dlonce Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 12:16 PM, Buffalomatt1027 said: Pegula has been buying up Perry street property like candy .... Between Pegula Entertainment + the city. They almost own the entire space between the arena and the casino. Also. the HSBC building in front of the arena, is up for sale + parking lots around it. HSBC is trying to get rid of that place. I have heard that building is falling apart and poorly maintained. HSBC wants to move the jobs there to the suburbs and sell. Also, Pegula is investing in a building right in that area too for the Labbott Blue Brewery, offices, and residential. THEN add in the hofbrauhaus or what ever its called near the Creamery. WHY the heck would a pretty well know german beer chain go from building on canalside (which they didnt want to pay the utilizes for) to building in the middle of no where city wise with nothing else around it? ALL signs point to downtown. Not Batavia. If Pegula wants and open air stadium and Buffalo wants a dome .... simply build a retractable roof stadium for year around usage. Bills games the roof can be open for all games with the exception of Thunderstorms and Buffalo can use the stadium year around for concerts, motocross, high school football, college football (maybe UB), and many more events. https://www.google.com/search?q=florida+marlins+stadium&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP_8aKgIrYAhVLQCYKHdKtA78Q_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=637#imgrc=W6EW6GPg02z8xM: Marlins stadium is a good example of a retractable roof stadium that works for Buffalo. The roof is completely off the field / stadium and you still get an outdoor feeling. Open up both endzones with glass with some seats like cowboys stadium to get the wind factor. BOOOOOOM problem solved. It can snow and be cold and yet close that stadium up for other events. Pegulas are changing the downtown area big time. It would take a lot of acres to cover stadium, parking and roads,unless they decide to forego tailgating and do little surface parking,which I highly doubt. The stadium would probably use up about 15-20 acres,then add in parking and other entertainment Pegula will likely build with it. I would guess there’s plenty of space to do that. I agree with downtown more so than Alabama or Batavia or anywhere outside of the metro area. It will likely be retractable for the reasons you have stated.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: several who bought in to dave from dunkirks inside info, here you go just fill in the blanks ....you are as bad azz as advertised....just wet myself..........more Depends on the way..... 1
Roundybout Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 I'm beginning to think DD is the ghost of L. Ron Hubbard.
dlonce Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 Just finished reading this thread. He certainly had a lot of defenders,oh well,it was entertaining though. He did a great job with his bs. Even cost me a phone call and my buddy doing a search of property sales.
3rdand12 Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 18 hours ago, St. Kitts Bills Cru said: As long as said Brewers Retail sells Yuengling I'm good with that. Shame we can't get it in Canada. maybe a trade at the border is in order? You bring me some Brador and Moosehead Dry i will bring you what i have left in the fridge from the case of yuengling !
Fadingpain Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, dlonce said: Pegulas are changing the downtown area big time. It would take a lot of acres to cover stadium, parking and roads,unless they decide to forego tailgating and do little surface parking,which I highly doubt. The stadium would probably use up about 15-20 acres,then add in parking and other entertainment Pegula will likely build with it. I would guess there’s plenty of space to do that. I agree with downtown more so than Alabama or Batavia or anywhere outside of the metro area. It will likely be retractable for the reasons you have stated. Go down to Key Bank Center, and start heading south down Ohio St. along the water. The whole area quickly turns to abandoned ghost town pretty quickly, and is bordered by the current arena, the Buffalo River, and the NYS Thruway. Call it "Hellhole Triangle". That is where the stadium should be and probably will go. That type of zoning is very similar to where they put Nationals Stadium in DC for the same reason: large amounts of land available on the cheap and easily purchased. Pegula could buy that entire chunk of real estate for nothing and truly convert it into his Pegulaville. On a side note: this dude lucks out and finds his way from nothing to $3 billion and change...what does he do with it? Buy 2 sports teams in Buffalo, NY and turns into a small time real estate developer...in Buffalo, NY. I guess buying a small Greek Island for himself and parking a 180' yacht there while shagging hot chicks and building his collection of 1950s and 1960s Ferraris seemed like a bad idea. Edited December 16, 2017 by Fadingpain 2
The Frankish Reich Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I really wish Dunkirk would have quantified what "increased role" meant. Anyone on here have a PM that can confirm? I heard he's handing out PM's like nobody's biz. One thing he told us: "increased role" for Webb includes a pass play. So while that would hardly be earth shattering (sooner or later your wildcat QB is gonna have to throw a pass if you have any hope of that QB draw ever working again), I flagged that prediction as the only "verifiable" one in the near term. I said "near term." Now if in 2022 I'm doing my Christmas shopping at the Batavia West Sportsplex ... 1
ColoradoBills Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Go down to Key Bank Center, and start heading south down Ohio St. along the water. The whole area quickly turns to abandoned ghost town pretty quickly, and is bordered by the current arena, the Buffalo River, and the NYS Thruway. Call it "Hellhole Triangle". That is where the stadium should be and probably will go. That time of zoning is very similar to where they put Nationals Stadium in DC for the same reason: large amounts of land available on the cheap and easily purchased. Pegula could buy that entire chunk of real estate for nothing and truly convert it into his Pegulaville. On a side note: this dude lucks out and finds his way from nothing to $3 billion and change...what does he do with it? Buy 2 sports teams in Buffalo, NY and turns into a small time real estate developer...in Buffalo, NY. I guess buying a small Greek Island for himself and parking a 180' yacht there while shagging hot chicks and building his collection of 1950s and 1960s Ferraris seemed like a bad idea. That is exactly where I think the new stadium will go. Louisiana St/Ohio St/South Park Ave triangle. There is nothing in there but a few cheap businesses that could easily relocate.
Fadingpain Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: That is exactly where I think the new stadium will go. Louisiana St/Ohio St/South Park Ave triangle. There is nothing in there but a few cheap businesses that could easily relocate. Yep. I was just "driving" around that entire area on Google Maps with the "street view" or whatever they call it. Wow. Some of the nastiest real estate you will find. Some housing, some businesses, lots of empty space, parking lots, lots where trucks are parked... You could buy the whole thing for nothing. Over time, small businesses will flock to that area and the whole area will be transformed. There was a huge amount of "nothing" around Nationals Stadium in DC for their first few years. That area is totally transformed now with "stuff" all around. It would help if we were building a baseball stadium (games all the time in a long season) instead of a football stadium (busy 8 times a year) but what the hell. Take what you can get.
3rdand12 Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Go down to Key Bank Center, and start heading south down Ohio St. along the water. The whole area quickly turns to abandoned ghost town pretty quickly, and is bordered by the current arena, the Buffalo River, and the NYS Thruway. Call it "Hellhole Triangle". That is where the stadium should be and probably will go. That type of zoning is very similar to where they put Nationals Stadium in DC for the same reason: large amounts of land available on the cheap and easily purchased. Pegula could buy that entire chunk of real estate for nothing and truly convert it into his Pegulaville. On a side note: this dude lucks out and finds his way from nothing to $3 billion and change...what does he do with it? Buy 2 sports teams in Buffalo, NY and turns into a small time real estate developer...in Buffalo, NY. I guess buying a small Greek Island for himself and parking a 180' yacht there while shagging hot chicks and building his collection of 1950s and 1960s Ferraris seemed like a bad idea. He seems a bit of an odd duck though. When he cried about purchasing the team ? I was sold. One of the few Do- Gooders left from the old school. excellent points you have made btw. Thanks for the detail. Lets hope it come to fruition and his vision of a renewed Buffalo carries forward ! I am a Fairport resident? Snuggled just east or Rochester NY. But i sincerely approve of Pegula et al , having a vision to improve the City. And even better ? executing.
ColoradoBills Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: Yep. I was just "driving" around that entire area on Google Maps with the "street view" or whatever they call it. Wow. Some of the nastiest real estate you will find. Some housing, some businesses, lots of empty space, parking lots, lots where trucks are parked... You could buy the whole thing for nothing. Over time, small businesses will flock to that area and the whole area will be transformed. There was a huge amount of "nothing" around Nationals Stadium in DC for their first few years. That area is totally transformed now with "stuff" all around. It would help if we were building a baseball stadium (games all the time in a long season) instead of a football stadium (busy 8 times a year) but what the hell. Take what you can get. I was back in Buffalo in late summer and drove around it with my 2 brothers............they both were like "We never knew this area was here"! Here is a link to play with. Just drag the stadium into that spot. https://19ideas.com/stadium/?id=1534
SectionC3 Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: That is exactly where I think the new stadium will go. Louisiana St/Ohio St/South Park Ave triangle. There is nothing in there but a few cheap businesses that could easily relocate. I think a Paladino-controlled LLC recently bought a couple of properties in that area. Maybe on Chicago St. by Conway Park. Which itself happens to be near a train line (probably a CSX line from what little I know about that stuff, but still.). And which also happens to be the perfect area for a downtown stadium.
ColoradoBills Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I think a Paladino-controlled LLC recently bought a couple of properties in that area. Maybe on Chicago St. by Conway Park. Which itself happens to be near a train line (probably a CSX line from what little I know about that stuff, but still.). And which also happens to be the perfect area for a downtown stadium. BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKBW) - Carl Paladino, CEO of Ellicott Development, and his business partner Victor Liberatori bought 201 Ganson Street Wednesday. Auctioneer Cash Cunningham from Cash Realty and Auctions sold the riverfront property for $2.17 million. The 13-acre property is right near RiverWorks and sits on over a quarter mile of Buffalo River. "We're very hopeful for things like a new stadium and that to come down here and generally into this area and I think all that will bring this area into life,” said Paladino. Ellicott Development owns Ohio Street property on the riverfront as well. Plans for that property include office and residential use. Paladino says the Ganson property will be reserved for commercial and industrial use. Good call.
Fadingpain Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 Here is an aerial view of New Orleans; "hockey" arena next to a football stadium. Gives a sense of scale. Our new football stadium would be bigger than old Superdome, but gives you an idea of how a football stadium would fit in my "Hellhole Triangle" referenced above.
Steptide Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: Here is an aerial view of New Orleans; "hockey" arena next to a football stadium. Gives a sense of scale. Our new football stadium would be bigger than old Superdome, but gives you an idea of how a football stadium would fit in my "Hellhole Triangle" referenced above. I've been to New Orleans, not for a football game, but I can only imagine the traffic and lack of tailgating a stadium like this in Buffalo would create.
Fadingpain Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Steptide said: I've been to New Orleans, not for a football game, but I can only imagine the traffic and lack of tailgating a stadium like this in Buffalo would create. The 2 stadiums are right on top of each other in NOLA. No need for it to be like that in Buffalo; there is a lot of room over in that triangle, and it could include some attempt at parking as well. However, a new football stadium in this area in Buffalo would definitely alter the nature of tailgating. Fans have to adapt and adjust, and I'm sure they will. It won't be quite the same, but then again, what in the hell is special about standing around in a giant parking lot in the middle of nowhere in Orchard Park? We can do better than that! EDIT: And it it eliminates a certain breed of fan who is ONLY at the game to get ****-faced drunk prior to kickoff in a giant outdoor party, well, I don't see that as a bad thing. Edited December 16, 2017 by Fadingpain 2
RobH063 Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 6 hours ago, Bangarang said: A cease and desist order for what? There's an internal investigation going on apparently regarding the leak by DD's friend who used to work for the Bills. DD, then posts it all on here. You think the Bills are going to allow inside information to continue to be leaked if in fact any of this is true? If true, when the Dots are connected, they will stop it.
Bangarang Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 22 minutes ago, RobH063 said: There's an internal investigation going on apparently regarding the leak by DD's friend who used to work for the Bills. DD, then posts it all on here. You think the Bills are going to allow inside information to continue to be leaked if in fact any of this is true? If true, when the Dots are connected, they will stop it. I guess they could fire the person spreading the information but I don’t think a cease and desist is going to accomplish anything though.
SectionC3 Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I guess they could fire the person spreading the information but I don’t think a cease and desist is going to accomplish anything though. It depends whether the person disseminating the information has a "muzzle" clause in his or her contract for employment. At least as interesting as the information (football stuff seems plausible; stadium stuff seems bogus) is the identity of the disgruntled leaker. "Fired" could be a lot of people - Berchtold, Whaley (who still may have contacts in the building), etc. Maybe it's someone whose termination hasn't been publicized. Maybe someone like Jim Overdorf or Russ feels marginalized. I initially thought it might be Jim Kelly or a buddy, but the hunting thing smells like a little intentional misinformation. Either way, the whole Dunkirk Dan thing has been good entertainment. We'll see whether any of the information proves to be true.
RobH063 Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: 1 hour ago, RobH063 said: There's an internal investigation going on apparently regarding the leak by DD's friend who used to work for the Bills. DD, then posts it all on here. You think the Bills are going to allow inside information to continue to be leaked if in fact any of this is true? If true, when the Dots are connected, they will stop it. I guess they could fire the person spreading the information but I don’t think a cease and desist is going to accomplish anything though. I'm looking forward to the firing of someone at One Bills Drive who tells Dunkirk Don's hunting buddy, who tells Dunkirk Don, who tells all of us.
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