Paulus Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-police-involved-shooting-bodycam-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/ Really, I usually give the police the benefit of the doubt, but... If I was king of the planet, the whole police department responsible for this would join the the faux cowboys in my Unit 731 remake. Edited December 8, 2017 by Paulus
row_33 Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 But but but body cams were supposed to bring justice and truth and honesty guaranteed
Paulus Posted December 8, 2017 Author Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, row_33 said: But but but body cams were supposed to bring justice and truth and honesty guaranteed This one was bad; imagine if the victim was black. The news would have actually talked about it, as this murder* was worse than most of the ones folks rioted about. Edited December 8, 2017 by Paulus 1
row_33 Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 i sure wouldn't want the responsibility of carrying a gun as police or soldier, thank goodness it wasn't an involuntary option for us Gen X'ers
LeviF Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said: Not guilty because ................ ...because the prosecution didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed second degree murder, reckless manslaughter, or aggravated assault. There that was easy.
row_33 Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 he reached for his back pocket after explicit instruction not to do so, which he kept mouthing off at 2nd degree murder is also a heavy charge, which this case is clearly not about
Teddy KGB Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: ...because the prosecution didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed second degree murder, reckless manslaughter, or aggravated assault. There that was easy. Was this couple waving guns or just some randoms walking out of room ?
row_33 Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 The video is a part of the evidence, we won't find out what also happened. Watching the video isn't the same as being there and on a jury.
LeviF Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Air it out Fitzy said: Was this couple waving guns or just some randoms walking out of room ? They weren't waving guns, but that doesn't matter all that much. As far as whether they were "randoms walking out of room," the law says the jury doesn't get to MMQB OIS's. So it doesn't matter who they are.
Teddy KGB Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: They weren't waving guns, but that doesn't matter all that much. As far as whether they were "randoms walking out of room," the law says the jury doesn't get to MMQB OIS's. So it doesn't matter who they are. If I’m a random innocent and this cop pulls this shtick on me I might get shot too. Guy was weeping and scared shitless. seemed like he couldn’t wait to pull. Jmo Edited December 8, 2017 by Air it out Fitzy 1 1
row_33 Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 i would advise when under a threat of this kind to shut up (and i mean SHUT UP!!!!) and do what you are told. but everyone around me tells me how they mouth off to the police or customs...
CommonCents Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 Gross. The kid was clearly upset and unable to think clearly. A benefit of being a human is having a !@#$ing brain. If he wasn't so excited about the possibility of being able to pull that trigger he could have gotten the dumb ass kid away from the doorway. If he can't listen to instructions make him keep his hands face down on the floor and push forward on his head. You might be able to convince me the motion resulted to the shooting but you won't convince me that the cop didn't want to pull that trigger. 3
DC Tom Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, row_33 said: i would advise when under a threat of this kind to shut up (and i mean SHUT UP!!!!) and do what you are told. but everyone around me tells me how they mouth off to the police or customs... The kid thought he was doing what he was told. Officer said "crawl," the kid crawled. I can see why it would have been difficult to convict on murder 2 or reckless manslaughter...but that whole department should be blown up. That is either a god-awful lack of training, or god-awful training. 4 hours ago, Paulus said: This one was bad; imagine if the victim was black. The news would have actually talked about it, as this murder* was worse than most of the ones folks rioted about. Didn't you hear? All us whites are going out tonight to block traffic and burn down stores in our neighborhoods. I already have dibs on the local Williams-Sonoma...
Teddy KGB Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: Gross. The kid was clearly upset and unable to think clearly. A benefit of being a human is having a !@#$ing brain. If he wasn't so excited about the possibility of being able to pull that trigger he could have gotten the dumb ass kid away from the doorway. If he can't listen to instructions make him keep his hands face down on the floor and push forward on his head. You might be able to convince me the motion resulted to the shooting but you won't convince me that the cop didn't want to pull that trigger. They had to omit the cops bumper sticker on his gun that said “you’re !@#$ed” from the case because legal system ??♂️
DC Tom Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Air it out Fitzy said: They had to omit the cops bumper sticker on his gun that said “you’re !@#$ed” from the case because legal system ??♂️ I'm torn on that. On the one hand...the judge is right, it's prejudicial and not material to the case. On the other hand, it may just be the sort of prejudice you want to introduce in a case like this. 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 That entire department needs to be gutted. 2
CommonCents Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 His actions in the video give that first impression that engraving could have had an impact confirming what was felt. I'm not sure how far that goes with the jury but this is a trail I'd like to watch in its entirety.
row_33 Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 Depends on what the D presented that was clearly more valuable than what DA has told us to bolster her case, but that never comes out in the real world.
row_33 Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 When you work on the D you pick and pick and pick away at the evidence provided, sometimes it appears to be overwhelming but we live for these cases to see how it comes out. Getting the evidence suppressed or sealed is a major victory. And when the client is found not guilty, you just walk out of there and have a solemn press conference and move on to the next matter at hand. And sometimes completely surprise results show up that make you want to reconsider your faith in everything you held sacred....
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