Saxum Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So you'd rather just keep hiring shovelers? The southtowns are not only place hit by snow. Might as well move team to Austin.
PromoTheRobot Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Limeaid said: The southtowns are not only place hit by snow. Might as well move team to Austin. I'm just curious how other cold weather cities can build domes that hold up in the snow but Buffalo can't. Edited December 27, 2017 by PromoTheRobot 1
Saxum Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: I'm just curious how other cold weather cities can build domes that hold up in the snow but Buffalo can't. I'd tell you to ask Vikings but their dome collapsed. http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81cd4343/Metrodome-roof-collapses A friend who is a retired architect showed me a design which would work in Buffalo - it technically is not a dome since there is a hole in the roof but keeps most of snow off field and redirects snow along base of stadium. It does not solve the roads issue however and living in WNY for 20 years I know there is no solution.
Kirby Jackson Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 A bit of a pet peeve (but also an important distinction) can we stop using “dome” and “roof” interchangeably? I think that the last “dome” constructed may have been the Georgia Dome and it is no longer standing. Since that time, off the top of my head, we have seen “roofs” on the following stadiums: Dallas, Houston, Detroit, Indy, Atlanta, Minnesota, Arizona and soon to be Vegas. If the Bills do have some protection from the weather, it isn’t going to be some dome that collapses under snowfall!! It’s not 1984 anymore. 2
simpleman Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 On 12/19/2017 at 12:21 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: A facility with a high dollar cost should be able to host year round events to maximize usage beyond 10 scheduled Bills' games per year. Exactly how many high dollar cost stadiums around the country are returning that extra cost? And if you say there are ones that do, please share the proof that they do so. Plus it is not just the stadium. It is cost for upgrading mass transit, parking, roads and infrastructure to support those events. State and county taxpayers can not afford to support these "palaces" for a small minority of attendees and businesses that do benefit from them.
Heitz Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 10 hours ago, Limeaid said: I'd tell you to ask Vikings but their dome collapsed. http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81cd4343/Metrodome-roof-collapses A friend who is a retired architect showed me a design which would work in Buffalo - it technically is not a dome since there is a hole in the roof but keeps most of snow off field and redirects snow along base of stadium. It does not solve the roads issue however and living in WNY for 20 years I know there is no solution. The new Vikings stadium is super impressive - the roof is a double wall thin membrane that they can pump air through to knock off snow and ice. I had a little tour this summer and got to check out a few of the panels in their office, cool stuff. http://www.vikings.com/news/new-stadium/article-1/Innovative-Roof-Makes-US-Bank-Stadium-Lighten-Up/472f5cb5-d803-4dba-8541-3e6c9c6f4f3a "clear is the new retractable" 1
stevewin Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 This is actually badly needed. Past number of years we have switched to club seats to make the game day experience better for my senior citizen Dad, and we always say hey we'll hang out and have a drink in the lounge this year - but every time it is just a nightmare of congestion and not worth it
PromoTheRobot Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, simpleman said: Exactly how many high dollar cost stadiums around the country are returning that extra cost? And if you say there are ones that do, please share the proof that they do so. Plus it is not just the stadium. It is cost for upgrading mass transit, parking, roads and infrastructure to support those events. State and county taxpayers can not afford to support these "palaces" for a small minority of attendees and businesses that do benefit from them. Speaking of proof, you throw around a lot of what-ifs without much proof of who is paying for what.
Just Jack Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 Syracuse Carrier Dome has been holding off the snow since 1979, and it’s construction was the same as the old Vikings stadium. Though they are switching to a solid roof within the next few years. But back on topic, I’m looking forward to the club renovations. 2
BigDingus Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 I don't get why everyone thinks a covered stadium has to cost billions. Unless taxes & construction are just that high in NY, we've seen quite a few teams build non-billion dollar covered stadiums. Maybe with inflation it could creep up there, but even then there are some built for under a billion.
May Day 10 Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: A bit of a pet peeve (but also an important distinction) can we stop using “dome” and “roof” interchangeably? I think that the last “dome” constructed may have been the Georgia Dome and it is no longer standing. Since that time, off the top of my head, we have seen “roofs” on the following stadiums: Dallas, Houston, Detroit, Indy, Atlanta, Minnesota, Arizona and soon to be Vegas. If the Bills do have some protection from the weather, it isn’t going to be some dome that collapses under snowfall!! It’s not 1984 anymore. We are going to build a dome with astro-turf 2
simpleman Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Speaking of proof, you throw around a lot of what-ifs without much proof of who is paying for what. "Exactly how many high dollar cost stadiums around the country are returning that extra cost? And if you say there are ones that do, please share the proof that they do so. Plus it is not just the stadium. It is cost for upgrading mass transit, parking, roads and infrastructure to support those events. State and county taxpayers can not afford to support these "palaces" for a small minority of attendees and businesses that do benefit from them. " I don't throw around what ifs. If you think that the taxpayers don't pay for infrastructure, roads, mass transit, sewer, water then who does? Exactly who do you think pays for them? And exactly how many current NFL stadiums are currently not subsidized by the taxpayers? If you call those what ifs, I can't help you. If you want a high end "palace", then build it without taxpayer support or incentives, that is a true free enterprise in action. I would gladly cheer on your expenses and efforts to build it as extravagantly as you desire. Someone who tries to throw off a question by asking more questions is a sign that someone is unwilling to answer the tough questions by trying to avoid them. I'm still waiting for you to answer the first question, what high end stadiums are there that generate more taxpayer benefit and income than the taxpayers have invested in them? Please answer the questions instead of trying to dodge them.
RevWarRifleman Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 Renovate again? They just got done. This stadium has had more face lifts than Joan Rivers!
Just Jack Posted December 27, 2017 Posted December 27, 2017 23 minutes ago, RevWarRifleman said: Renovate again? They just got done. This stadium has had more face lifts than Joan Rivers! Not the clubs, they're the same as they were when they were first put in about 20 years ago. 1
Starr Almighty Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 I wonder if this is about the current renovation or a new stadium
PromoTheRobot Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) On 12/26/2017 at 11:10 PM, Limeaid said: The southtowns are not only place hit by snow. Might as well move team to Austin. No, but it's a statistical fact the Southtowns get far more snow that the city or other suburbs. Edited March 29, 2018 by PromoTheRobot
PromoTheRobot Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) On 12/27/2017 at 4:16 PM, simpleman said: "Exactly how many high dollar cost stadiums around the country are returning that extra cost? And if you say there are ones that do, please share the proof that they do so. Plus it is not just the stadium. It is cost for upgrading mass transit, parking, roads and infrastructure to support those events. State and county taxpayers can not afford to support these "palaces" for a small minority of attendees and businesses that do benefit from them. " I don't throw around what ifs. If you think that the taxpayers don't pay for infrastructure, roads, mass transit, sewer, water then who does? Exactly who do you think pays for them? And exactly how many current NFL stadiums are currently not subsidized by the taxpayers? If you call those what ifs, I can't help you. If you want a high end "palace", then build it without taxpayer support or incentives, that is a true free enterprise in action. I would gladly cheer on your expenses and efforts to build it as extravagantly as you desire. Someone who tries to throw off a question by asking more questions is a sign that someone is unwilling to answer the tough questions by trying to avoid them. I'm still waiting for you to answer the first question, what high end stadiums are there that generate more taxpayer benefit and income than the taxpayers have invested in them? Please answer the questions instead of trying to dodge them. LOL, you point a finger at me for asking questions and then you just did the same! You bring up a lot of things like transit, sewers, etc without knowing exactly what has to be done for a new stadium. You just assume it's a fortune and taxpayers will pay for it. To my best knowledge there hasn't been a fully privately funded stadium. Gillette in Foxboro was fully paid for by Krafty Bob but the state paid for the highway improvements. So yes, Joe Taxpayer picks up part of the tab. But the other side of the equation is how much return on investment there is. Governments factor that in. If they spend $100 million in infrastructure but earn $300 million in economic benefits over the life of that investment, then it pretty much is worth doing, no? Edited March 29, 2018 by PromoTheRobot
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