Beth Mowins and Jay Feely Calling Dolphins vs. Bills for CBS

[sullim4]

She's what I would have expected out of a 'E' team NFL crew.  Nothing insightful, made several mistakes, lacked polish, and was repetitive.  I can't remember if she made reference to Jack Nicklaus being the grandfather of Nick O'Leary... bonus points if she didn't.  Feely was just as bad.

 

Of all the CBS crews, I prefer Harlan/Gannon.  I think Kevin Harlan is excellent at PBP and Gannon is a decent color commentator.  Romo is better but I don't care for Nantz.

[Prickly Pete]

On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 11:44 AM, Fadingpain said:

I listend to her call of the game earlier in the season with Rex, and thought her voice was a funny sounding man's voice; was quite surprised to find out it was a woman.

 

Al Michaels is starting to lose it with age; he is not what he used to be.  Not sure who the best play by play football person is these days; they are all pretty bad.

 

Romo is the best thing I've ever heard from a color guy.

 

I'm so used to garbage broadcast teams for Bills game it doesn't really matter who is doing the job.

 

 

 

They are processing her voice with a Harmonizer. It's very weird sounding. All announcers are using them, but it is really pronounced on her voice. They are trying to make her voice sound like a male voice.

 

She isn't great, but did a passable job.

Edited December 18, 2017 by OJABBA

[HardyBoy]

3 hours ago, NewCardsFan said:

She does that phony announcer voice ala Kenny Albert that gets on my nerves.

 

As for no one criticizing male announcers for mistakes, that's also not true. People on message boards have griped and called for Dick Stockton to retire for years for making mistakes. Or how about when FOX had UFCs Mike Goldberg doing games? He was so bad, and criticized so harshly, that he had a Twitter meltdown and was removed before he was due to call the Bills-Vikings game a few years ago.

 

Beth is a decent basketball announcer and good at softball, but has never been strong at football. I remember a college game a few years ago where she got into it a bit with her analyst because she kept criticizing a team for punting the ball "when it was third down." The analyst  (I want to say it was Ray Bentley) said it was 4th down more than once and she became frustrated. He was right.

Nice post, strong valid points

 

I actually preferred her doing football to basketball...don't think she talks about the game enough in basketball, but the pace lines up just right with football since nothing happens 90% of the time. 

 

I think she tries to sound like Marv Albert, which again might not be one's preference, but what was happening at the start of this thread was backing into a reason not to like her in order to validate and confirm one's initial bias.

 

I agree people complain about announcers all the time, but not in a 9 page thread with over half the post fitting the criteria above. Also, careful with the Goldberg analogy, I totally get your point and it supports your argument, but someone might force your argument on the defensive by saying that the Goldberg move was clearly a publicity stunt, are you saying the same about Mowins? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I wasn't stumped. The conclusion is clear to draw. When someone says "Even My (insert here)" says something to support a previously drawn conclusion because you know, a girl doesn't like her. So that means it's cool for all of us to not like her.

 

I'm not full of **** you just don't like what I'm saying. Which is fine. But to say I can't support what I'm saying is just wrong and simple. It's an easy dismissal tactic.

 

Or maybe I'm just giving you too much credit for being able to read into things.

 

No, you’re pretty much full of ****.

 

the voice was so obnoxiously grating that she could have offered the greatest football insight since John madden and it wouldn’t have mattered 

[nucci]

Do we really need announcers anymore....all they do is tell you what you are seeing. There's no real analysis....plus it's mostly mindless chatter. All the info you need is on the screen and the refs are mic'd. How many times did Feely mention the weather....it was a non factor yet he brought it up all game

[BeginnersMind]

7 hours ago, Jukester said:

 

 I had both my 4 and 8 yr old boys asking - why is there a lady announcer, it doesn't sound right

 

That's a sad statement. My 16 year old huge football fan daughter noted it and I told her she was the first woman in 30 years to call an NFL game. She couldn't believe it and when she asked why, I provided only the answer that many men are sexist, and will hide it in "shrill" voice and other things they don't say about men. They will pick up on her errors--the same ones men make--and magnify them. It's always hard to break the ceiling.

 

Today, I'll link my daughter to this thread. 

 

She was fine. I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Announcers all sort of flow one into the next. She made a few errors. Twice I heard McCoy for Taylor. Usually there's not a 16 page thread about it, except that she's a woman. 

 

There definitely don't need to be only men doing games. It doesn't take a man to do play-by-play. 

 

What grated on me was how awful the "Landry" tags were. They kept putting it on screen over about 8 guys. One time they actually put 5 Landry tags on the screen at the same time.Not once was it a helpful tag. Maybe we can blame that on the Mowins too. Or the camera work when Taylor threw to DiMarco at the five? Mowins clearly did an admirable job despite being surrounded by the "C" team. 

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by BeginnersMind

[Last Guy on the Bench]

7 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

It's a fair point, and you can dislike her voice and not be sexist, but what is interesting to me is why is that the go to initial response for so many people here.  Would that be the same response if that was a male announcer with essentially the same voice, or would you focus on more concrete and quantitative aspects to use as an example for the issues you have with that announcer? 

 

For what it's worth, I initially didn't like Mowins' voice when I heard her to Cuse games, but after a couple games it stopped being an issue/never was an issurle in the first place. I didn't throw a fit saying I would mute the game, like many here. I listened, got used to her, and acknowledged I had a bias which is out of my control, while not allowing myself to be a slave to those biases. I am a human being with the ability to control, supress and understand my body and mind's initial responses. I did so, and realized it was an issue of me adapting to change and once my mind and ears got used to it, I stopped noticing her voice having features that were jarring.

 

So, no you are not sexist for having that initial response, you are fair in saying that people need to chill out and listen to people's opinions that they might now agree with without summoning an angry twitter mob.

 

That said, you are sexist if you do not acknowledge that you might have some preconditioned societal biases that have been ingrained in you, and you shut yourself off from the concept that approaching it with an open mind and fighting past your initial reaction you realize you have a filter over your ears that was placed there by society...it's all about personal growth, and realizing that our intial responses are not who we truly are.

 

Thank you for being the voice of reason here. Your posts are refreshing. I doubt that many people will take in your point that our first reactions are conditioned (not just "reality" or "my opinion"). Well, they'll admit it's true for other people, just not for them. But it's nice that you are taking the time to write thoughtfully about the fact that the "it's her voice" argument is nowhere near as simple as it appears.

 

Personally, I found her decent. Easy to listen to. Some unfortunate stumbles, but what else is new? Most announcers make them regularly.  It is too bad that she kept calling Taylor McCoy, since it's easy ammunition for anyone who doesn't want to reflect on this issue with more nuance.

[ALF]

Since she is from nearby Syracuse I like her

[nucci]

Her voice didn't bother me but she made too many mistakes...though most announcers do and all Feely could talk about was the weather affecting the kicking game. He offered no insight at all. Like i said earlier...there is no longer a need for announcers...all info you need is on the screen...I don't need people to tell me what I'm seeing

[Chandler#81]

16 hours ago, blatchy said:

Here's all I can say:  I'm thrilled to be a member on here.  Want to keep it on the positive side.  But I've heard this argument for years, about her voice.  And in a performance driven industry, where results are ALWAYS the determining factor, she keeps getting bigger and bigger games.  

Agree to disagree.  

My 83 year old Mom called me during the 1st quarter to ask what I thought about her. “Fingernails scratching on a chalkboard”. Beyond her annoying voice, is a unique CNY accent. Professional sports announcers are expected to be talking heads, clearly enunciating perfect English.

i have no issue with women breaking into another ‘Man Job’. I have issues with unworthiness. 

[phypon]

11 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

My 83 year old Mom called me during the 1st quarter to ask what I thought about her. “Fingernails scratching on a chalkboard”. Beyond her annoying voice, is a unique CNY accent. Professional sports announcers are expected to be talking heads, clearly enunciating perfect English.

i have no issue with women breaking into another ‘Man Job’. I have issues with unworthiness. 

 

And that's exactly what these white knights and social just warriors can't stand (or understand).  Pretty much nobody cares that a female called the game.  It's her performance that was lackluster and her voice is simply annoying.  To those people, sorry, just because she is a woman doesn't mean she is untouchable or beyond criticism. 

 

The reason this thread is so long is because it was a female announcer.  It's only this long because of the PC people  having a problem with a female announcer being criticized.  To those posters, sorry, but she just isn't very good and is annoying.

[Cripple Creek]

She did not lessen my enjoyment of the game one iota. 

[boyst]

12 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

I had no idea Reba McIntyre did color commentary 

You leave my Reba alone!

[Chuck Wagon]

I've just heard her too much on noon Iowa - Northwestern Big Ten games.  She's fine if I want to take a nap during a game.  She's clearly lower rung when it comes to the other announcers doing NFL games.

[ddaryl]

She was solid but it took some getting used to for sure.. My wife was like "his voice sounds weird"

[BeginnersMind]

1 hour ago, phypon said:

 

And that's exactly what these white knights and social just warriors can't stand (or understand).  Pretty much nobody cares that a female called the game.  It's her performance that was lackluster and her voice is simply annoying.  To those people, sorry, just because she is a woman doesn't mean she is untouchable or beyond criticism. 

 

The reason this thread is so long is because it was a female announcer.  It's only this long because of the PC people  having a problem with a female announcer being criticized.  To those posters, sorry, but she just isn't very good and is annoying.

 

Where is the 15 page thread dedicated to Jay Feely? Who kept referring to a Bills zone blocking scheme that the Bills haven't run in the last 6 weeks. 

 

People are on her because she's a woman. Announcers screw up all the time. Hers were about par for the course for the C level announcers, which is exactly what she and her team were. 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Where is the 15 page thread dedicated to Jay Feely? Who kept referring to a Bills zone blocking scheme that the Bills haven't run in the last 6 weeks. 

 

People are on her because she's a woman. Announcers screw up all the time. Hers were about par for the course for the C level announcers, which is exactly what she and her team were. 

Sums it up well.

 

And a c level broadcast isn't terrible. Most of us would do much worse. 

 

I'd hate to imagine what giving the microphone to someone like us for 3 hours would end up as.  Only PTR has the ability, that I know of, to do this.

[plenzmd1]

3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Where is the 15 page thread dedicated to Jay Feely? Who kept referring to a Bills zone blocking scheme that the Bills haven't run in the last 6 weeks. 

 

People are on her because she's a woman. Announcers screw up all the time. Hers were about par for the course for the C level announcers, which is exactly what she and her team were. 

My thoughts exactly. He was just god awful. At one point his exact quote "Tyrod is most dangerous when he drops back" ..what????

 

Mowins was at least competent, not great, not awful..Feely was terrible

[boyst]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

My thoughts exactly. He was just god awful. At one point his exact quote "Tyrod is most dangerous when he drops back" ..what????

 

Mowins was at least competent, not great, not awful..Feely was terrible

He was right. He is most dangerous to the Bills when he drops back.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Where is the 15 page thread dedicated to Jay Feely? Who kept referring to a Bills zone blocking scheme that the Bills haven't run in the last 6 weeks. 

 

People are on her because she's a woman. Announcers screw up all the time. Hers were about par for the course for the C level announcers, which is exactly what she and her team were. 

 

Exactly. You want to compare her to

spero dedes and I would say they were the same.

 

feeley though made Solomon Wilcots look like a genius. He just repeated whatever mowins said and then threw in random

advanced stats about jay cutler throwing in 40 degree weather when being blitzed.