sherpa Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, westerndecline said: Its already been proven for yrs with the tiny house examples Once the solar panel is put in place, u may pay for propane once a month, some type of insignificant camper lot fee, rain water sustainability, etc Ur left paying for basic maintenance of any standard living qtrs Per month rent zero or 50$ Water maybe 10$ Propane 10-20$ Electricity virtually zero maybe 50$ per month savings for maintenance This isnt even considering electic cars which would eliminate fuel cost and focus on battery efficiency U can already take a couple heavy duty car batteries and a converter to supply massive energy Random An absolutely bizarre post; the massive blanks between sentences notwithstanding. Way too much to comment on, but as a start, this nonsense of a one unit solar panel indicates gross ignorance, and it isn't the first time. As a guy who has looked at this for a long time, and it takes just a second, you don't get any kind of efficiency with a solar panel. It takes a lot of solar panels and a lot of storage capacity to hold what is realized potential. Evidently, you don't know that. 1
westerndecline Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 48 minutes ago, sherpa said: An absolutely bizarre post; the massive blanks between sentences notwithstanding. Way too much to comment on, but as a start, this nonsense of a one unit solar panel indicates gross ignorance, and it isn't the first time. As a guy who has looked at this for a long time, and it takes just a second, you don't get any kind of efficiency with a solar panel. It takes a lot of solar panels and a lot of storage capacity to hold what is realized potential. Evidently, you don't know that. Dude What solar panels are you talking about Honestly. Im curious because ive seen it work first hand, and there are thousands of ppl off grid that contradict your thoughts. Again Either youre consuming a ridiculous massive amount of energy or youre simply ideological Here man . another example among thousands of green sustainable living that has eliminated her rent, and crazy utility $ I dont know wtf fantasy land youre living in I sincerely think its ideological with u
westerndecline Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 Here man . another example among thousands of green sustainable living that has eliminated her rent, and crazy utility $ I dont know wtf fantasy land youre living in I sincerely think its ideological with u
Wacka Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 That house and lot in the SF Bay area -500K easy.
westerndecline Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, Wacka said: That house and lot in the SF Bay area -500K easy. Sf real estate is capitalism on cocaine plus red bull lol
sherpa Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, westerndecline said: Here man . another example among thousands of green sustainable living that has eliminated her rent, and crazy utility $ I dont know wtf fantasy land youre living in I sincerely think its ideological with u Do you have friends who can help you? This is another link to someone who has nothing to do with green, sustainable energy. Do you actually understand what those terms mean? Again, as your other link, she is using propane and wood. Do you get that? The void between what you post and what reality is, is vast, but here is a start. Reducing the amount of square footage you use is not "green," when you are using propane and wood to solve your heat issues. Evidently, since you've made that claim twice, this concept exceeds you. Good luck. 1
westerndecline Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) So is our disagreement just on space and lifestyles??? Will u admit this couple's cost is a virtual zero? Otherwise ur just trolling and its messageboard laughs I mean u keep saying propane and wood and thts like 25-50$ a month And thts in the winter.....(MAXIMUM) hell u can cut the wood for a whole month in an hour with a buddy Do u not get tht??? Edited December 17, 2017 by westerndecline
sherpa Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) The cost has nothing to do with whether it is green or not. Propane is not nearly as efficient as natgas, and it certainly isn't "green" nor sustainable. Burning wood is absolutely not "green," and it's an uncomfortable heat. What you have "discovered," and misnamed it minimalist, is the RV lifestyle, and it has been around for a century. The travelling woman, (the one with "Ventura Highway" in the background), is literally living in an rv in an rv park with rv electrical and water hookups. Thousands of people do it, and with far more efficient rigs than that thing she is towing around. If she was not in a park, and totally self contained, it would be called "boondocking," but she isn't. Go to http://www.irv2.com/forums and see if you recognize anything. Nothing you have ever posted in this thread backs up the claims you made in the third post of this thread, regarding how cheap green energy is. Your claim that someone threw up a solar panel and collects rain water and therefore has "no utilities" is crazy, and repeatedly throwing up links to wood burning propane users is meaningless, not green, not efficient, not comfortable and certainly not for a family. And by the way, you mentioned in your post with that link that she has "eliminated her rent." That is absolutely not true. She is paying for those RV water and 20 amp service hookups in any RV park she stays in. Guaranteed. She just didn't tell you about it. Done with this nonsense. Edited December 17, 2017 by sherpa 1
Chef Jim Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 21 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I find all taxes to be fairly invasive, so I tend toward tax structures whichat least allow the individuals consuming services to be billed proportionately. I conceded that no form of taxation is ideal, and all are onerous. The way I would implement it would be a meter reading when your car is inspected, with itemized deductions for out of state travel. When your car is inspected? What's that? I suggest you learn about how things work in all 50 before you go recommending things.
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: When your car is inspected? What's that? I suggest you learn about how things work in all 50 before you go recommending things. It's something that happens in others states which could be implemented in California, which is what is being discussed. If we're being dickheads however, I'm not dumb enough to live there so I really don't care if they replace the revenue by jacking up income taxes to 30% or more. They have income taxes in California, right Jim? You're not going to claim some sort of stupid victory through ignorance of that concept as well, are you?
/dev/null Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 17 hours ago, westerndecline said: hipster trailer trash
keepthefaith Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, westerndecline said: Dude What solar panels are you talking about Honestly. Im curious because ive seen it work first hand, and there are thousands of ppl off grid that contradict your thoughts. Again Either youre consuming a ridiculous massive amount of energy or youre simply ideological Here man . another example among thousands of green sustainable living that has eliminated her rent, and crazy utility $ I dont know wtf fantasy land youre living in I sincerely think its ideological with u I'll have to show this video to my wife and see if she'll go for that in retirement. Problem for me though is I need about a 2000sf garage with a lot of bright lights. Edited December 17, 2017 by keepthefaith
westerndecline Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 9 hours ago, sherpa said: The cost has nothing to do with whether it is green or not. Propane is not nearly as efficient as natgas, and it certainly isn't "green" nor sustainable. Burning wood is absolutely not "green," and it's an uncomfortable heat. What you have "discovered," and misnamed it minimalist, is the RV lifestyle, and it has been around for a century. The travelling woman, (the one with "Ventura Highway" in the background), is literally living in an rv in an rv park with rv electrical and water hookups. Thousands of people do it, and with far more efficient rigs than that thing she is towing around. If she was not in a park, and totally self contained, it would be called "boondocking," but she isn't. Go to http://www.irv2.com/forums and see if you recognize anything. Nothing you have ever posted in this thread backs up the claims you made in the third post of this thread, regarding how cheap green energy is. Your claim that someone threw up a solar panel and collects rain water and therefore has "no utilities" is crazy, and repeatedly throwing up links to wood burning propane users is meaningless, not green, not efficient, not comfortable and certainly not for a family. And by the way, you mentioned in your post with that link that she has "eliminated her rent." That is absolutely not true. She is paying for those RV water and 20 amp service hookups in any RV park she stays in. Guaranteed. She just didn't tell you about it. Done with this nonsense. So it is lifestyle Enjoy paying for rent and oil retard
meazza Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) Western decline has gone full gatorman Edited December 17, 2017 by meazza
sherpa Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, westerndecline said: Enjoy paying for rent and oil retard Maybe you haven't figured this out, but between the two of us, that lady is the only one paying rent, and I don't buy oil either.
westerndecline Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, sherpa said: Maybe you haven't figured this out, but between the two of us, that lady is the only one paying rent, and I don't buy oil either. She pays no rent lol Her tiny house was paid in full She pays a camper fee
3rdnlng Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 She doesn't pay rent, she pays a camper fee. That's like I paid in cash, which is almost as good as money.
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) I'm not sure why any of you are indulging this "tiny house" foolishness in a discussion about mainstream life style energy consumption and revenue replacement. "California won't need to replace revenues lost with the elimination of taxes associated with fossil fuel consumption because it's possible to live an almost cost free existence if you reside in a well insulated shed and drink rain water!" Edited December 17, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker
3rdnlng Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I'm not sure why any of you are indulging this "tiny house" foolishness in a discussion about mainstream life style energy consumption and revenue replacement. "California won't need to replace revenues lost with the elimination of taxes associated with fossil fuel consumption because it's possible to live an almost cost free existence if you reside in a well insulated shed and drink rain water!" You just don't understand. She doesn't pay rent, it's a camping fee!
/dev/null Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, westerndecline said: She pays no rent lol Her tiny house was paid in full She pays a camper fee Do the tiny house people all congregate in the same general area? That would be so hilarious seeing a hipster trailer park
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