ddaryl Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Yeah its called testosterone. Feminists want to make having any level of testosterone illegal. absolutely the dumbest thing I've read in a while. 2
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Then you are simply ignorant of reality, rationalizing your own sexually aggressive views, or both... Fiat declarations which ignore the entire biological evolution of human beings have zero merit. Your feelings are not a sufficient substitute for normal biological imperatives.
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Honestly? He asked me out TWICE!! He touched my arm!! He walked backstage when I was naked UNDER A ROBE! He told me I looked nice!! are NOT sexual harassment. And, giving these people their 15 minutes for political or monetary gain only hurts true sexual harassment claims (such as a rape button in an office, grabbing someone's boobs while they are asleep (to me that is the creepiest one... no chance to defend yourself or tell the guy to go away)). Claims that are decades old I dismiss out of hand. He-said, she-said and let's face it, the mind does things - if you tell yourself something often enough, reality shifts. My husband said to me yesterday, "I'd hate to be trying to date in today's environment", and I couldn't disagree with him.
PolishDave Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 51 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: Some people can't handle porn, just like some can't handle guns. I think we're getting to the crying wolf stage of this sexual harassment stuff, ambulance chasers have found a new currency stream. Yep. First kill all the lawyers.
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Fiat declarations which ignore the entire biological evolution of human beings have zero merit. Your feelings are not a sufficient substitute for normal biological imperatives. Obviously he ignores the research that women are biologically driven to want to reproduce with men havign high testosterone levels. There have been numerous studies done on this in various different ways and all coming to the same conclusion. Women literally "smell" testosterone and it turns them on and there were studies done that simply "smelling" a shirt of a guy having high testosterone versus one having low testosterone was enough to have them rate a picture shown immediately afterwards several points higher or lower in attractiveness even when it was the exact same picture. Edited December 12, 2017 by matter2003
billsfan1959 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Fiat declarations which ignore the entire biological evolution of human beings have zero merit. Your feelings are not a sufficient substitute for normal biological imperatives. You seem to have a somewhat superficial understanding of biology from an evolutionary perspective, and a troubling inability to distinguish between appropriate and inappropriate behavior 1
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, billsfan1959 said: You seem to have a somewhat superficial understanding of biology from an evolutionary perspective, and a troubling inability to distinguish between appropriate and inappropriate behavior http://www.newsweek.com/men-muscles-and-money-are-more-attractive-straight-women-and-gay-men-showing-717053 https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/muscular-men-attract-women https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4892674/ https://www.predatornutrition.com/articlesdetail?cid=do-women-really-love-men-with-muscles I guess all these researchers and scientists must not know anything either...
PolishDave Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You're doing it right now. You're pathologizing hundreds of thousands of years of normal male sexuality. Men are biologically sexually aggressive. We're built that way. It's the reason the species still exists. This doesn't excuse rape, or actual assault as all people have the right to their own person; but there is no pendulum here. Yep. Study the human animal. It is totally normal for a dude to get a chub (mental or physical) when seeing an attractive female. Heck, the first thing that often enters a guy's mind when he meets a woman is "would I do her". There are plenty of threads in PPP proving it. It's friggin human nature. And it is totally normal (instinctive) for him to want to chat her up and/or show his interest in her assuming there isn't a deterrent to doing so.
billsfan1959 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Obviously he ignores the research that women are biologically driven to want to reproduce with men havign high testosterone levels. There have been numerous studies done on this in various different ways and all coming to the same conclusion. Women literally "smell" testosterone and it turns them on and there were studies done that simply "smelling" a shirt of a guy having high testosterone versus one having low testosterone was enough to have them rate a picture shown immediately afterwards several points higher or lower in attractiveness even when it was the exact same picture. It is difficult to determine what you are trying to argue when, from your posts, it is clear that you don't even know what you are trying to argue 1
suorangefan4 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 It really is ridiculous how it's only men who get in trouble for this stuff. Women do it too. Here's just a couple examples of women sexually assaulting men and nothing happening to them. https://clashdaily.com/2017/12/dear-men-female-nbc-hosts-fondle-bro-rio-sexist/ http://www.pacificpundit.com/2017/11/18/joy-behar-grabs-robin-williams-crotch-not-sexual-harassment/
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Military for 8 years, law enforcement officer for 25 years, and my wife is quite happy with my testosterone level. My views on this topic come from investigating, analyzing, and teaching for the last 35 years in regard to homicide, intimate partner violence, and sexual assault. No of this has anything at all to do with an understanding of normal biological imperatives. Men and women are different. Men are sexually aggressive and less discerning, and women are more selective and are the "gate keepers". There is a natural balance to be struck which protects everyone which is the acknowledgment and protection of each individuals natural right to be free from assault on their person. Beyond that, an attempt to pathologize normal male sexuality puts men at an incredible societal disadvantage, because you are telling roughly half the population that the way they view the world, how they interact, how they think; literally who they are, is wrong. That is incredibly dangerous, and in my view, unacceptable.
T-Bomb Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, matter2003 said: http://www.newsweek.com/men-muscles-and-money-are-more-attractive-straight-women-and-gay-men-showing-717053 https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/muscular-men-attract-women https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4892674/ https://www.predatornutrition.com/articlesdetail?cid=do-women-really-love-men-with-muscles I guess all these researchers and scientists must not know anything either... He pobably just has low T.
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You seem to have a somewhat superficial understanding of biology from an evolutionary perspective, and a troubling inability to distinguish between appropriate and inappropriate behavior You are high on feelings and light on facts, my friend.
GunnerBill Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 24 minutes ago, matter2003 said: But its cool when they walk up to you and grab your butt or your junk tho right? Or talk about what a nice ass you have to other women right in front of you, right? Or say how they want to ask HR if you can come to work with your shirt off, right? Or let you overhear how they want to rock your world, right? Seriously, where do you work where this happens? It sounds like a very unhealthy workplace. Believe me I am the poster boy for not letting women walk all over me. I have a string of 6-9 month relationships behind me because the point at which they start trying to make decisions about the way I live my life is the point when I get rid. And yet I have managed to not let women walk all over me without ever making making unwanted sexual contact with a woman or making an inappropriate sexual comment in the work place. If a woman grabbed my ass or my junk in the office or asked me to come to work with my shirt off I would let them know immediately that their behaviour was totally unacceptable and report them. 1
PolishDave Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Seriously, where do you work where this happens? It sounds like a very unhealthy workplace. Believe me I am the poster boy for not letting women walk all over me. I have a string of 6-9 month relationships behind me because the point at which they start trying to make decisions about the way I live my life is the point when I get rid. And yet I have managed to not let women walk all over me without ever making making unwanted sexual contact with a woman or making an inappropriate sexual comment in the work place. If a woman grabbed my ass or my junk in the office or asked me to come to work with my shirt off I would let them know immediately that their behaviour was totally unacceptable and report them. Wouldn't it really depend on how hot she was and whether or not you were looking for a fling? Edited December 12, 2017 by PolishDave
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Pretty soon we will be seeing tv commercials for this like car accidents and slips and falls.
suorangefan4 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Seriously, where do you work where this happens? It sounds like a very unhealthy workplace. Believe me I am the poster boy for not letting women walk all over me. I have a string of 6-9 month relationships behind me because the point at which they start trying to make decisions about the way I live my life is the point when I get rid. And yet I have managed to not let women walk all over me without ever making making unwanted sexual contact with a woman or making an inappropriate sexual comment in the work place. If a woman grabbed my ass or my junk in the office or asked me to come to work with my shirt off I would let them know immediately that their behaviour was totally unacceptable and report them. He's right. Women do it too. Look at the post I made a few posts before yours.
billsfan1959 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You are high on feelings and light on facts, my friend. Actually, my views on this topic are driven by experience, education, and training - not feelings. I am well aware of the biological underpinnings of human behavior and it does not justify or excuse real sexual assault or sexual harassment. If you cannot distinguish those behaviors from normal male sexual behaviors, then we will have to agree to disagree. 1
GunnerBill Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, PolishDave said: Wouldn't it really depend on how hot she was and whether or not you were looking for a fling? No. In fact it would put me off a woman even if I did like her if that is how she thought it was appropriate to behave in a work place. It would not depend at all how hot she is.
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: No of this has anything at all to do with an understanding of normal biological imperatives. Men and women are different. Men are sexually aggressive and less discerning, and women are more selective and are the "gate keepers". There is a natural balance to be struck which protects everyone which is the acknowledgment and protection of each individuals natural right to be free from assault on their person. Beyond that, an attempt to pathologize normal male sexuality puts men at an incredible societal disadvantage, because you are telling roughly half the population that the way they view the world, how they interact, how they think; literally who they are, is wrong. That is incredibly dangerous, and in my view, unacceptable. Exactly...I'd hate to be dating these days... In most cases relationships happen because a man ends up havign sex with a woman and they end up with strong feelings afterwards. Knowing that there is never a guarantee that you'll get another date if sex doesn't occur, guys escalate up until the point the woman shuts them down. If they don't shut them down then sex ends up happening. A man's job is to hit the accelerator and the women's job is to hit the brakes. That is how it works from a biological perspective Now many guys are afraid to do this and end up not going out with the woman again because there was "no chemistry" due to his lack of escalation which is viewed by a woman as him being "afraid" to be sexual which kills their attraction faster than possibly anything else and you end up in the "nice guy" friendzone place to a guy who does escalate. And yet now somehow the man is the one who needs to put the brakes on himself? It would be like telling a guy you have to get to a place but you have to hold down the brake the whole time...its a jacked up situation for guys that is for sure.
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