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[ROONDOGG55]

4 minutes ago, klos63 said:

and how is McDermott capable of overruling Beane? Does Beane need his permission?

Look at it this way: Beane is your typical HR guy, and McDermott is the Hiring Manager. HR finds the applicants that fit the bill of need and McDermott makes the call on whether that person is the right fit for the team. So, if HR and HM disagree on a guy do you think HR would get upset that HM didn't want a guy that wouldn't gel with the other workers?

[klos63]

Just now, ROONDOGG55 said:

Look at it this way: Beane is your typical HR guy, and McDermott is the Hiring Manager. HR finds the applicants that fit the bill of need and McDermott makes the call on whether that person is the right fit for the team. So, if HR and HM disagree on a guy do you think HR would get upset that HM didn't want a guy that wouldn't gel with the other workers?

I don't think that's how it's supposed to work though. Yeah, input from the HC is important, but in the end, it's the GM's job to field a quality team, it's the coaches job to get them to win.

[ROONDOGG55]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Lets suffice it to say   I used to believe people all the time.  After looking like a complete ass for doing so, I take most everything with a grain of salt.  

 

Venture over to Off the Wall.  You'll see why my post count is so high here.    FWIW ...  I usually average 15 posts a day and have done so for decades, even before the D&C forums. 

 

25 - 30 miles   God's Country 

Yeah, really like it here. There is so much to do in all directions. More impressed with the cost of living and how close it is to higher paying jobs. Makes the commute completely worth it.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Not liking what I’m hearing about McD...doesn’t sound too bright...we finally get a GM that knows how to operate, and it turns out the HC is the one holding us back, if all this is true.

Then we are in trouble...because i think Beane is the smarter of the two.

 

..can't have the tail wagging the dog.....would think Beane is in charge at the end of the day.............

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Dunkirk Don said:

 

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Update on front office rift. As reported yesterday, bean very upset that McDermott unwilling to part with marginal players that will not be on roster next year for a third round comp pick.  A third round pick is a valuable asset. There is more to the story. On the same day we traded for Benjamin, Beane had worked out a deal to trade Glenn to Seattle for fourth rounder and Paul Richardson and at last minute McDermott vetoed the trade.  Beane knew Seattle would pay up for Glenn because they had a real need and were desperate to protect Wilson and playoff run. Words exchanged.  Beane knows now Bills may be stuck with glennn due to injury.  Glenn currently could not pass physical and Beane knows he cannot get any real value in return now from Glenn.  Word is the Buffalo brass is concerned that Glenn injury is chronic and he may never fully recover and may have to take huge cap hit and nothing in return.  On the Kansas City front.  It was reported yesterday, bills seeking player and kc in desperate need of picks.  Kc may have mortgage future.  Reid felt they were close this year but season turned on him.  Chiefs not seeking first round but second round pick.  Bills unwilling to part with either second but would package third and lower round picks.  Player not known but it is not Kelce.   Stadium location is not Batavia and no state funds are involved.  Bonds may be sold to raise revenues.building to start in 2022 with opening in 2024.  New era college bowl game real possibility 

 

You know, I was kinda glad when (for a while) the leaks stopped.  I didn't think they were a good look.  If any of this is legit, someone needs to call a freakin' plumber to OBD.

1 hour ago, nucci said:

So who is the GM....Beane or McDermott? This is why you hire a GM first and let the GM pick the coach...If McDermott is overruling Beane this team is in trouble.

 

Whoever is in charge, if the GM wants to trade players in the middle of the season, he had best be willing to listen to the coach, or the team is in trouble.

[YoloinOhio]

I would recommend keeping this type of thing to PM.  Just my two cents!

[ROONDOGG55]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

I don't think that's how it's supposed to work though. Yeah, input from the HC is important, but in the end, it's the GM's job to field a quality team, it's the coaches job to get them to win.

This is also true, but how effective would a team be if you didn't want a certain type of player on the field? Not saying that was the situation that we are discussing, but you can't have a guy fielding players, or taking players at will. There needs to be a mutual agreement for their relationship to be long term and effective. If these allegations are true, then this is an example of a healthy relationship in my opinion.

[richNjoisy]

I found this:

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/21/fight-could-be-looming-over-possible-three-time-franchise-tag-limit/

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

Interesting about the Glenn trade - no trade - as many speculated that he would be gone. Also, I think at the time - unfortunately - many fans, including myself would have been upset by trading what was a blue-chip LT for a WR about to be a FA and a 4th round pick. However, in hindsight - which can't factor into the decision - it would have been best. But, I responded to a Tweet by Joe Buscaglia that it could be the Bills are essentially shutting Glenn down in hopes he can get healthy enough to be traded in Off-season.

 

I think that's what's going on with both Glenn and Miller - keep 'em in the garage, keep 'em dent free.

 

OTC speculates that Glenn's $2M roster bonuses are for being active on game day.  He has no guaranteed salary on the books next year, but of course in case of injury it would be typical for salary to be guaranteed.

 

Cap hit next year (cut or trade) $9.6M.

 

[BillsVet]

17 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

 

I’m more wary of the guy with 7,500 posts in nine months. Whatever he’s selling, I assume he buys pixels by the barrel. 

 

That's not bad compared to the precious few who are known to post more than one hundred times a day.

 

15 minutes ago, klos63 said:

and how is McDermott capable of overruling Beane? Does Beane need his permission?

 

The GM doesn't report to the HC or vice versa. They work together and I have no doubt there are frequent personnel disagreements.

 

GM's are planning for the future and HC's want to win now. Sometimes those perspectives run contrary to each other, like when the GM knows this team is closer to being a rebuild and the coach can't go that route because he's under the gun now to win. It sounds like Beane is trying to pull McDermott to rebuilding more and accumulating picks to do so by dealing away Glenn.

 

Coach McD, at the trade deadline, had a 5-2 team, so I can see he was unwilling to let another quality player like Glenn out the door for a pick who doesn't help him win.

[CountryCletus]

19 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Dunkirk Don be like....

Well would you lookie there.... an Asian Carp caught on a baited hook.... #mythbusted

[HappyDays]

Dunkirk Don what are the staff's thoughts on Shaq Lawson?

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

But to be fair, you can have a heavy disagreement and not necessarily "fall out"....as in irreparable damage to the relationship. Maybe it is, maybe it's not....if it's two reasonable men, you can have a strong disagreement, stew for a day or two and move on....

I agree with this. My boss and I have huge disagreements all the time. 20 mins later were fine. 

 

A 4th and Richardson for Glenn. That's tough. Didn't the texans get a 2 for brown?

 

I would love to keep Cordy but I too think his feet aren't going to get better

[YoloinOhio]

The comp pick thing is annoying. People may not love Holmes, Ducasse, Dimarco and Davis but they needed to cut three of them by week 10 to get the comp pick. Dimarco has the famous bad play in LA but he’s the only FB on the team and he’s part of the offense and run game. People may hate Ducasse but John miller has been hurt. He’s the other RG. Davis is now having to start with Shaq out and playing very well. Holmes is out there in place of KB when he’s hurt (all the time). You may think it’s easy to slot in guys off the street or PS players for depth but it’s not. These guys spent all offseason and season with the team and know what they are doing. To get rid of 3 of them mid season for a late 3rd in a draft where you are already rich with picks and still trying to make the playoffs would be weird for this team that already is thin in the depth dept imo. If it was just one, that’s different. Jmo

Edited December 14, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They might well have disagreed on a single decision.  That is not a rift.  

 

And depending upon the personalities of the two and their working relationship, disagreements can involve shouting and pounding on desks and still not mean rift.

 

In the business of football, there are going to be disagreements between coach and GM.  It's part of the game.  It's (IMO) the constant magnifying glass where if (say) Whaley wanted to cut FredEx in favor of McCoy and Karlos (who did have a great rookie season) and the coach wanted to keep him, OMG OMG RIFT! Going Rogue! and it's all up in the national media.  That needed to stop, and it was good (IMO) that it did.    I repeat, someone at OBD needs to call a plumber

[Fan in Raleigh NC]

dunkirk don might be spending too much time at the falcon club

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Dunkirk Don what are the staff's thoughts on Shaq Lawson?

Please don't.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

You know, I was kinda glad when (for a while) the leaks stopped.  I didn't think they were a good look.  If any of this is legit, someone needs to call a freakin' plumber to OBD.

Before that leak freezes and out QB slips and falls. 

[aceman_16]

The OP doesn't make sense to me.So we are to Billieve that Mcd did want to give up marginal players but was totally fine with "pro-bowl" type ones like Watkins, Dareus, Gilmore (slightly different) and Darby???

[Commish]

Yeah, this has been a really tightly-run ship - for that reason I don't find it credible. If there's anything to this rumor, the leaker's going to be hunted down and fired.