Shaq Lawson and Jordan Matthews to IR

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, vincec said:

So out of the 20 players you listed, there are 7 starters, 6 backups and 2 practice squad players. So 15 out of 20 made an NFL roster and half are heavy contributors. Yeah, that really stinks.

 

 

You're a twat.

 

How many of those are quality contributors?

 

Shaq Lawson, BUST.

Ragland, who knows what he'll be

Uncle Adolphus, tell me you're on board with his body of work?

Cardale Jones THIRD STRINGER

Ronald Darby, this guy I actually liked

John miller, an enigma

Sammy watkins, overpaid, overdrafted and overrated

Kouandijo, AWFUL

Preston Brown, buttery soft and gutless

Again, people need to be honest with themselves.

 

I will, however concede this point to the Whaley lovers: he was a much better evaluator of pro talent than college talent, and did manage some decent FA signings.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2017 by joesixpack

[Rico]

40 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

let's start from his most recent draft and work back. You tell me who's talented:

 

Shaq Lawson

Reggie Ragland

Adolphus Washington

Cardale Jones

Jonathan williams

Kolby listenbee

Kevon Seymour

 

Ronald Darby

John Miller

Karlos Williams

Tony Steward

Nick o leary

Dezmin lewis

 

Sammy watkins

Cyrus Kouandijo

Preston Brown

Ross Cockrell

Cyril richardson

Randell Johnson

Seantrel Henderson

 

 

I've said it before & I'll say it again, Nick O'Leary is a decent back-up TE.

[BringBackOrton]

39 minutes ago, vincec said:

So out of the 20 players you listed, there are 7 starters, 6 backups and 2 practice squad players. So 15 out of 20 made an NFL roster and half are heavy contributors. Yeah, that really stinks.

This number dwindles every year....because the players suck.

 

Goodwin is a starter on a horrible team.  He couldn't even start here.  

 

They will die out, like every draft class has before them.  2014 was all "We got 2 good starters in Watkins and Brown, and great backups in Kujo, Cockrell, Cyril Richardson, and Randall Johnson!  We hit on every pick!" Then the attrition happens.  Brown plays like ****.  Cockrell, Kujo, Richardson and Johnson get cut and bounced around over the next two years. Suddenly it's just Sammy, and he's traded away for relative peanuts.

 

Doug Whaley has never drafted a player who has made a Pro Bowl.  Absolutely damning stat, with the Pro Bowl being the sign of "had a pretty good season" these days.  

Edited December 6, 2017 by jmc12290

[BigDingus]

12 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

This number dwindles every year....because the players suck.

 

Goodwin is a starter on a horrible team.  He couldn't even start here.  

 

They will die out, like every draft class has before them.  2014 was all "We got 2 good starters in Watkins and Brown, and great backups in Kujo, Cockrell, Cyril Richardson, and Randall Johnson!  We hit on every pick!" Then the attrition happens.  Brown plays like ****.  Cockrell, Kujo, Richardson and Johnson get cut and bounced around over the next two years. Suddenly it's just Sammy, and he's traded away for relative peanuts.

 

Doug Whaley has never drafted a player who has made a Pro Bowl.  Absolutely damning stat, with the Pro Bowl being the sign of "had a pretty good season" these days.  

^This 100%

 

Every year that goes by, the drafts look worse & worse as more players wash out of the league or end up further down the depth chart. The team is already souring on Washington, so look for him to begin that slide soon. Cyrus Kouandijo won't be in the league in another year or so either. Kevon Seymour has 16 tackles & 3 defended passes on the year, with goose eggs across the board elsewhere. Expect him to be training camp depth next year, then cut. Crockell is not a starter, he's a 2nd string CB & 3rd on the depth chart for the Giants (behind Brandon Dixon & Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie). 

So yes, for starters we have some players from last year's draft as starters, a few backups, and 3rd stringers or practice squad players. By next year there will be even less. These drafts have been total busts.

[simool]

Watkins elite talent, game changer.... FFS

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, simool said:

Watkins elite talent, game changer.... FFS

 

 

 

Lol right? People need cranio-rectal extractions.

[BigDingus]

4 minutes ago, simool said:

Watkins elite talent, game changer.... FFS

 

 

 

"Dominant" is a word being thrown around easily these days... I guess Tyrod Taylor is "dominant" too... I mean Sammy has games where he goes for 67 yards, just like Tyrod does!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Lol right? People need cranio-rectal extractions.

 

....would that be dentistry?............

[3rdand12]

preston brown has 3 years running with 100 tackles plus. if this was a safety i would be unhappy. But from him?

 Not bad.

 and yes i watch the games and seen the bad ones. underrated 

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....would that be dentistry?............

no. more like an extrusion.

[26CornerBlitz]

15 minutes ago, simool said:

Watkins elite talent, game changer.... FFS

 

 

 

 

Leads the teams with 17 YPC and 6 TD Receptions (4 TDs in the last 5 games). Has generated 27 first downs on his 31 receptions in only 51 targets all while drawing the opponents' best cover corner game every game often with Safety help over the top.  Meanwhile, let's take a comparative look at the Bills' Receiving Corps AKA Corpse.   

 

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Leads the teams with 17 YPC and 6 TD Receptions (4 TDs in the last 5 games). Has generated 27 first downs on his 31 receptions in only 51 targets all while drawing the opponents' best cover corner game every game often with Safety help over the top.  Meanwhile, let's take a comparative look at the Bills' Receiving Corps AKA Corpse.   

 

 

 

We don't have Goff.

 

Ask Kelvin if that's made a difference in his numbers.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

We don't have Goff.

 

Ask Kelvin if that's made a difference in his numbers.

 

Watkins numbers were fine in 2015 in Buffalo.  We can ask Kelvin something when he's healthy and playing. 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Watkins numbers were fine in 2015 in Buffalo.  We can ask Kelvin something when he's healthy and playing. 

What were Matthews' numbers in 2016?  What changed?

[CommonCents]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

 

You're a twat.

 

How many of those are quality contributors?

 

Shaq Lawson, BUST.

Ragland, who knows what he'll be

Uncle Adolphus, tell me you're on board with his body of work?

Cardale Jones THIRD STRINGER

Ronald Darby, this guy I actually liked

John miller, an enigma

Sammy watkins, overpaid, overdrafted and overrated

Kouandijo, AWFUL

Preston Brown, buttery soft and gutless

Again, people need to be honest with themselves.

 

I will, however concede this point to the Whaley lovers: he was a much better evaluator of pro talent than college talent, and did manage some decent FA signings.

 

 

Take it easy on Preston Brown, he is having a rough week in those panties.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

What were Matthews' numbers in 2016?  What changed?

 

No better players around him to draw coverage and the inability to stay healthy.  He's the personification of JAG which is exactly why the Eagles acquired Jeffery and Smith who replaced him as upgrades. BTW, here are the Bills' receiving numbers from 2015 with a mostly healthy Watkins and Taylor:

 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No better players around him to draw coverage and the inability to stay healthy.  He's the personification of JAG which is exactly why the Eagles acquired Jeffery and Smith who replaced him as upgrades. BTW, here are the Bills' receiving numbers from 2015 with a mostly healthy Watkins and Taylor:

 

Look at how much better Woods is doing in LA this year compared to 2015.  What happened?

 

What better players drew coverage from Matthews in 2016?

Edited December 6, 2017 by jmc12290

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

Look at how much better Woods is doing in LA this year compared to 2015.  What happened?

 

Sean McVay happened.  

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Sean McVay happened.  

And Sammy didn't see that benefit because?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, jmc12290 said:

And Sammy didn't see that benefit because?

 

Stop asking questions and provide some answers man.  BTW, Trevor Siemian. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Stop asking questions and provide some answers man.  BTW, Trevor Siemian. 

 

Just now, ScottLaw said:

?

 

Matthews isn't in the same ballpark as Sammy. It's not even close.

It's weird.

 

Jordan Matthews was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Marquise Goodwin was better after he left the Bills.

 

Robert Woods was better after he left the Bills.

 

Chris Hogan was better after he left the Bills.

 

Kelvin Benjamin was better before he became a Bills WR.

 

Anyone know if that has to do with the QB's these guys were playing with on different teams?  Is there a common thread anyone can see here?  Bueller?  Bueller?