illegal procedure penalty against the kicking team, same as kicking the ball out of bounds. I wouldn't be surprised if Tate wasn't aware of it though.

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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

It is for the Patriots. Do you not remember the "unconcious fumble recovery" of 2003?

 

And i am pretty sure in 14 years that ruke changed 

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I thought the ball was going OB anyway and was wondering why he didn't just let it go. But in the moment I'm sure you don't want to chance that Miami gets to the ball before it bounces out.

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I mean, he's sprinting from 25 yards away to recover a live ball with 11 guys running full speed at him.  It's a snap decision to make.  Hindsight is always 20/20.

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3 minutes ago, Klapaucius said:

I remember the play you're talking about. It's an illegal procedure penalty against the kicking team, same as kicking the ball out of bounds. I wouldn't be surprised if Tate wasn't aware of it though.

 

Are you sure. I think that rule was changed 

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Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Are you sure. I think that rule was changed 

 

If it's been changed since that game, than I am wrong. I remember the play very well, likely because I was pissed off. I haven't read anything about a rule change, but I don't really follow kick off procedure too closely.

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2 minutes ago, Klapaucius said:

 

If it's been changed since that game, than I am wrong. I remember the play very well, likely because I was pissed off. I haven't read anything about a rule change, but I don't really follow kick off procedure too closely.

 

Yeah i am not 100% sure on the rule either. So guess I am not 100% sure if been changed but with the overhaul on KO makes me wonder about a play cited from 2003

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13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

This irked me a bit. In the end it didn't matter since we scored a TD anyway, but Tate missed a golden opportunity.

 

When a kickoff is bouncing toward out of bounds, Tate should have put one foot out of bounds before playing the ball. That would create a penalty on Miami and would have given us the ball on the 40. Instead Tate only got to the 19. 

 

I know the Patriots pulled that BS on us before.  That is the rule, isn't it, or does it only apply to New England?

 

I believe the team that pulled this stunt on us was the NY Jets. (Confirmed: Leon Washington Week 8, 2008)  I was furious when they called it back then and was shocked to find it a legit call.

Not sure if this video is correct, as it wont load here at work: http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/2008-Week-15-Jets-vs-Bills---Leon-Washington/276f4a91-79d0-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9

 


I was thinking the same thing when I saw the kick on Sunday and was upset Tate didn't pull the same stunt.

 

I haven't heard any reference to that rule being changed.

The previous definition if a player is out of bounds and touches the ball it is ruled out of bounds at that point of contact.

 

This rule was still valid last season:

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/packers-take-advantage-of-ridiculous-nfl-rule-to-magically-make-kickoff-go-out-of-bounds-092516

 

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If so, a major mishap by Tate and one has to wonder if the ST Coach even knows about it.  I know it's a "snap judgment," but returning kicks is this guys job.  He should have it ingrained in him what to do in that situation so that it would be habitual.  

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Looked up the rule on NFL.Com and it draws "opinion" into the definition of "touched" when reading #6. Unfortunately, there is no dates on changes to the rules to tell if this is a new addition to the rule book.

 

According to the Rulebook at NFL.com:

 

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Digest of Rules Main

 

Kickoff

  1. In addition to a kickoff, the other free kick is a kick after a safety (safety kick). A punt may be used (a punt may not be used on a kickoff).
  2. On a safety kick, the team scored upon puts ball in play by a punt, dropkick, or placekick without tee. No score can be made on a free kick following a safety, even if a series of penalties places team in position. (A field goal can be scored only on a play from scrimmage or a free kick after a fair catch.)
  3. A kickoff may not score a field goal.
  4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.
  5. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
  6. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines and is touched last by receiving team, it is receiver’s ball at out-of-bounds spot.
  7. If the kicking team either illegally kicks off out of bounds or is guilty of a short free kick on two or more consecutive onside kicks, receivers may take possession of the ball at the dead ball spot, out-of-bounds spot, or spot of illegal touch.
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28 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

I dont think that is how the rule is applied 

 

Jets did it to us. Leon Washington back in the day.  

 

This rule is the reason tolbert's fumble recovery was reviewed.  If Tolbert recovered OOB, then ball = OOB.

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