Shaver Killing - Police Found Not Guilty (graphic video in link)

[Rob's House]

It's unfortunate, but this guy definitely gets the Darwin award. Why in the hell would you reach for your waist in that situation?

[Sig1Hunter]

35 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

It's Arizona. 

 

We have bigger problems in our state and who cares about some collateral damage.  The cop just happened to execute the wrong guy.  Maybe next time he'll get it right.

 

Signed,

~The voters of Arizona.

What? Are we back to being incoherent?

[row_33]

Top defence counsel is more effective than your DA or Canada’s Crown attorneys. The evidence has to be strong to stand all wiles of the D.

 

the widow has hired Mark Gerogos as her attorney and that will be interesting at the civil level as she sues

 

 

Edited December 9, 2017 by row_33

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20 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

What? Are we back to being incoherent?

You give EII too much credit by assuming he was ever coherent

[KD in CA]

WTF?  He had the guy on the ground for 4 1/2 minutes.  He was face down in the hall in the first ten seconds.  Isn't that when you're supposed to go put a knee in his back and cuff him?

 

Agree with above statement the cop was just looking for a reason to shoot.  I'm on the side of the police about 97% of the time, but this scumbag should have been convicted.

[DC Tom]

57 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

WTF?  He had the guy on the ground for 4 1/2 minutes.  He was face down in the hall in the first ten seconds.  Isn't that when you're supposed to go put a knee in his back and cuff him?

 

No, because in a hallway that narrow, anyone going down the hall would block the covering officer's field of fire.  

 

Fact is, this all comes down to the officer losing control of the situation because he was a raging !@#$, which ultimately led to the shooting.  That makes him an unbelievably unprofessional idiot who shouldn't even be delivering the mail, much less working on a SWAT team.  But being an unbelievably unprofessional idiot with a gun isn't unambiguously criminal.

[Paulus]

5 hours ago, row_33 said:

When you work on the D you pick and pick and pick away at the evidence provided, sometimes it appears to be overwhelming but we live for these cases to see how it comes out.  Getting the evidence suppressed or sealed is a major victory. 

 

And when the client is found not guilty, you just walk out of there and have a solemn press conference and move on to the next matter at hand.

 

And sometimes completely surprise results show up that make you want to reconsider your faith in everything you held sacred....

 

 

Man, I thought this post was going in a different direction.

[Paulus]

4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Are you serious?

There is a reason why they have internal affairs or inspector generals. Collusion happens less often that way. 

[Thurmal34]

46 minutes ago, Paulus said:

There is a reason why they have internal affairs or inspector generals. Collusion happens less often that way. 

 

Don't worry everyone, we have investigated ourselves, and we found out we did nothing wrong!

[Paulus]

28 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said:

 

Don't worry everyone, we have investigated ourselves, and we found out we did nothing wrong!

Yeah, there have been a few killings by cops that made me want to see the police station burn. It really sucks that just select black guys getting killed have really made the news. Hearing Kelly Thomas cry out for his father as he was being beaten to death really made me choke up. Marine Sergeant Loggins being killed in front of his two daughters made me wish to God some justice would come via a renegade vigilante Marine. I guess, Dorner did kill a couple of them, but in a Karma-like manner. One Marine repaid the favor a few fold. Black guy who was shot after telling the cop he had a concealed gun is another one, but that got news attention. This killing of a man crying and begging for his life really is infuriating. In sum, I was cheering for Dorner until the moment the cops tried to burn him to death and he killed himself.

[Sig1Hunter]

7 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Yeah, there have been a few killings by cops that made me want to see the police station burn. It really sucks that just select black guys getting killed have really made the news. Hearing Kelly Thomas cry out for his father as he was being beaten to death really made me choke up. Marine Sergeant Loggins being killed in front of his two daughters made me wish to God some justice would come via a renegade vigilante Marine. I guess, Dorner did kill a couple of them, but in a Karma-like manner. One Marine repaid the favor a few fold. Black guy who was shot after telling the cop he had a concealed gun is another one, but that got news attention. This killing of a man crying and begging for his life really is infuriating. In sum, I was cheering for Dorner until the moment the cops tried to burn him to death and he killed himself.

Cheering for a guy randomly killing people because they wore a uniform? You have a very perverted sense of "justice".

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Cheering for a guy randomly killing people because they wore a uniform? You have a very perverted sense of "justice".

 

 

The police need to hold themselves to a certain standard. Murdering a Marine father, as he finished his morning walk with his two daughters, at my old HS, ought be punished. It is justice in the way that Marines handed the OC police some retribution. At least I'd like to think God had a helping hand in delivering the justice.

 

*It is something I don't think a lot of the police apologists understand. and I am one to an extent. People, tribal or otherwise (notice how Ivanka Trump used the word "otherwise correctly and the only thing I saw in the media was how others made fun of her bc of it. Man, that bugged.), will seek justice. It is not true, it is true, but life finds a way...

 

 

 

**People are gonna sentence this guy. The social media trolls are doxing. I am really suprised at this weird form of white people riot. Seriously, if he kills himself, I wouldn't be suprised. 

Edited December 9, 2017 by Paulus

[Sig1Hunter]

6 hours ago, Paulus said:

 

 

The police need to hold themselves to a certain standard. Murdering a Marine father, as he finished his morning walk with his two daughters, at my old HS, ought be punished. It is justice in the way that Marines handed the OC police some retribution. At least I'd like to think God had a helping hand in delivering the justice.

 

*It is something I don't think a lot of the police apologists understand. and I am one to an extent. People, tribal or otherwise (notice how Ivanka Trump used the word "otherwise correctly and the only thing I saw in the media was how others made fun of her bc of it. Man, that bugged.), will seek justice. It is not true, it is true, but life finds a way...

 

 

 

**People are gonna sentence this guy. The social media trolls are doxing. I am really suprised at this weird form of white people riot. Seriously, if he kills himself, I wouldn't be suprised. 

No, it isn't justice.  In no way, shape, or form is what Dorner did justice.  

[B-Man]

WHY DOESN’T DANIEL SHAVER’S LIFE MATTER?

Most regular Power Line readers know that I don’t criticize the police lightly. I think I understand the dangers officers face when they confront suspects and need to make instant assessments of their intentions. That understanding makes me loath to condemn officers whose split second decisions produce tragic results.

 

However, the case of former Mesa, Arizona police officer Philip Brailsford is different. His killing of Daniel Shaver warrants condemnation, though he was acquitted on charges of murder and manslaughter.

 

{snip}

 

I agree with  Matt Walsh:

Had Shaver been a different shade, there would be riots in Phoenix and round-the-clock coverage on CNN. “Daniel Shaver” would be a name as famous and ubiquitous as Michael Brown and Freddie Gray.

 

But that’s not how things have worked, because the media isn’t interested in exposing police misconduct generally.

 

They’re interested in exposing racially motivated police misconduct, even if they have to fabricate it out of thin air.

 

 

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[Rob's House]

I get how they didn't convict for 2nd degree murder, but I'm having a hard time understanding how he escaped manslaughter. 

 

As dumb as it was for the guy to grab his pants (and it was dumb) there's really no excuse for how the cop put him in that position in the first place.

 

I'm not big on hindsight aided judgments of someone in a split-second life or death situation, but even trying to give the cop the benefit of the doubt, I don't see how you can justify his actions.

 

Maybe Eminem will write a song about the trigger happy cop wanting to unload his gun into that guy. Probably not, because it won't convey how "woke" he is.

[westerndecline]

22 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Cheering for a guy randomly killing people because they wore a uniform? You have a very perverted sense of "justice".

Born into the world, u have a ticket to the freak show, born in good ole USA, U GOT A FRONT ROW SEAT!!!- GEORGE CARLIN

[row_33]

Rob’s House, from limited experience, and this is just a suggestion, a judge and jury are quick to make up their minds early on and determine who has more credibility in a dispute and once it is determined it is hard to shake it off. Settling for a lesser conviction won’t be an option if it tilts too far to the D

 

ive seen this backfire in unjust decisions to the point where even those on the D are appalled that a lesser and more reasonable charge was swept away in the tide of larger charges dismissed. 

 

people want to dismiss feelings and emotions but it is powerful to see someone with conviction stand by the feeling they were in danger. You can’t dislodge them or use logic to change them.

 

you just never know how things turn out

 

in War and Peace the top general Kutuzov plans by being confident he is ready to react to whatever he faces the next morning. The others want to plan and map out every response to any plan the enemy might throw at them.

 

it worked for him, then it didn’t, then it did in the end.

 

 

 

 

 

[boyst]

12 hours ago, Rob's House said:

I get how they didn't convict for 2nd degree murder, but I'm having a hard time understanding how he escaped manslaughter. 

 

As dumb as it was for the guy to grab his pants (and it was dumb) there's really no excuse for how the cop put him in that position in the first place.

 

I'm not big on hindsight aided judgments of someone in a split-second life or death situation, but even trying to give the cop the benefit of the doubt, I don't see how you can justify his actions.

 

Maybe Eminem will write a song about the trigger happy cop wanting to unload his gun into that guy. Probably not, because it won't convey how "woke" he is.

agree.

 

this is a case that could get real protests going.  this case was far worse than that pothead up in minnesota, or freddie gray or any of the instances of recent police brutality.  it is tied with the cop who shot the guy running away only because the cop shot in the back there.

 

of course, i'm not police trained but i can't understand why he was not able to find another method to have this guy reduced as a threat.  it was clear the guy wasn't complying.  but it was also clear that the guy was not being given easy instructions and was being yelled at vicuouisly 

[row_33]

You are right Boyz, it’s not clear. Murder convictions are serious things, especially in the line of duty and when it’s not clear....

 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

11 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

agree.

 

this is a case that could get real protests going.  this case was far worse than that pothead up in minnesota, or freddie gray or any of the instances of recent police brutality.  it is tied with the cop who shot the guy running away only because the cop shot in the back there.

 

of course, i'm not police trained but i can't understand why he was not able to find another method to have this guy reduced as a threat.  it was clear the guy wasn't complying.  but it was also clear that the guy was not being given easy instructions and was being yelled at vicuouisly 

One would think that the cop would get him standing with hands against the wall with his legs spread in preparation of handcuffing him. In that position it would seem that any threatening movements would be very clear to see. It's obvious that the cop escalated the situation by his yelling and specific words. My guess is that he was a bad cop (not corrupt) not suited for this type of work.