T-Bomb Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MDFan said: That's because you are an adult, capable of reasoning beyond emotion. This has nothing to do with emotion... A tie is a double whammy, miss the playoff's + a lesser value draft pick. It's not that hard guys, jeez... Edited December 12, 2017 by T-Bomb
cba fan Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, H2o said: 9-6-1 gets you the nod over a 9-7 team. He was right. We all just hated the decision at the time. 10-6 gets you in much easier with higher probability.
BillsFan130 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 59 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I'm glad McDermott doesn't have your loser mentality. lmao alright buddy. You'll see in two weeks when they get pasted against the Pats. There is difference between having a loser mentality and having a realistic mentality. Brady is 27-3 in his career against the Bills and I believe has never lost to the bills in Foxboro. But sure, tying the colts makes a lot more sense to set up a must win game against those odds against the patriots. 1 hour ago, John from Hemet said: and of course this is a certainty.....like 100 percent....because you say so How much you want to bet the Bills lose that game? I'll give you great odds even
26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 McDermott: "I'd rather win than tie, I'd rather tie than lose" (11:58) The Bills head coach has the team above .500 this season
Wayne Arnold Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: lmao alright buddy. You'll see in two weeks when they get pasted against the Pats. There is difference between having a loser mentality and having a realistic mentality. Brady is 27-3 in his career against the Bills and I believe has never lost to the bills in Foxboro. But sure, tying the colts makes a lot more sense to set up a must win game against those odds against the patriots. The Bills won the game. They didn't tie. McDermott didn't go for the tie. He went for the win. And won.
BillsFan130 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: The Bills won the game. They didn't tie. McDermott didn't go for the tie. He went for the win. And won. He said the tie wasn't a bad thing. By punting, he was not going purely for the win. Which is ridiculous on so many levels
T-Bomb Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: McDermott didn't go for the tie. He went for the win. Wow, you just said that...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: He said the tie wasn't a bad thing. By punting, he was not going purely for the win. Which is ridiculous on so many levels He said a tie is better than a loss. Which is 100% true. You know he was not going "purely" for the win by punting? This is getting absurd. I don't blame him for having more faith in his defense than his offense in perfect weather. In a blizzard? Of course he trusts his defense more. Had four minutes to pin the Colts inside the 10 and either force a turnover or get the ball back again around the same spot with two or three minutes left and a new set of downs. Again, I wouldn't have done it. But I understand it and won't kill him for it considering the circumstances.
BuffaloBill Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, T-Bomb said: A loss is better for the draft than a tie. A tie = a loss in terms of a playoff birth. Idiots, I'm surrounded by idiots! A tie does not equal a loss in terms of a playoff berth if wins are equal. Stop with your stupidity.....
BillsFan130 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: He said a tie is better than a loss. Which is 100% true. You know he was not going "purely" for the win by punting? This is getting absurd. I don't blame him for having more faith in his defense than his offense in perfect weather. In a blizzard? Of course he trusts his defense more. Had four minutes to pin the Colts inside the 10 and either force a turnover or get the ball back again around the same spot with two or three minutes left and a new set of downs. Again, I wouldn't have done it. But I understand it and won't kill him for it considering the circumstances. Here's the problem with that argument though. You're saying he didn't trust his offence which is probably true. If you don't trust your offence, why wouldn't you try to convert that 4th and 1 and then get 15 to 20 yards for most likely the game winning field goal? Opposed to stopping the Colts and then having to go a much LONGER field with the offence he doesn't trust? That right there makes no sense to me assuming he didn't trust his offence
Wayne Arnold Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Here's the problem with that argument though. You're saying he didn't trust his offence which is probably true. If you don't trust your offence, why wouldn't you try to convert that 4th and 1 and then get 15 to 20 yards for most likely the game winning field goal? Opposed to stopping the Colts and then having to go a much LONGER field with the offence he doesn't trust? That right there makes no sense to me assuming he didn't trust his offence My guess is he thought Schmidt could put the ball inside the 5 considering the ball was plugging in the snow all day. Then from there the defense could get a sack or a turnover. At the very least a three and out and maybe a special teams play could get them into immediate FG range.
Happy Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: McDermott: "I'd rather win than tie, I'd rather tie than lose" (11:58) The Bills head coach has the team above .500 this season On how much the team was able to do with the conditions:"I'd say we cut down probably about three-quarters of the game-plan and I'd venture to guess that they did the same because of the weather." This is why we need to play in Sunday's conditions more often (and no dome), you take away 3/4 of Dennison's involvement. 1
BillsFan130 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: My guess is he thought Schmidt could put the ball inside the 5 considering the ball was plugging in the snow all day. Then from there the defense could get a sack or a turnover. At the very least a three and out and maybe a special teams play could get them into immediate FG range. Ya I hear your point, but that would literally be a best case scenario outside of a turnover. I'm sure if the bills got the ball back at their own 40 after he punted there, he would have signed up for that. Which would again, meaning a longer field for his awful offence
H2o Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, cba fan said: 10-6 gets you in much easier with higher probability. But 9-6-1 gets you in over a 9-7 team is my point. They won the game. It's a dead horse everyone is beating. He made the right decision even though we don't agree with it. It worked out in the end.
Nick the Greek Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Holy ****. Are you serious? Yes man, it was utterly disgusting. He must have gotten a cold from being out in the cold yesterday. His bald ass was wearing a baseball cap as well. Why the hell wouldn’t you wear a knit cap in that snow? He’s concerned about style? God bless ya coach. Edited December 12, 2017 by Idandria 1
Wayne Arnold Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Ya I hear your point, but that would literally be a best case scenario outside of a turnover. I'm sure if the bills got the ball back at their own 40 after he punted there, he would have signed up for that. Which would again, meaning a longer field for his awful offence The last thing McDermott wanted to do was to give the ball to the Colts at the 42 with 4:00 left. No chance of a safety there and even if you get a three and out you more than likely won't get the ball back with better starting field position than the 20-25 yard line. I doubt McDermott thought the O was capable of going that far in two minutes. Granted, the offense went nearly that far to win it thanks to Thompson's catch but I don't think McDermott thought the Colts were going to get all the way to the 31 yard line after the punt. . Maybe he had too much faith in his defense.
BillsFan130 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: The last thing McDermott wanted to do was to give the ball to the Colts at the 42 with 4:00 left. No chance of a safety there and even if you get a three and out you more than likely won't get the ball back with better starting field position than the 20-25 yard line. I doubt McDermott thought the O was capable of going that far in two minutes. Granted, the offense went nearly that far to win it thanks to Thompson's catch but I don't think McDermott thought the Colts were going to get all the way to the 31 yard line after the punt. . Maybe he had too much faith in his defense. Ya he definitely was banking on that 3 and out, but never got it. To me I think it's more of a risk to punt. If Colts pick up 2 first downs, the bills season is basically over . (Barring a miracle win at New England) I don't know. I don't like it on so many levels but at the end of the day I guess they won so I promise I'll stop my bitching within the next day or two lol 1
WotAGuy Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 My take away is he lacked confidence in his offense to get one yard, and lacked confidence in his defense to keep Indy from moving from their own 41 into field goal range. So he took the ball out of the offense’s hands, pinned Indy down deep and hoped they screwed up. Which they did by missing that pass to Hilton. He was banking on a miracle and got it with that pass from Webb to Thompson.
Doc Brown Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 What worried me most about his comments is he said he'd do it again. An accurate throw to Hilton and are season is over.
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Shaw66 said: 8-7-1 isn't the issue. 9-6-1 is. 9-6-1 gets the Bills in, 9-7 probably doesn't. The only outcome yesterday that almost certainly knocks you out is a loss. A win or a tie gives you a fighting chance. Good point Shaw. I guess in my subconscience mind the Pats game is an auto loss after all these years and I didn't take the Pats game into account like coaches would.
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