Kirby Jackson Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 For me I am doing both, along with WR, and the front 7 on defense. The draft has to start with getting one of those top QBs regardless of the cost. With SF, Indy and Chicago up there you will have some partners potentially. Those teams will pick high, won’t pick QB and need quantity as their rosters aren’t good. The Bills will have tons of money in FA. I’d like to see something like Lotulelei, Norwell, Paul Richardson and Bradham. That gives them 3/4 starters. In the draft they can get another DL, LB and RB. You will need another CB too IMO and keep Gaines. 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Say we dump TT and draft a QB very high pick 1 - 4. What do you do next season? Start Nate, or Joe? Or do you throw the 1st round rookie into the frying pan? They are going to be playing the rookie early.
Bangarang Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Say we dump TT and draft a QB very high pick 1 - 4. What do you do next season? Start Nate, or Joe? Or do you throw the 1st round rookie into the frying pan? You have a competition and see who wins
LABILLBACKER Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 If this qb draft class is robust, which most say it is, then you make every effort at every cost to get your guy. Love Darnold but we still don't know his status. Rudolph and Mayfield are also strong considerations. And there's still a slight chance the Bills might court Cousins. We're getting a qb this year and I've never been more certain. And yes we'll need to upgrade our oline this year too. McD may not get as many defensive players as he would like. Must replace Dennison!
Fan in Chicago Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 58 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? No debate - if there is QB you like, take him. Forget every other pressing need. 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Say we dump TT and draft a QB very high pick 1 - 4. What do you do next season? Start Nate, or Joe? Or do you throw the 1st round rookie into the frying pan? Play whoever wins the battle in training camp. There should be no annointed started going into TC
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 58 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? If the right QB is there you take him. If you fail to land the guy you want start building those lines. I know people say you can get lineman later in the draft but that hasn't really worked well for us in the past. I don't want another Koujo, John Miller (who I think NEEDS to be on the field the rest of the way).
K-9 Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 Fixing a team is never a linear process. If there's a blue chip QB available vs. a blue chip OLman, take the QB if you don't already have one. If it's a choice between a blue chip OLman and an average QB, take the OLman. This team needs great players, regardless of position. Playmaker is ALWAYS a position of need.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, Bangarang said: You have a competition and see who wins Agreed. McD was hesitant to start Nate "too soon". Will that mindset change at the beginning of 18?
teef Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 if this team doesn't go all in at a rb in the first, i'm coming out swinging. 1 2
Maine-iac Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 I know it's not a choice but I'd like to nominate WR here. You want to throw quick slants? You want to back them out of the box? We have no one that scares anybody and worse when the QB's we do have, Peterman or Taylor, hit them they drop way too many passes. A better line would be great and I can't argue with a better QB but I really think an upgrade at WR would make a big difference. I mean a real game changer like Jones or Green or Hopkins.
1billsfan Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 The only answer is QB, and the two part plan should look like this... Plan A: if you aren't sure about any of the QBs, wait till your first pick and pick the one that's still there and that you like best (having two first rounders is like having a free pick to take a shot at a QB) Plan B: if you're very sure about one or two of the QBs, do what it takes to get him 1
Albwan Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 Cannot have any more home games with 60 yds of passing, I know we need to tip toe around the issue, but really in the modern age of a passing NFL, c'mon now.
Alphadawg7 Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? A good OL can make a decent QB good...just like a good QB can make up for a weak OL. It can go either way really. I will say that a bad OL can make developing a young QB much harder. For instance, look at Peterman. He is utterly atrocious under pressure, not surprising as a rookie with very little field time. If the OL could actually give him time, he could make more accurate and confident reads giving him a much better chance at success and reduce his pace of 10 interceptions per full game lol. On the other hand, a good QB who is comfortable under pressure and gets the ball out fast can over come a weak OL. In an extreme example (in terms of QB talent), Aaron Rogers is a good example. He is an Elite QB who has had tremendous success behind whats has been mostly a poor OL during his tenure in GB. If I am a team, I much prefer to DEVELOP a young QB behind at least a decent to solid OL, if not good. But thats not always how it works. With QB prospects, you have to grab the right one when you can and don't always have the luxury of building a good OL first. So, I would say you go GET the QB when the right one you want is there regardless. I wouldn't pass up the right QB prospect to get an OL prospect.
kevnallen Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 If you see a franchise QB, grab him. Franchise QBs are very hard to find. If the QB isn’t likely a franchise play, go with the best player available 1
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 I say we pull a Houston and draft our QB (Ala Deshaun Watson) but let our backup start the year until we think he's ready, more than likely Peterman playing the part of the (Tom Savage). That way not throwing him into the fire right away. Go hard after a QB that you believe in and build up our oline later in the draft.
macaroni Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 IMHO ..... I think we could do both. I do believe we could get Mayfield, Falk, or Thorson with our second 1st round pick (maybe even our second round pick ... but I'd be chicken to wait that long) .... or even lower we could get Ferguson or Benkert with our second 2nd round pick. I think trading up to get one of the top 2 QBs would be too costly, and our team is being built so that we just need an OK QB, not necessarily a GREAT QB. We need to use as many picks as we can for linemen (both offense and defense), Wide Receivers, Line Backers, and a Running Back. Of course that's not to say if the QB that we REALLY covet drops down to our first pick that we shouldn't pull the trigger. 1
RyanC883 Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 If it's a franchise QB, then QB. If not, then OL (actually I'd go DT this year). Our OL is good enough with a proper OC for a rookie franchise QB to be successful.
Scott7975 Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Say we dump TT and draft a QB very high pick 1 - 4. What do you do next season? Start Nate, or Joe? Or do you throw the 1st round rookie into the frying pan? Frying pan. They still should be able to upgrade the Oline.
Utah John Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Look honestly at the O line. Glenn is talented but can't get healthy. We're carrying a huge salary and a roster spot for a guy who's seldom playing. Incognito is still making plays but is also getting stacked up a lot. Age? He'll be old next year or the year after. Wood. Already almost old. Duciller -- either one is bad. I don't know why Ducasse plays while Miller sits, since Miller was showing signs of progress, but maybe Miller misses last year's O line coach. Mills -- I think all the left DEs in football are bribing the Bills FO to keep Mills on the line so they can improve their sack stats. There's no other explanation. We have Dion Dawkins playing quite well, and Roy who has played well when given a chance. Overall, as I've posted before, the Bills O line resembles the starboard side of the Titanic's hull while it was still taking on water. Next year, the entire O could resemble the current Titanic. Now, how many rookie O linemen can you reasonably bring in at once? I think two, max. Cut Glenn, play Dawkins, Incognito, Woods, Groy, and a rookie RT, and keep Miller and a rookie interior lineman as backups. That rookie could be playing center or guard before the year is out. It would be nice to draft another stud O lineman but there won't be room on the active roster and you can't park someone good on the taxi squad. So that's two draft picks, probably rounds 2 or 3, on O linemen. I think we could do that and still make a deal to move up and get a QB. And then try to improve the D line in FA, draft a LB and draft a fast WR. Edited December 6, 2017 by Utah John
VirginiaMike Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 I'm an advocate of getting the O-Line right, because an average QB can look good with the right O-Line, but it's really hard for a good QB to look great when running for his life. That said, for the Bills, if the right QB is available (by the Bills evaluation) then they should never pass him up.
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