Cripple Creek Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Could be negotiated and agreed upon 1 week prior to league year (legal tampering period), then have paperwork filed on first day of league year. How does signing bonus work? He doesn't belong to Washington so they have to sign him...how does a signing bonus work with the cap? Do they with Buffalo's approval sign him to a contract that lays out a bonus for after he is traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...logic says yes versus 34 mil....then again, you're talking about Boy Danny Snyder and His Gang of Misfits, so ANYTHING is possible.... True. I misspoke. Types of tags (I just found out, do not matter). If the Redskins tag him with any type of tag it's a 44% bump. You can tag a 4th time for another 44% bump. Still Snyder though, ha. 6. No non-quarterback will be tagged more than twice. Former Seahawks tackle Walter Jones once spent three straight years under the franchise tag, pocketing a total of $20 million and then signing a long-term deal that paid him $20 million more guaranteed, back when $20 million was a very big deal for NFL purposes. Jones rolled the dice on bearing the injury risk for the three franchise years, and he won. Most players prefer the certainty of a long-term deal. That’s why the 2006 CBA changed the formula to pay a non-quarterback the quarterback franchise tender if he’s tagged a third time. Quarterbacks are protected, too. In the third year of the franchise tag, they get at least a 44-percent raise over their cap number in the prior year. 7. Arguably, no player can be tagged more than three times. Last year’s grievance filed by Saints quarterback Drew Brees established that, if a player is tagged once by two different teams, it counts as being tagged twice. Which would have entitled him to a 44-percent raise in 2013, if he had played under the franchise tag last year for the Saints. (He was tagged in 2005 by the Chargers.) Based on the language of the CBA, there’s an argument to be made that no player may ever be tagged more than three times during the course of his career. Of course, tagging a player a fourth time would entail paying out a second 44-percent raise one year after paying out an initial 44-percent raise. Which would make it highly unlikely that any team would ever want to use the tag more than three times. Where is Bumbles when we need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Every time you tag the previous years pay goes up. 24 million + 20% = 28.8 million If they use the exclusive again its a 44% bump. If the Redskins tag him it will be the 3rd. Cousins will be a FA the year after no matter what. That $24 was the price for the nonexclusive tag. The one with a right to match any offer. They do not have to sign Cousins and if they do who would want to throw away 30 mil? Oops sorry I misremembered. Edited December 21, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Here is a couple scenarios. Washington franchise tags cousins. They then allow him to seek a trade. Deion Branch and the patriots did something similar years ago. Bills and cousins agent work out a long term deal while the redskins and Bills work out a trade. Signing cousins outright if he were franchised is also possible and would cost 2 1st round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: How does signing bonus work? He doesn't belong to Washington so they have to sign him...how does a signing bonus work with the cap? Do they with Buffalo's approval sign him to a contract that lays out a bonus for after he is traded? Signing bonus is a signing bonus so when he signs the contract he gets the signing bonus. They then could give him roster bonuses paid every year he is on the roster at start of season. More than likely they will tag him and he will wait to sign it until it is advantageous for him. It can go some weeks into season. Not clear how many. Meanwhile Redskins must keep all salary for the tag available per NFL rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/10/31/16579942/kirk-cousins-2018-free-agency-washington-49ers-jimmy-garoppolo While another franchise tag or a transition tag is probably off the table — it’d cost around $35 million to tag him for a third straight season — don’t count out Cousins staying put. The 29-year-old is once again near the top of the league in passing yards, completion percentage, and passing touchdowns. Washington doesn’t have an heir apparent at quarterback, either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/10/31/16579942/kirk-cousins-2018-free-agency-washington-49ers-jimmy-garoppolo While another franchise tag or a transition tag is probably off the table — it’d cost around $35 million to tag him for a third straight season — don’t count out Cousins staying put. The 29-year-old is once again near the top of the league in passing yards, completion percentage, and passing touchdowns. Washington doesn’t have an heir apparent at quarterback, either. Nice. Thanks Shady. Didn't hear anything about "king's ransom" trades. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) Redskins have NO LEVERAGE in this deal. There is almost no way for them to extract value from cousins after tagging him twice. There is NO UPSIDE in negotiating with cousins agent, agreeing to a deal, having him sign that deal in washington and then trading for him. If cousins wants to come here, just do the same deal as a free agent. If he doesn't, screw him. Why would he want to make the team he's going to join trade away lots of picks? This proposition makes NO SENSE to anyone with any amount of common sense. It is a completely asinine scenario. and if it really happens the front office is clueless. Edited December 21, 2017 by PirateHookerMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 So why would the Bills have any interest in a player who has already been tagged twice, giving up draft picks and a lot of money in the process. Even if a deal can be worked out and therefore no third tag by the Redskins, that 44% increase still applies to any further tags down the road if I read things right. So if the Bills sign him to a contract, what's to say Cousins wouldn't hold the Bills hostage at the end of the contract knowing it's either 1. meet his demands 2. tag him for the third time at a 44% increase 3. release him. It doesn't matter who did the tagging previously. It still would be a third tag and the 44% applies right? Seems way too costly for a QB and exactly the situation the Redskins are in with him now. The only difference would be he is a few years older by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Nice. Thanks Shady. Didn't hear anything about "king's ransom" trades. LOL No problem glad I could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, cba fan said: Signing bonus is a signing bonus so when he signs the contract he gets the signing bonus. They then could give him roster bonuses paid every year he is on the roster at start of season. More than likely they will tag him and he will wait to sign it until it is advantageous for him. It can go some weeks into season. Not clear how many. Meanwhile Redskins must keep all salary for the tag available per NFL rules. That would go against Washington's cap (wouldn't it?). Why would they do that? Edited December 21, 2017 by Cripple Creek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 There is a tag and trade scenario with Cousins that could make sense. If Washington puts the transition tag on him, which is roughly $28m (still high but a lot more manageable than $34m) another team could sign him to an offer sheet. Washington could agree to match and trade him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Don, what is in it for your source that he has no problem sharing so much confidential information knowing you are coming here to share it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: There is a tag and trade scenario with Cousins that could make sense. If Washington puts the transition tag on him, which is roughly $28m (still high but a lot more manageable than $34m) another team could sign him to an offer sheet. Washington could agree to match and trade him. Which is what I was trying to point out. There is no need for a sign and trade. DD has got it wrong. Surprised? I’m not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: That would go against Washington's cap (wouldn't it?). Why would they do that? Yes a sign bonus would go against their cap, however, if the return was two 1st and a 2nd, a 10 or 15 or 20 mill sign bonus would not be a bad deal. Of course they would like to limit that so more likely they let Kirk/Agent negotiate with other team on contract then the team negotiates compensation at which time Redskins drop the franchise tender and do a deal for less than the two 1st rounders. 7 minutes ago, Rob's House said: There is a tag and trade scenario with Cousins that could make sense. If Washington puts the transition tag on him, which is roughly $28m (still high but a lot more manageable than $34m) another team could sign him to an offer sheet. Washington could agree to match and trade him. Problem with that is if the offer sheet has a huge or any sign bonus Redskins are on the hook for that in money and cap space. That would effect compensation they would want back from team trading. Edited December 21, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Big C said: Don, what is in it for your source that he has no problem sharing so much confidential information knowing you are coming here to share it? That was the whole point of my earlier post. His answer is he is going "Rogue" because he's being let go. That seems pretty lame for someone who is a professional in the NFL. I could buy it if he's a nozzle jockey at the kwik fill and his boss is a jerk so he goes "Rogue" before he's being let go, or he works in a factory and his bosses are jerks, but it just seems a little out there to believe that someone of that stature who I would assume has a good reputation throughout the league is getting even. The guy probably has been paid pretty well too over the years. Now he wants to stick it to the Pagula's and the rest of the staff at One Bills Drive? People get hired and fired in the NFL all the time. They all seem to land on their feet. Edited December 21, 2017 by RobH063 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Likely scenario: Brady retires after winning the Super Bowl. Patriots sign Cousins and continue to dominate the league. They use their Garroppolo pick to pick the next Gronkowski, in front of the Bills pick. Bills give Tyrod another shot and finish 7 - 9. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 is the 29 year old cousins that good? I don't follow him much, could go have a look but thought I would just ask with all the hype here. is he like franchise, play until 39 while leading an offense and team to winning seasons? or not? the skins pretty much stink. how does he do with this OC and conservative (some ties to rico) offense and talent? too expensive for a gap while the rookie develops? or they make a move for him and pass on a QB? he worth two first rounders? where have I heard using two first rounders on a player before? seriously, this cousins, he that good? numbers look decent. 24/9 3,366 98.8 brady 28/7 4,163 104.0 (13/4 2,314 89.1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: Redskins have NO LEVERAGE in this deal. There is almost no way for them to extract value from cousins after tagging him twice. There is NO UPSIDE in negotiating with cousins agent, agreeing to a deal, having him sign that deal in washington and then trading for him. If cousins wants to come here, just do the same deal as a free agent. If he doesn't, screw him. Why would he want to make the team he's going to join trade away lots of picks? This proposition makes NO SENSE to anyone with any amount of common sense. It is a completely asinine scenario. and if it really happens the front office is clueless. You are forgetting how clueless most NFL players are in this scenario. Even the smart ones. I have heard quotes from them stating basically "they(the team they are going to or staying with) will find a way to pay me my market worth and field a winning team talented roster. Only Brady does take less than market. All the rest ruin chance to win when they get the big deal. Shown repeatedly with Rogers Rothlesiberger Bress Wilson Eli etc etc.... all their chances for Super Bowl go in the toilet as soon as they get the big deals. Bress may be an exception this year but I would not count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 Gaines out?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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