NRC Talks Rex Ryan and What Went Wrong in Buffalo with Tyler Dunne

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Thank McDermott for that.

 

Terry and Kim believed in Rex. 

 

Rex was a great salesman of himself

Edited December 16, 2017 by matter2003

[The Frankish Reich]

More than anything else, it just seemed that Rex was mentally checked out during his time in Buffalo. Maybe at the very start he was motivated. Maybe. But by season 2, he just wasn't putting in the time or effort, doing things like going to Clemson to hang out with Rob and the kid.  So you take away the overplayed defensive genius stuff (was the scheme too complex? was he too uninterested to communicate it well? had the league figured him out? was the talent missing to pull it off? probably all of the above) at the start, and then take away his only other attribute - the ability to relate to players one on one - and you're left with nothing.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Rex was a great salesman of himself

 

....wait 'til his Smuckers Toe Jam hits your grocers' shelves.....enjoy that on your morning bagel with a sip of snake oil...cheers!...........

[Kirby Jackson]

36 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You really think we had the 28th worst defense in 2016? 19th by yards 17th by points allowed?

Yes, which is why gross stats are useless. When you factor in the situation more of the story gets told. 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Thank McDermott for that.

 

Terry and Kim believed in Rex. 

Yeah, why bring back Tyrod when we could have signed Brady or Rogers.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yes, which is why gross stats are useless. When you factor in the situation more of the story gets told. 

as much context as you can apply>improves decoding statistics.

 

eye test plus stats= more full understanding of the ebb and flow a game day brings?
reviewing games/game tape  is awesome as well. you can focus in on details as many times as you wish.
 

Thanks Kirby

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yes, which is why gross stats are useless. When you factor in the situation more of the story gets told. 

I do not believe gross stats are useless, in fact I use them all the time in conjunction with other more complicated statistics I happen to like. If that makes me unsophisticated in your eyes then so be it. I maintain that the view you appear to hold suffers from many of the same problems sites like PFF and DVOA/QBR and other similarly constructed subjective analysis do, namely improper context and 'prisoner of the moment-itis'...chief among them the popular 'Rex Ryan+Bills defense=Disaster' narrative that (in 2016 at least) was overblown to the point of absurdity . 

 

Do you take issue with the teams I listed above as being qualitatively worse on defense in 2016 than the Bills? If not, how do you reconcile DVOA's 28 ranking? 

[Captain Murica]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hated Rex and glad he is gone.  But last year's defense wasn't as rock bottom awful as some posters wanted to suggest.  It was slightly below average.

They had individual rushers run for 200+ yards 3 times. Two of those came from the same back. They were ****.

[dulles]

Fascinating stuff from NRC.  How soon till Rex has an unsolicited opinion about NRC on TV?

[3rdand12]

16 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

They had individual rushers run for 200+ yards 3 times. Two of those came from the same back. They were ****.

Can we name the rushers who embarrassed the Bills ?

 Ajayi

 Bell

 who was the third..

 

Stats be damned

 The reason Bills defense sucked was blown assignments due to poor communication. and then execution. and then they gave up
so honestly. They kinda sucked.

[C.Biscuit97]

24 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

They had individual rushers run for 200+ yards 3 times. Two of those came from the same back. They were ****.

You know how averages work right?  I mean we just gave up 150 yards to 90 year Frank Gore and get slapped around by the Jets and saints in back to back weeks.

 

rex sucked, let's be clear.  But the defense besides turnovers is still not good. 

[nedboy7]

Another thread about how the Bills suck.  So original. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Can’t wait for Rex’s rebuttal where he assasinates NRC character  

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I do not believe gross stats are useless, in fact I use them all the time in conjunction with other more complicated statistics I happen to like. If that makes me unsophisticated in your eyes then so be it. I maintain that the view you appear to hold suffers from many of the same problems sites like PFF and DVOA/QBR and other similarly constructed subjective analysis do, namely improper context and 'prisoner of the moment-itis'...chief among them the popular 'Rex Ryan+Bills defense=Disaster' narrative that (in 2016 at least) was overblown to the point of absurdity . 

 

Do you take issue with the teams I listed above as being qualitatively worse on defense in 2016 than the Bills? If not, how do you reconcile DVOA's 28 ranking? 

I believe that the Rex Ryan defenses were a disaster. A lot of the reason is that I saw the same guys have success in the prior scheme. When one variable is different (the scheme) and many are the same (the players) the scheme is likely the problem. It is Ockham’s Razor.

 

I didn’t see any other teams listed so I don’t know how to respond to that. In general though it is easier for me to analyze the Bills than other teams because I have a more thorough eye test than with other teams. With other teams I have some “eye test” but need the stats to support it. Bills fans (and any fans) have strong feelings about their team without a frame of reference. It is really hard for us to make comparisons to other teams when we see and read so much less about the players.

 

To sum it up I could tell that Rex’s defense sucked because I saw it and the advanced metrics supported it. I can recognize that they were bad. It’s tough for me to say they were better/worse than “y team” because I have to depend on those metrics and less on the eye test.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Rex outsmarted himself seems to fit the bill.   I really wonder what Rex would have done when he was on his a game.  such a shame they wasted 2 seasons 

 

At least they were smart enough to not keep him for all five years. They have the right coach now.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

At least they were smart enough to not keep him for all five years. They have the right coach now.

 

 

 

We'll see with the jury still out on him. 

[xRUSHx]

5 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Like a scorned lover I swear to god.......was Tyrod having sex with a loved one?

Like that YouTube video about Britney.

 

Leave Tyrod alone, waaaahhhhh

 

I guess some like this team being tied to Rex with having his QB still the leader to no playoffs. Keeping Tyrod around will not only keep Rex tied to the team it will also have McD fired by 2019. Is McD smart enough to move on from the Tyrod for the 2018 season? I sure hope so,  we will see if we have the Chan/Fitz2.0 starting all over again.

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6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is where your agenda falls woefully short and you lose credibility. They were a top 10 DVOA and scoring offense both years that Rex was here. He was a defensive coach. That’s the side of the ball that he was responsible for. They were 28th DVOA in 2016 and 28th in 2015. If you chose to blame the top 10 offenses over the bottom 4 defenses than I don’t respect your analysis. It’s cleary not objective (or right). 

This is where your agenda to prop up Tyrods stats like he is all that. Stats lie, Tyrod is not good enough just like Trent was not good enough even though wow look at those stats but posters like you will never see that just like they didnt with Trent. Trent was nothing when done with Buffalo just like Tyrod will be. Cheers to saying goodbye to Tyrod.

 

Enjoy your last week or two of the Tyrod. The end is getting closer

Edited December 16, 2017 by xRUSHx

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Like that YouTube video about Britney.

 

Leave Tyrod alone, waaaahhhhh

 

I guess some like this team being tied to Rex with having his QB still the leader to no playoffs.

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This is where your agenda to prop up Tyrods stats like he is all that. Stats lie, Tyrod is not good enough just like Trent was not good enough even though wow look at those stats but posters like you will never see that just like they didnt with Trent. Trent was nothing when done with Buffalo just like Tyrod will be. Cheers to saying goodbye to Tyrod.

 

Enjoy your last week or two of the Tyrod. The end is getting closer

So numbers lie but you don’t? You should have just taken the “L” and stayed away. Instead you elected to come back and say that the numbers weren’t true, your opinion was. That’s why no one takes you seriously!! 

Edited December 16, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[xRUSHx]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

So numbers lie but you don’t? This post just made you sound even dumber!! You should have just taken the “L” and stayed away. Instead you elected to come back and say that the numbers weren’t true your opinion was. That’s why no one takes you seriously!! 

I do not care if you do not like me. Stats lie.

You make me laugh when you think all my years of postings wanting this team to draft a good QB and move on from other teams backups that this team has been stuck in is going to make me worried  about your little rant towards me. Like it will make me care about how you feel about me...hahahahahaha

I care about my favorite team, I want a stud at QB not this dud.

 

Tyrod can not keep up with good QBs in big games, could never lead this team to big wins, only got a 300 once in 3 years and that was with a OT to get it. The guy stinks, he is not good enough. Stats lie that he is good enough, COT has proved that 2 full years of trash threads and now the light of Tyrod has come through with his 50-100 yard games. Winners win and Tyrod is no winner. Make him be a QB because we all know he cant.

 

The COT is loving life this week, Tyrod is starting it's his last shot at staying here. How many last shots does this guy get?

 

The D and STs can carry us to victory while Tyrod had 54 yards but yet the COT will be like well Tyrod threw it twice he has a rating of 100% this team needs to keep him and fire the OC. SmH

[Kirby Jackson]

21 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

I do not care if you do not like me. Stats lie.

You make me laugh when you think all my years of postings wanting this team to draft a good QB and move on from other teams backups that this team has been stuck in is going to make me worried  about your little rant towards me. Like it will make me care about how you feel about me...hahahahahaha

I care about my favorite team, I want a stud at QB not this dud.

 

Tyrod can not keep up with good QBs in big games, could never lead this team to big wins, only got a 300 once in 3 years and that was with a OT to get it. The guy stinks, he is not good enough. Stats lie that he is good enough, COT has proved that 2 full years of trash threads and now the light of Tyrod has come through with his 50-100 yard games. Winners win and Tyrod is no winner. Make him be a QB because we all know he cant.

 

I’ve been on the draft a 2018 QB train since before the 2017 draft so I don’t know what you are talking about? 

 

The topic is (another) former Rex player talking about why he failed. The players, the statistics and the eye test all support that. You need to to stop arguing facts with your opinions. Oh yeah, tell me how 300 yard games correlate to winning? Last time I checked on here 300 yard passers were roughly .500 on the year (a lower winning percentage than Tyrod). If you want to look at stats look at ones that correlate to WINNING. That’s all that matters.

 

For some reason you came here to defend Rex saying that his top 10 scoring and DVOA offenses are what held the team back. That’s wrong (of course) but you aren’t capable of talking about anything but Tyrod. Sometimes the finger should be pointed at him and sometimes it should be pointed at Rex (or whomever). You aren’t capable of analyzing the issues. It’s not always one thing. The game is much, much more complex than get a QB and nothing else matters. Ask the Colts how that works. There are a lot of factors and you only look at 1.  Rex was problem #1 for the last 2 years and you can find mounds of evidence to support that. 

 

FWIW, I have no problem with you. I bet that you are a nice guy. You are just a terrible poster. 

 

Edited December 16, 2017 by Kirby Jackson