Foreigner Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 Most people on this board and the media have been saying this year that TT is slowing down the Offense and is failing to move the chains, but here are the top QB passers on 3rd down in the NFL this year. Completion % Yards Passer Rating Josh McGowan 70.8 1,043 103.6 Drew Brees 67.5 859 94.2 Carson Wentz 66.4 1,043 125.7 Tyrod Taylor 65.4 707 88.0 Case Keenum 64.9 771 86.6 All of the top 5 QBs have played in 12 games I believe except Taylor who has been in just over 11(injury last week and Peterman game.) Looking at these figures, it would seem our problem is more on 1st and 2nd down, so place the blame where you wish. 1
keepthefaith Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 Show me the stats on converting a first down on 3rd down pass plays. 6 1 1
Bakin Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 I think we also lead the league in 3 and outs?? 1
Foreigner Posted December 7, 2017 Author Posted December 7, 2017 I am sure they could be found someplace, there seems to be a stat for everything now.
Shaw66 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Foreigner said: Most people on this board and the media have been saying this year that TT is slowing down the Offense and is failing to move the chains, but here are the top QB passers on 3rd down in the NFL this year. Completion % Yards Passer Rating Josh McGowan 70.8 1,043 103.6 Drew Brees 67.5 859 94.2 Carson Wentz 66.4 1,043 125.7 Tyrod Taylor 65.4 707 88.0 Case Keenum 64.9 771 86.6 All of the top 5 QBs have played in 12 games I believe except Taylor who has been in just over 11(injury last week and Peterman game.) Looking at these figures, it would seem our problem is more on 1st and 2nd down, so place the blame where you wish. League avg is 59.7 % and 81.5 rating.
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 THere are people who really don’t watch the games 1
Turk71 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 Top 5 in order of comp % ? 4 yd check downs pad that stat. How about in order of 3rd down passing conversion rate? Bet that stat tells a different story.
GoBills808 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 Completion % and passer rating are the wrong metrics to judge 'Top QBs in the NFL on 3rd Down' IMO. 2
Luka Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 This is probably the worst use of statistics I've seen yet. How many 3rd downs does he CONVERT. That's all that matters. The stats say, not too many. /thread 1
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 Quote I guess it is the pesky first downs that keep him from throwing for 100 yards 1
Foreigner Posted December 7, 2017 Author Posted December 7, 2017 One thing is we are in 3rd and long much more than we should be, and that's on the players and OC. I don't know the number of negative 1st and 2nd down runs this year, but I bet a lot. 1
GoBills808 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Luka said: This is probably the worst use of statistics I've seen yet. How many 3rd downs does he CONVERT. That's all that matters. The stats say, not too many. /thread My guess would actually be that Taylor converts passing 3rd downs at an above-average rate efficiency wise, but that his overall attempts on third down are fewer than league average.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, Bakin said: I think we also lead the league in 3 and outs?? Not sure about the total number, but we're 21st in 3 & Outs per Drive. NYG are 32nd and they have 6 more drives on the year than us.
Luka Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: My guess would actually be that Taylor converts passing 3rd downs at an above-average rate efficiency wise, but that his overall attempts on third down are fewer than league average. We are 31st in passing first downs. That's TOTAL passing first downs. So I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the passing 3rd down conversions are pretty low.
BillsFan130 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: pMost people on this board and the media have been saying this year that TT is slowing down the Offense and is failing to move the chains, but here are the top QB passers on 3rd down in the NFL this year. Completion % Yards Passer Rating Josh McGowan 70.8 1,043 103.6 Drew Brees 67.5 859 94.2 Carson Wentz 66.4 1,043 125.7 Tyrod Taylor 65.4 707 88.0 Case Keenum 64.9 771 86.6 All of the top 5 QBs have played in 12 games I believe except Taylor who has been in just over 11(injury last week and Peterman game.) Looking at these figures, it would seem our problem is more on 1st and 2nd down, so place the blame where you wish. I am not a TT hater at all, but passer rating is very negatively affected by interceptions , and as we know he doesn't throw a lot of those. TT on third and 12 will throw a dump off for 10 yards. That may look good for the passer rating, but it really isn't that effective. Passer rating also doesn't factor in sacks or scrambles. There are times where his rating should be up because he runs for first downs, but there are also times where it should be down because he will either get sacked frequently, or run out of bounds short of the first down Edited December 7, 2017 by billsfan11
Teddy KGB Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 130 yards bro. 2 home games combined. There is no silver lining. 2
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: Most people on this board and the media have been saying this year that TT is slowing down the Offense and is failing to move the chains, but here are the top QB passers on 3rd down in the NFL this year. Completion % Yards Passer Rating Josh McGowan 70.8 1,043 103.6 Drew Brees 67.5 859 94.2 Carson Wentz 66.4 1,043 125.7 Tyrod Taylor 65.4 707 88.0 Case Keenum 64.9 771 86.6 All of the top 5 QBs have played in 12 games I believe except Taylor who has been in just over 11(injury last week and Peterman game.) Looking at these figures, it would seem our problem is more on 1st and 2nd down, so place the blame where you wish. Yet we see the Bills go 3 and out how many times? How does anyone justify that? 37 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Not sure about the total number, but we're 21st in 3 & Outs per Drive. NYG are 32nd and they have 6 more drives on the year than us. But the previous poster indicated how Great Taylor is on third down passing. Why dont we pass more then?
Bing Bong Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 Dang, he also scrambles for a 1st often too. Could probably rate him even higher based on that. Josh McCown has been very underrated the last few years. Too bad we never got him when we pushed for him.
Bing Bong Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Luka said: We are 31st in passing first downs. That's TOTAL passing first downs. So I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the passing 3rd down conversions are pretty low. we always run those damn draw plays on 3rd and long. I mean this graphic says nothing about actually getting first downs. Defenses will give Tyrod a completion for 10 if it's 3rd and 12. Edited December 8, 2017 by PetermanThrew5Picks
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 He’s up there with some of the other greats like McCown and Keenum. ?
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